Couldn't we, as DU, get our own petition going? Resign Trump

[coeur_de_lion]

I looked at Moveon.org and they do allow you to start your own petition.

https://sign.moveon.org/petition/new?source=front_nav&utm_content=nav&utm_source=front

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	I would like to sign a petition to call for Trump's resignation
	4 (57%)
	Dumb idea
	3 (43%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[BigmanPigman]

1. I wrote to him a month ago suggesting this exact thing

and even managed to make it seem positive. I congratulated him on achieving his goal of bankrupting and killing Americans, so now would be a great time to leave on a high note.

[coeur_de_lion]

4. I'm shocked he didn't take you up

on your great suggestion.

[Totally Tunsie]

2. Sorry, but I've got to go with "Dumb Idea".

It will do absolutely nothing, won't make a dent of an impression, and will be a huge waste of time, effort, and hope. Nothing more than an exercise in frustration.

There's nothing you could put in a petition that Chump hasn't already heard loud and clear. FFS, he has protestors standing on his (our) front lawn with lighted signs. Is he gone yet?

[coeur_de_lion]

3. If we got a million signatures?

Isn't that better than sitting on our asses doing nothing while he incites riots?

[Totally Tunsie]

5. You may as well use it for TP.

What else will it be useful for? He doesn't listen to Congress; he doesn't listen to his Cabinet; he doesn't listen 60+% of the American people.

A piece of paper with a lot of names isn't going to get rid of him. It'll take A WHOLE LOT OF PIECES OF PAPER CALLED BALLOTS to do the trick.

GOTV.

[coeur_de_lion]

6. But meanwhile we do nothing?

Just sit back and watch him kill us?

[Totally Tunsie]

8. Patience, Grasshopper. November 3 is exactly 200 days away.

Voting him out of office is the cure to the problem. A piece of paper won't mean jack s**t.

[coeur_de_lion]

11. But a piece of paper is better than fucking nothing

I just can't sit back and watch as he incites riots.

[Totally Tunsie]

15. Good luck with your efforts. Let us know how it turns out.

[Codeine]

29. A piece of paper isn't "better than fucking nothing"

it literally IS nothing. It’s worse than nothing, because mental midgets convince themselves that their silly-ass clicky-clicky intarwebz petition is some sort of accomplishment.

Dumb idea.

[H2O Man]

31. If I understand your

suggestion correctly, it is not because you think it would cause Trump to feel shame for the first time in his life, and to resign in disgrace. Rather, it is to create an outlet for people to express their frustrations, and which could be used to communicate to others.
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I note that our other friend here says that people protest outside the White House, but it hasn't caused Trump to resign. While he/she is correct in a limited sense, he/she appears to completely ignore what I consider the most important feature in both your suggested petition and those protest outside of the White House.

By no coincidence, both are protected by Amendment #1 of the Bill of Rights, which is as valuable a part of our Constitution as anything contained in that document. There are reasons why the Founding Fathers included Amendment #1 -- just as there are reasons why several presidents and state officials have attempted to limit these freedoms to limit what the Founding Fathers recognized were essential citizen rights in order to maintain a democracy.

Thus, I think you have a good idea, and support it 100%.

OP = recommended.

[coeur_de_lion]

32. Thanks H

I don't understand how anyone would think it would HURT us, and it might make some feel better.

I'm not saying trump would recognize it and take any action. He is mentally ill. He isn't capable of understanding how much we all hate him. But it might make the news or it might wake some GOP in the senate up.

[H2O Man]

47. Sure.

The only thing that I disagree with you on is the part that Trump is "mentally ill." He is a sociopath, which means that he is morally ill, or ethically ill. Thus, under pressure, he is prone to experiencing (relatively) brief periods of psychosis, but in the overall sense, it a sociopath is not mentally ill. It is accurate, however, to say that the mental health system is tasked with "treating" many sociopaths, due to the relationship between that system and the legal system. The mental health experts have identified the most accurate manner to identify sociopaths, which is helpful to the legal system. And it is true that, like the rest of the population, a sociopath may have a major mental illness, such as a bi-polar disorder.

