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Initech

(100,075 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:47 PM Apr 2020

Fox News and Trump are playing with fire.

Last edited Fri Apr 17, 2020, 01:53 AM - Edit history (4)

Take it from someone who's survived multiple California fires. Hell, I even saw my neighbor's house burn to the ground on national television. My own house was in that path. We got spared. We were one of the lucky ones. But I know people in my neighborhood who've been here since that big fire that weren't so lucky. Hell, to this day we're still finding remnants of that fire even 12 years later.

Fire is something you don't want to play with. And COVID-19 is that kind of fire. Sure, you can talk numbers and statistics all you want right now. And yeah even the most hardcore MAGAs will tell you that 2% is 2%. But it isn't. If you're in a neighborhood, and there's 140 houses, and 2% of them burn, you're talking 3 houses. But those three houses alone could easily do some untold damage because of the people affected. Now let's do some math. Say that fire skips and jumps around. Those those 3 houses could easily turn into 30. Which could easily turn into 50 or 60. And up and up.

By egging on the MAGAs to protest social distancing? Guess what? They're really playing with fire. And this isn't a mere stove blows up in your face kind of fire. This is a fire that is under heavy winds and dry brush that could easily spread and burn the whole forest down. You might be spared now, but this has a ripple effect that will last for years and decades even.

Fox News and Trump think that the virus is a game? It is not something to fuck with. By any stretch of the imagination. When they egg on their supporters to screw up the social distancing and anti-COVID measures that we've already been through? They just lit the match and that will cause a fast burning fire that won't go out. Which means that all the progress we've made so far will be completely undone and for nothing.

When their supporters block hospitals, think of that like blocking the entrance to a fire station. You really don't want to do that. And if you get this wretched virus, you won't be able to go back to your house or go fishing. It will have already burned. This is some seriously dangerous territory they are treading. Believe me, leaving your house not knowing if you'll ever come back to it is one of the worst possible feelings in the entire world.

And if the whole block goes up in flames or we all get the virus? Guess what? We won't be able to go back to "normal" for a very long time. Either you put up with the lockdowns or shut the fuck up. I don't like these lockdowns or social distancing one bit. Nobody does. But the more we abide by them the sooner we go back to normal. Let's think about the consequences of those actions. So either put it out now while you still can, or watch it burn uncontrollably with no hope of ever extinguishing the fire.

