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The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:27 AM Apr 2020

A Brief Note On The Term 'Neo-Liberal'....

There are historical roots which need untangling to discern the actual meaning of this term, as well as the usage it is often put to nowadays in political disputation, in which it is often employed to convey a meaning that is false to fact.

In Europe early in the nineteenth century, aristocratic and feudal hold-overs were still a feature of most societies. The mercantilist economic view, which held that every country should be self-sufficient in money, and was weakened to the degree it could not manage this, was still predominant thought influencing government and business policy. In this milieu, political parties seeking relief from anachronism, and a freeing up of business and trade from both feudal and mercantile restrictions, arose. They called themselves Liberals, or even Radicals, and did more or less advocate for Capitalism, as opposed to Feudalism and autocratic control. Often, but not always, their platforms included greater freedom of political speech and artistic endeavor, and more modern social behaviors. A feature odd by modern lights is that army officers often adhered to these Liberal or Radical parties, for they saw modernizing society could enhance a nation's military power.

Once Socialist, and even Anarchist thought became a feature of European politics, these parties advocating for Capitalism and social reforms ceased to be the cutting edge of opposition to the old order. Soon enough in most countries, the old conservative parties made their peace with Capitalism, while generally still favoring traditional behaviors and arrangements otherwise. The surviving Liberal parties opposed Socialism, but often did tend towards social reforms seen as improving the lot of the poor (which at the time was most if not all of the working people). The Progressive movement in the United States early in the twentieth century, which arose in the Republican Party, is one example of this, as is the old Liberal Party in England, which fostered the formation of the Labour Party, an explicitly Socialist body there.

In places where political and social life did not advance much in the early twentieth century, what survived of Liberal or Radical parties remained, and the labels retained their original meanings. Spain is one example. During the Spanish Republic, Liberal and Radical parties, though small indeed, ranged themselves with larger rightist parties, whether of traditionalist or modernizing ilk, for these parties were certainly opposed to Anarchism and Socialism, which were predominant on the left of Spanish politics during the brief Republic. Latin American politics had similar features, so did the politics of Central Europe.

In the West, including the United States, the term Liberal came to mean during the twentieth century a political tendency desiring relief from traditional constraints on behavior, on mores and artistic expression, combined with improvement of the living standards of poor and working people, but without any great re-working of economic arrangements. Liberals remained loyal to Capitalism, but desired it be regulated, and restrained from its worst excesses. Once Soviet totalitarianism had done its unfortunate work in discrediting Socialism as a viable political force for the supplanting of Capitalism, the reforming and regulating and modernizing program of Liberalism became the chief tendency on the left of our politics.

The intent and distortion behind much use of the term 'neo-liberal' should be apparent from the above. It is a claim there is really no difference between a Liberal today and a Liberal circa 1840 in France, or circa 1935 in Spain. This is nonesense. The older parties sought to establish Capitalism against autocratic and feudal opposition. The modern Liberal seeks to regulate and restrain Capitalism, and some do, where it seems possible, seek to use the mechanisms of Capitalism to achieve these ends, by manipulating markets and taxes to favor reforms they desire. The term 'neo-liberal' attempts to cast such policies as a throwback to the original meanings and intentions of those so labeled, and so to suggest that Liberalism, which actually does constitute by far the strongest tendency on the left of our politics, is really not of the left at all, but part and parcel of the right.

The change over time of the meaning conveyed by 'liberal' blurs the question enough for people to perhaps imagine themselves being honest when they make the charge. Though it is obvious to anyone aware of the background that the term properly applies only to the 'free-marketeers' and Randites and such, who are the real present day heirs of the old European Liberal parties, and range themselves, just as did their late survivals in Spain, alongside the christo-fascist right.


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

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A Brief Note On The Term 'Neo-Liberal'.... (Original Post) The Magistrate Apr 2020 OP
If Biden, Obama and the Clintons are neoliberals comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #1
Indeed, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #5
Brief? marybourg Apr 2020 #2
Yes, brief. Get used to reading even longer forms and you can learn something. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #4
Thank You, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #6
Thank you for your presumptuous, marybourg Apr 2020 #8
If Your Comment Was A Sarcasm, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #10
My response was not directed at you. marybourg Apr 2020 #11
I Took It The Same Way He Did, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #12
I responded to exactly what you wrote. I made no claim about your habits or experience. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #14
I'll be brief... Locrian Apr 2020 #18
Yeah, probably. But I did nothing more than marybourg Apr 2020 #19
THIS malaise Apr 2020 #3
Thank You, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #7
Glad to see this as a standalone OP! NurseJackie Apr 2020 #9
Thank You, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #13
Is this going to be on the midterm? grantcart Apr 2020 #15
So Long As Term Is Slanged About the Way It Is At Present, Sir --- Yes, Yes It Is The Magistrate Apr 2020 #16
I Do Not Often Simply 'Kick' My Own Pieces The Magistrate Apr 2020 #17

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
5. Indeed, Sir
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:07 PM
Apr 2020

There are some words which tell you more about the person using them than the person they are applied to. The word 'terrorism' is an example. Its actual meaning in almost all instances is 'Violence towards a political end of which the speaker disapproves'. Usage of the word tells you much about the person using it, but almost nothing about the matter he or she purports to describe. The usage 'neo-liberal' another such word. As commonly used in political disputation today, its meaning is 'The speaker is far more to the left than the political figure or trend he or she wishes to portray as right wing regardless of the actual political climate."