My next response to my friend below shall expand upon the other issues invoolved. I understand his/her point of view, and am not suggesting that it is not valid in some ways. But I think it is important to study that Constitution, and recognize that it has expansive implications.

[coeur_de_lion]

49. Thanks again H

While I don't disagree with much of the substance of Tunsie's argument I do disagree that some type of protest by the people out of the question. How can we not protest?

Anyway I can't just sit idly by and watch the country roll over and accept trump as dictator, if only until January 2021. Even if all it does is galvanize the resistance I think protest is necessary. We can't march. COVID took care of that. So there has to be some other means of expressing our dissent.

I don't have your education in psychological illness. When I see the word sociopath I automatically equate it with mental illness. I think I need to understand it better but I don't want the distinction between a criminal and a mentally ill mind to stop me from doing SOMETHING.

When we spoke last night you said rump is like a machine. And we can no more expect him to govern responsibly than we could expect a lawn mower to be able to clear snow like a snow blower. I'm not even thinking that we can stir something in him other than his usual batshit ravings.

I want the legislators who support him to have tangible evidence of how unhappy most of the country is with them. We had protests during the Vietnam era. And we had loads of them in the beginning of rump presidency which did nothing to deter him.

What can we do NOW to express out revulsion for the way he has mishandled the country, and the senate has let him?

What next?

[Totally Tunsie]

39. If we were dealing with an intelligent, moral, compassionate, and lawful

president and administration, what you say may well be true. However, we are not.

Speaking of ignoring, this administration ignores not only the pleas of the masses, it ignores the same Constitution and laws of this land to which you refer.

I'm all for lawful protest as a way of being heard. I just don't expect that it will produce the miracles that many are hoping for. This is not a normal administration.

[H2O Man]

48. Interesting.

I agree with much of what you are saying .....more accurately, "most" of what you are saying. And there is nothing that you've said that I really disagree with. But, being an old man who is postponing my early afternoon walk due to the snow that fell last night, let me explain where I see some minor differences.

I agree 100% that we are not dealing with "an intelligent, moral, compassionate, and lawful president and administration." Gracious! Life would be so much less complicated if we were! In late February, I posted my interview with Yale's top forensic psychologist, Dr. Bandy Lee, the author/editor of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump." The interview focused upon the fact that Trump is a sociopath, and references Erich Fromm's works, which identify the types of dangerous people a sociopath surrounds himself with if and when they rise to political power.

It is important to recognize not only that, but the socio-political environment which allows such a tumor upon society to grow. This is, in my opinion, essential for providing the context for how we can and should interpret the Constitution. In that sense, your focus on the November elections is spot-on, and surely of huge significance.

The Constitution provides for more than dealing with intelligent, moral, compassionate, and lawful presidents. The example of impeachment being included is obviously the clearest proof, though not the only tool available. It's true that not a single president has ever resigned because of public actions that fall under Amendment 1, yet the Founding Fathers included those protections for important reasons. They knew that a "bad" president would seek to limit those rights, and punish those who exercised them.

Nixon resigned because the republicans in the House and Senate were responding to his growing unpopularity, his chronic lying being exposed, and his inability to function properly as chief executive -- the synergy of which insured impeachment and conviction. Along side of that, those republicans recognized that Nixon had become a ball & chain that greatly reduced the chances of their party remaining in its current position in the next election. While the public protests were not the only factor that made this evident to them, it was the most visible.

What our friend is suggesting is not geared towards sending Trump a message. We can safely take that right off the table. Yet it is a way to exercise Amendment 1 -- in a much more rational manne, for example, than Trump & Co's ranting about Amendment 2. It allows people to send a message to the republicans in DC (even though almost all will ignore it), and to focus upon expanding the interest in the necessary voter participation that is essential come November.

[brooklynite]

37. No, it's not "better than nothing"...it's nothing

If you want to express your opinion about Trump, join the Biden campaign and let some voters know.

[fescuerescue]

20. Well we had 65,000,000 vote against him

For some odd reason, he decided to take the oath anyway.

Maybe if we can get 66 million sigs he'll will finally take notice!