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Fox News and Trump are playing with fire. (Original Post) Initech Apr 2020 OP
K&R Blue Owl Apr 2020 #1
There is a reckoning coming. gordianot Apr 2020 #2
Trump is burning down the house. If he can't have it, nobody can. nt crickets Apr 2020 #4
Brilliant analogy. liberalmuse Apr 2020 #3
To quote Alfred Pennyworth: Initech Apr 2020 #20
Trump and team are goiving all the responsibility to governors, iemitsu Apr 2020 #5
And then when the governors actually need help, Trump yanks the rug out. Initech Apr 2020 #12
That is what is happening. iemitsu Apr 2020 #26
Oh snap! That's exactly what he's doing. He's not just setting up fall people, he's doing KPN Apr 2020 #29
All those people at those anti shelter in place rallies are out of central casting for MF45 rallies kimbutgar Apr 2020 #31
K and R Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #6
Indeed. Within days some cities may have armed white gangs running wild in the streets in pickups Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #7
Are Magats blocking hospitals now? Where? Ilsa Apr 2020 #8
Michigan. Read whole thread, esp Brian Williams' hospital worker clip. Hekate Apr 2020 #35
Okay, you mean Reply #10. Ilsa Apr 2020 #38
Yes, I know, but thought I'd respond to your question, flagging it for your later attention. Hekate Apr 2020 #39
No, not at all. I shut everything down and Ilsa Apr 2020 #40
These imbeciles have gone way beyond their usual political trolling, this is outright sabotage, sop Apr 2020 #9
Sabotage? I'd say this is terrorism. Initech Apr 2020 #14
Betsy DeVos' family supports the RW groups that sponsored this event. NoRoadUntravelled Apr 2020 #10
They need to send out a SWAT team and deal with these people. Crunchy Frog Apr 2020 #21
K&R yonder Apr 2020 #11
They need to be arrested if they're blocking hospitals. Crunchy Frog Apr 2020 #13
K&R spanone Apr 2020 #15
Yet Windy City Charlie Apr 2020 #16
Oh yeah they definitely have that kind of selfishness and arrogance on display right now. Initech Apr 2020 #18
If I get COVID-19 and deliberately cough in the face of the president, what happens to me? Orrex Apr 2020 #17
Recommended, the ones doing the egging are the most evil, IMO. Baked Potato Apr 2020 #19
I'm pretty sure the elite and concierge served Americans get what they desire. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2020 #22
CA and NY need to pull federal tax revenue from COVID-45. roamer65 Apr 2020 #23
They are playing with people's lives... kentuck Apr 2020 #24
Remember when Trump asked about letting... TXPaganBanker Apr 2020 #25
Actually, it is more likely that they are "figuratively" rather than "literally" playing with fire, Sloumeau Apr 2020 #27
I... I could set the building on fire! Initech Apr 2020 #28
Block a hospital and ambulance and you should be arrested and jailed. TeamPooka Apr 2020 #30
This will be the deplorable mantra going forward... MontanaMama Apr 2020 #32
Reminds me of the Futurama episode where they go to war with a mysterious planet.. Initech Apr 2020 #36
How many of that 2-3% will be frontline healthcare workers? meadowlander Apr 2020 #33
Excellent analogy. KnR Hekate Apr 2020 #34
The Behavior that I saw Today From Various States Should be Considered an Act of Terrorism n/t OhioChick Apr 2020 #37

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
2. There is a reckoning coming.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:54 PM
Apr 2020

Not a revolution, not a civil war, still something really ugly out of control and massive.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
3. Brilliant analogy.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:56 PM
Apr 2020

Last edited Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:38 PM - Edit history (1)

And the truth!

Edit: when you misspell "brilliant", you have to fix it!

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
5. Trump and team are goiving all the responsibility to governors,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:58 PM
Apr 2020

and then sponsoring protests against governors , who are doing what's right.
He think it is a masterful manipulation of the circumstances.
Deny help to governors and then blame them for failing to safely open their states for business.
I hope he and his enablers rot in Hell.

Initech

(100,075 posts)
12. And then when the governors actually need help, Trump yanks the rug out.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:06 PM
Apr 2020

He's an absolute psychopath.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
29. Oh snap! That's exactly what he's doing. He's not just setting up fall people, he's doing
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:05 AM
Apr 2020

everything he can to make sure they fall. It's not just diversion, it's lighting a fire to create diversion. The man is pure evil.

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
31. All those people at those anti shelter in place rallies are out of central casting for MF45 rallies
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:09 AM
Apr 2020

Bet they are either paid or on the same email list.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
7. Indeed. Within days some cities may have armed white gangs running wild in the streets in pickups
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:01 PM
Apr 2020

That's when Stay At Home becomes Shelter In Place.

Stock up on food and supplies in areas where it might become difficult to go out for days at a stretch.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
8. Are Magats blocking hospitals now? Where?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:02 PM
Apr 2020

Can't they be arrested for blocking passage of staff or persons seeking help?

Hekate

(90,683 posts)
39. Yes, I know, but thought I'd respond to your question, flagging it for your later attention.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 11:25 AM
Apr 2020

Hope it wasn't too annoying.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
40. No, not at all. I shut everything down and
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:41 PM
Apr 2020

got in bed with a book early enough last night that I figured I missed some news online or TV. I usually check DU late, but I didn't know about that criminal traffic jam.

sop

(10,177 posts)
9. These imbeciles have gone way beyond their usual political trolling, this is outright sabotage,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:02 PM
Apr 2020

and it's going to cost lives.

