Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:50 PM

Goodheart (4,595 posts)

Honestly, it takes an IDIOT to think 360,000 Americans die each year in swimming pools

How did that idiot ever garner such a following?

10 replies, 908 views

Thread info Bookmark this thread Trash this thread

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum

Replies to this discussion thread

10 replies	Author	Time	Post
Honestly, it takes an IDIOT to think 360,000 Americans die each year in swimming pools (Original post)	Goodheart	Apr 2020	OP
idiots like other idiots	Voltaire2	Apr 2020	#1
Fox had those two idiots on because they knew beforehand that each would downplay this crisis	Goodheart	Apr 2020	#4
Only if those pools are Philled	Blue Owl	Apr 2020	#2
How big is that pool? eom	guillaumeb	Apr 2020	#3
Someone should introduce the doctor to Google	PBC_Democrat	Apr 2020	#5
Gunlovers always make arguments like that, and they don't care about the facts	dawg day	Apr 2020	#6
That's 986/day. How many died today from COVID-19?	Grins	Apr 2020	#7
I can let that go as misspeaking... worse was not distinguishing pool deaths from contagious disease	thesquanderer	Apr 2020	#8
In Most Cases, I'd Agree With You	ProfessorGAC	Apr 2020	#9
I had thought it was misplaced decimals, but it looks like it was something else...	thesquanderer	Apr 2020	#10

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:52 PM

Voltaire2 (10,773 posts)

1. idiots like other idiots

that was a rhetorical question, right?

Reply to this post

Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:58 PM

Goodheart (4,595 posts)

4. Fox had those two idiots on because they knew beforehand that each would downplay this crisis

Fucking creeps.

Reply to this post

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:54 PM

Blue Owl (43,835 posts)

2. Only if those pools are Philled

n/t

Reply to this post

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:55 PM

guillaumeb (42,641 posts)

3. How big is that pool? eom

Reply to this post

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:09 PM

PBC_Democrat (397 posts)

5. Someone should introduce the doctor to Google

The Centers for Disease Control report that here in the United States, on average, 3,536 people died from drowning annually from 2005 to 2014, which equates to 10 deaths each day. Then there are the thousands of others who suffer swimming pool-related injuries each year.

Being off by a couple of hundred I can understand ... maybe even adding a extra zero.

But being off by almost 357,000 .... no excuse.

Reply to this post

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:09 PM

dawg day (7,947 posts)

6. Gunlovers always make arguments like that, and they don't care about the facts

One gun guy I know told me seriously that more people are killed by soda can poptop accidents than guns. I didn't even bother to look it up. I asked, "How would a poptop kill you?" He came up with "you could swallow it and it could cut your throat on the way down," but then he couldn't think of any other ways. I asked if he knew anyone who died of a poptop, and he admitted he didn't. But we could both come up with a dozen or so people we knew who had died from gunshot.

If I persuaded him at all, it was probably just to switch to swimming pools as being more lethal than guns.

Actual CDC figures for US (note: This is all drownings, not just swimming pool):
From 2005-2014, there were an average of 3,536 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 332 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.

So he was only off by a factor of 100.....

Reply to this post

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:52 PM

Grins (6,022 posts)

7. That's 986/day. How many died today from COVID-19?

More than 4,000...

Reply to this post

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 06:15 PM

thesquanderer (11,558 posts)

8. I can let that go as misspeaking... worse was not distinguishing pool deaths from contagious disease

in terms of the value of social distancing and stay-in-place being helpful for one but not the other. Getting a number wrong is nothing next to a completely nonsensical thought process.

Reply to this post

Response to thesquanderer (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 06:18 PM

ProfessorGAC (57,856 posts)

9. In Most Cases, I'd Agree With You

However, I don't believe that he misspoke.
I believe he made up a number to suit his position. Which of course, is a lie.

Reply to this post

Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:02 AM

thesquanderer (11,558 posts)

10. I had thought it was misplaced decimals, but it looks like it was something else...

Here's the quote:

250 people a year die from poverty...45,000 people a year die from automobile accidents, 480,000 from cigarettes, 360,000 a year from swimming pools

At first it looked like a pair of misplaced decimals. The 250 from poverty was supposed to be 250,000. The accidental downing figure is supposed to be about 3,600. Though yes, the first is more clearly a mis-speaking when you hear him say it. The second is more questionable. As it turns out, he has now released a statement saying he was in error by quoting worldwide rather than U.S. statistics there, and that seems borne out by this:

https://www.wlsl.org/WLSL/The_Event/Drowning_Data/WLSL/Drowning_Data.aspx

Though in both cases, I believe he's lumping all accidental drownings as swimming pool deaths, which is also wrong. (One can drown in a river/bay/ocean, or a bathtub.)

Regardless, of course, drowning is not contagious, so it was a dumb point to make in the first place.

Reply to this post

General Discussion (Forum)