[Me.]

35. Yes It Is

You never know until you try. Naysaying never got anyone anywhere. And what does it hurt to try?

[TheBlackAdder]

14. All it will do is expose our real names as associated with this site, to get released to RW lunatics

[Totally Tunsie]

18. You're preaching to the choir. This needs to be addressed to the OP.

[Tipperary]

33. Yep.

With you.

[Crunchy Frog]

7. Maybe we could write him a polite letter requesting his resignation.

Or each of us could write such a letter so he'd get a whole bunch.

It would have about the same effect.

[coeur_de_lion]

9. Isn't action better than inaction?

If we had enough signatures it would at least make the news.

[Totally Tunsie]

12. Then the newspaper AND the petition could be used for TP.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. Yes, take action. Shelter at home if you can.

If you must leave your home, practice social distancing, wear a mask, practice frequent handwashing, and advise others to do the same.

Donate some of your stimulus money to various candidates. Learn about how you can help your local Democratic Party from home.

You could also use social media to try to persuade people to vote for Democrats, or at least not vote for Republicans.

This country is not yet in an open civil war, but if it makes you feel better, you could begin to prepare yourself for one.

[Codeine]

30. A petition isn't "action".

That’s the worst kind of white-bread silliness.

[Totally Tunsie]

10. Please, please tell me there is a silent sarcasm emoji in your post!

[coeur_de_lion]

13. No Tunsie

I just want to DO SOMETHING

Instead of watching it done to us.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. Yes, of course there is. It is all true though.

[Totally Tunsie]

24. LOL Crunchy, that would at least help to bail out the USPS.

All those letters; all that postage -

[fescuerescue]

17. Yea that will do it

Trump will take one look at that and resign immediately.

[coeur_de_lion]

19. We can make a dent

better than nothing. I we do is kvetch about what he does.

[Totally Tunsie]

26. This is more than kvetching and didn't make a blip on his radar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/07/this-is-what-we-learned-by-counting-the-womens-marches/

In total, the women’s march involved between 3,267,134 and 5,246,670 people in the United States (our best guess is 4,157,894). That translates into 1 percent to 1.6 percent of the U.S. population of 318,900,000 people (our best guess is 1.3 percent).

[coeur_de_lion]

27. Good point

It would have to be one helluva petition.

Malcolm Nance calling for trump resignation.

Lots of people are.

Why not us?

[Totally Tunsie]

28. Really, coeur_de_lion, my comments aren't meant to personally

damper your spirit, so please consider this my apology if they've done so. We need fervor such as yours to make our voices heard, but Chump is as deaf as it comes when it gets down to the opinions of others.

Putting our energy into getting out the blue vote for Nov. 3 will have much more of an effect in getting this bloviating fool out of office.

Peace.

[coeur_de_lion]

40. We vote 11/3

He doesn't leave until January 20.

Until he is gone he will do everything he can to destroy the country.

But everyone is saying nothing we can do and sorry I don't buy it. He needs to be gone now.

[Totally Tunsie]

41. Still, a petition isn't going to be the miracle cure.

IMPEACHMENT didn't get him out. What do you really expect a petition to do?

Besides, if you didn't want or expect an opinion differing from yours, it probably isn't the best idea to post a poll offering "Dumb Idea" as one of the choices. The idea of a poll is to allow people to express an opinion. Not everyone will make the same selection. When you offer that as an option, be prepared that someone may select it. Posting a poll so that everyone agrees with you doesn't make much sense.

[coeur_de_lion]

42. Listen sweet pea

You've done enough disagreeing on this thread to last me a week.

Give it a rest.

I never said no one can disagree with me but you're taking it a bit far.

I think the people have to do something.

So what is a better suggestion?

Put your mind to work in some kind of positive direction.

A lot of people are going to die because of this lunatic between now and January 20, 2021. That's if he even allows an election to take place.

[Totally Tunsie]

43. Sweet pea? Aren't we geting a little petty?

YOU posted the poll with differing options.

YOU were the first to come back at me when I answered your poll with one of the options YOU presented.