Initech

(100,075 posts)
14. Sabotage? I'd say this is terrorism.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:08 PM
Apr 2020

Especially right now when everyone has the potential be a walking biohazard.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
10. Betsy DeVos' family supports the RW groups that sponsored this event.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:02 PM
Apr 2020

"Operation Gridlock"...organized by the Michigan Conservation Coalition and the Michigan Freedom Fund, a DeVos family-linked conservative group.


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Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
13. They need to be arrested if they're blocking hospitals.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:07 PM
Apr 2020

That's not free speech, it's endangering lives.

Windy City Charlie

(1,178 posts)
16. Yet
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:19 PM
Apr 2020

Yet when one of them gets infected they'll expect to be moved to the front of the line for health care at the very hospitals they're blocking. Too many of them I believe are taking it for granted that if they do get infected, that they'll have no problem getting treated.

Initech

(100,075 posts)
18. Oh yeah they definitely have that kind of selfishness and arrogance on display right now.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:20 PM
Apr 2020

"ME! ME! ME! MINE! MINE! MINE!" It's their mantra and also the mantra of that disgusting pig called president.

Orrex

(63,210 posts)
17. If I get COVID-19 and deliberately cough in the face of the president, what happens to me?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:20 PM
Apr 2020

That same thing should happen to each and every one of these protesters.

They are bioterrorists, and they must be treated as such.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
19. Recommended, the ones doing the egging are the most evil, IMO.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:22 PM
Apr 2020

They are largely educated and have money. They know they are playing with the fire, but go on anyway.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
22. I'm pretty sure the elite and concierge served Americans get what they desire.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:23 PM
Apr 2020

That includes treatments, tests and immune boosters like gamaglobilin. Gamaglobilin virtually disappeared from doctors' offices with Desert Storm. I used to get a shot for flu season and the last time was 1991.

If anybody finds it, I would doubt its potency or suspect it being counterfeit.

And on top of that, I believe Fox and the White House are performing a genocide of our African American citizens.

Crimes that may or may not put them all on trial. If they win with all their right wing judges, there is no safe place for a liberal in America. Their vilification of their perceived enemies will be the end of us.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
24. They are playing with people's lives...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:26 PM
Apr 2020

They are betting that people will not die if they open up the economy right now. They do not believe they can win the next election unless they get the economy going again ...and quickly.

In fact, most of the jobs should be ready to pick back up if they would do the testing. But they are gambling that everything will be OK without any testing. They are standing people up in front of the bullets of this virus. They are betting people's lives that they can win.

TXPaganBanker

(210 posts)
25. Remember when Trump asked about letting...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:31 PM
Apr 2020

the virus just "wash over" America?

Having his cult congregate unprotected in areas, without PPE or thought of social distancing is a great way to get it started. He could literally be using his followers to spread the virus to try to build herd immunity. The fact that he's been told that it wouldn't be effective and may kill 2-3% of the population wouldn't be a hang up to him; he's got the thought in his mind.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
27. Actually, it is more likely that they are "figuratively" rather than "literally" playing with fire,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:43 PM
Apr 2020

but I understand your meaning. Oh, and I want my red stapler back.

MontanaMama

(23,314 posts)
32. This will be the deplorable mantra going forward...
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:20 AM
Apr 2020

Elitists who want to stay healthy at the expense of their ‘Murica...I can see it now.

Initech

(100,075 posts)
36. Reminds me of the Futurama episode where they go to war with a mysterious planet..
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 01:59 AM
Apr 2020

And Zapp Branagin tells the crew the reason they are going to war is because the other side said "They look like dorks!!!". That's kind of what this is starting to feel like.

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
33. How many of that 2-3% will be frontline healthcare workers?
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:25 AM
Apr 2020

How many years of training and on-the-job experience is it going to take to replace them?

And it only stays at 2-3% if the healthcare system doesn't get overwhelmed. The simple math is that if 500,000 people need ventilators at the same time and there are only 100,000 ventilators then 400,000 people are shit out of luck and are going to die (along with probably 80,000 of the people who did get ventilators because only 20% of people put on them come off them alive).

Start losing health care workers to quarantine or death because of exposure and you end up with cascading failure.

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