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
4. Yes, brief. Get used to reading even longer forms and you can learn something.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:02 PM
Apr 2020

"Any philosophy that can be put in a nutshell belongs there."
-- Sydney J. Harris

There is so much incredible depth to the human experience, so much more than can fit into a tweet or a twitter thread or a few minutes video.

If you read the front page of a newspaper like WSJ or NYT, it would consume most of a 20 minute video. Yet so many people seem unable to handle even a three minute video on some topic. Unless the speaker has a cat on their head or has high production values graphics and special effects.

That is without getting into the difficulty they have handling a page or two of text. Textbooks are lost to them, it seems.

Videos are so time consuming. They are great for repairing a lawn mower, perhaps.

Yes, brief. If the OP had more time he might have been able to make it briefer, but I speculate that he/she spent that time reading and thinking. I urge you to do the same.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
6. Thank You, Sir
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:12 PM
Apr 2020

I was about to post that, by compare to the size of the subject, it was more than brief, it was brutally compressed.

This was originally a tossed off comment late last night, where someone had asked what the hell 'neo-liberal' meant, anyway. He was responding to an article in 'Jacobin', and I was moved to give his question some answer. I thought on reflection it was worth standing alone, and polished it up a bit this morning.

I see, by the way, you are familiar with Mr. Wilde:

"I apologize for the length of this letter, but I hadn't time to write a short one."



"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
8. Thank you for your presumptuous,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:01 PM
Apr 2020

didactic, and thoroughly risible critique of my reading habits and experiences, and for the advice on remedying my obvious deficiencies of mind. It gave me a welcome chuckle on an otherwise dreary pandemic morning.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
10. If Your Comment Was A Sarcasm, Ma'am
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:06 PM
Apr 2020

I regret not having taken your meaning, and apologize for any offense I gave.

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
11. My response was not directed at you.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:16 PM
Apr 2020

It did appear just below your response, but was directed at the same poster you responded to, although with diametrically opposite intent. I was impressed, however by your willingness to apologize just in case you had caused offense.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
12. I Took It The Same Way He Did, Ma'am
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:20 PM
Apr 2020

And endorsed his comment.

By my standards, and by the nature of the subject, I do consider the 'note' a brief one. I try to be as concise and readable as I can manage when attempting to convey information. However I enjoy the sound and rhythm of the language....

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
14. I responded to exactly what you wrote. I made no claim about your habits or experience.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 02:26 PM
Apr 2020

That you recognized yourself in it is on you.

The first "you" I used was generic, broad.

The second "you" I used, at the very end, was specific, but if you think reading and thinking are "risible", so be it. There was no claim that you don't read or think.

If you want to be understood, then don't be brief to the point of absurd terseness, as in using a single word. That is why people like The Magistrate take time to write what you consider to be non-brief pieces.

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
19. Yeah, probably. But I did nothing more than
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:07 PM
Apr 2020

half humorously question whether a 5 paragraph-long definition is properly called “brief”. I hadn’t even addressed the content. And that precipitated an attack on my reading habits, intellectual fortitude and strength of character. Yeah, so pedantic drivel is probably part of the package.

malaise

(268,976 posts)
3. THIS
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:20 AM
Apr 2020

the term properly applies only to the 'free-marketeers' and Randites and such, who are the real present day heirs of the old European Liberal parties, and range themselves, just as did their late survivals in Spain, alongside the christo-fascist right.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
7. Thank You, Ma'am
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:50 PM
Apr 2020

That is the actual meaning of the term, as opposed to what is intended by those who sling it about as a term of abuse, one which conveys far more about themselves than it does about the people they seek to apply it to.


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
13. Thank You, Ma'am
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:49 PM
Apr 2020

It is something people ought to know that some may not.

I detest deliberate distortions of meaning, which depend on popular ignorance for any effect they may have.


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
16. So Long As Term Is Slanged About the Way It Is At Present, Sir --- Yes, Yes It Is
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 03:00 PM
Apr 2020

It is a good idea to know 'the rest of the story' when people try and pretend everything more towards the center than themselves are dyed in the wool right-wingers, and not only make a term to press the claim, but fail to use it against the tendencies it actually describes.



"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

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