The people have, and will continue, to do something. It's called voting. THAT is my "better suggestion".

You can continue to post polls until you run out of options to offer. The ultimate poll is on November 3.

I'm "positive" - positive that a piece of paper with a bunch of signatures on it isn't going to mean diddley-squat to Chump. Remember...he doesn't even read his President's Daily Brief. He sure as hell isn't going to read a million signatures. And if he did, it would mean absolutely zero to him.

If you can't accept the answers, opinions, or results on your poll, better not to post it. A poll, by virtue of its definition, calls for differing responses. Got it?

Dictionary

poll /pōl/

noun: poll; plural noun: polls; plural noun: the polls

1. the process of voting in an election.

"the country went to the polls on March 10"

•short for opinion poll.


verb: poll; 3rd person present: polls; past tense: polled; past participle: polled; gerund or present participle: polling


1. record the opinion or vote of.

"focus groups in which customers are polled about merchandise preferences"

As you yourself wrote in Post #27: "It would have to be one helluva petition."

[coeur_de_lion]

44. Sweet Pea

A common term of endearment in the south where I live. Can be sarcastic I suppose but I didn't mean it that way. Honest.

OF COURSE I asked for opinions. I just didn't think anyone would be so anxious to give theirs over and over and over. Like you are.

I think you're taking a lot of joy in taking the piss out of me.

I am not your enemy. I am allowed to disagree with you even so.

Have a drink, put your feet up, relax and leave me the fuck alone okay?

[Totally Tunsie]

45. Follow your own advice:

"Have a drink, put your feet up, relax and leave me the fuck alone okay?"

Take another look, Honey*...
I attempted to end my responses to you three times - posts #8, 15 and 28 - and you came back at me each time, continuing the debate. In fact, you even answered me (post #13) when I made a post (#10) to someone else because you were so anxious to continue.

Pot, meet kettle.

Bless your heart. Y'all have a good night, hear?



*Honey - A common term of endearment in the north where I live. "Can be sarcastic I suppose but I didn't mean it that way. Honest."

[coeur_de_lion]

46. Can it.

Now you’re really tiresome.

Go find a dog to kick or maybe you can pull the legs off a spider.

Thanks for calling me honey. Makes me feel right at home. I often called people that even when I lived in NYC years ago. I like it.

I don’t know what is up your ass but quit taking it out on me. I say again I am not your enemy.

BUT I damn sure don’t want to be your friend.

You can reply again and stir up more animosity but if you do you’ll just earn the distinction of being the only person on this board that I have blocked in 16 years.

[TwilightZone]

21. Wouldn't matter.

He wouldn't care. As long as his approval stays high among Rs, he thinks he can ignore everything else, including a petition, especially from Move On. It would be a waste of time.

[bdamomma]

23. We are in a catch 22

Violence or non violence, it's going to come to that. That bastard is hoping for it.

I only wish I could say what I hope for this bastard but I would be banned.

[dustyscamp]

25. If you want to do something you could try and go out and convince new people to vote blue

Just keep your distance when you do

[totodeinhere]

34. I voted pass. It might be a feel good thing and God knows we need reasons to feel good right now.

But it would be a waste of time. He would never resign. His inflated ego would not allow that.

[brooklynite]

36. We could do many pointless things...

An online poll might make you feel good, but will accomplish nothing.

[VOX]

38. Trump & lieutenants don't even respond to subpoenas.

I’m afraid that a petition would do little against this gang of lawless, nihilistic, insane thugs.

[ck4829]

50. Pass - Because e-petitions are feel-good, no-impact things. But, you thirst for action...

Some people here do suggest sitting on your hands pretty much, leaving action to others apparently.

First, read this...
https://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FDTD.pdf

The administration is far from a dictatorship (Right now anyway), but it still uses the same sources of power and still has the same vulnerabilities as any other regime. Use this as a guide.

[coeur_de_lion]

51. This looks like a really good read

Thank you for sharing it with me I will read when I get off work today.

[Hotler]

52. I think we should start sending him rubber dicks... nt.

[coeur_de_lion]

53. LOL I like how you think!