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Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:23 AM

Okay, the census pisses me off!

This question:
Select one or more boxes AND enter origins. For this census, Hispanic origins are not races.

The origins box is not optional. I'm offended and disgusted. What difference does it make my origin? Is that going to qualify my community for more or less federal dollars if I am black, brown, white? WTAF?

I put human.

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Reply Okay, the census pisses me off! (Original post)
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 OP
Walleye Apr 2020 #1
ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #15
Igel Apr 2020 #19
jimfields33 Apr 2020 #2
gay texan Apr 2020 #3
demmiblue Apr 2020 #4
doc03 Apr 2020 #10
RussBLib Apr 2020 #23
doc03 Apr 2020 #28
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 #30
GemDigger Apr 2020 #5
Mariana Apr 2020 #6
TreasonousBastard Apr 2020 #7
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 #31
Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #8
kimbutgar Apr 2020 #9
Maeve Apr 2020 #11
KPN Apr 2020 #12
RKP5637 Apr 2020 #14
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 #32
KPN Apr 2020 #39
sarcasmo Apr 2020 #13
PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2020 #16
dawg Apr 2020 #18
Mad cow Apr 2020 #20
shanti Apr 2020 #38
rusty fender Apr 2020 #22
dawg Apr 2020 #24
krispos42 Apr 2020 #26
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 #33
snowybirdie Apr 2020 #17
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 #34
forest4qt Apr 2020 #21
dawg Apr 2020 #25
JonAndKatePlusABird Apr 2020 #40
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 #35
msongs Apr 2020 #27
Staph Apr 2020 #29
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 #36
Staph Apr 2020 #37
Trueblue Texan Apr 2020 #41
mvd Apr 2020 #42

Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

1. I always put human. Where the hell is Caucasia anyway?

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Response to Walleye (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:57 AM

15. It's South Of Antarctica

Oh, wait! That's impossible, isn't it?

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Response to Walleye (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 12:38 PM

19. Caucasus.

The idea was that since Indo-European languages had moved into Europe from somewhere *and* had a common word for salmon, where could that salmon-containing somewhere be? Turns out the Caucasus was a good fit for that.

Nobody buys that conclusion anymore, but the terminology stuck.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

2. I haven't even done it yet.

Iím not doing any of that type of thing until weíre back to normal.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:27 AM

3. I think I'll put down

Nunya

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:28 AM

4. Why we ask about race:

We ask a question about a person's race to create statistics about race and to present other estimates by race groups.

Local, state, tribal, and federal programs use these data, and they are critical factors in the basic research behind numerous policies, particularly for civil rights. Race data are used in planning and funding government programs that provide funds or services for specific groups.

These data are also used to evaluate government programs and policies to ensure that they fairly and equitably serve the needs of all racial groups and to monitor compliance with antidiscrimination laws, regulations, and policies.

The U.S. Census Bureau collects racial data in accordance with the 1997 Office of Management and Budget standards on race and ethnicity. The data on race are based on self-identification and the categories on the form generally reflect a social definition of race. The categories are not an attempt to define race biologically, anthropologically, or genetically. Respondents can mark more than one race on the form to indicate their racial mixture.

https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-question/race/


C'mon, now. Use some critical thinking before you put "human".

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

10. If I am white, black or purple WTF does country of

origin have to do with anything? I could be black from England or any place else in the world. I could white and come from Africa. I put England, Ireland, Germany, France, Netherlands and Latvia.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:37 PM

23. if it is for statistical purposes, I could see it

but I don't trust the Trump administration further than I can spit, and I suspect they would use the data for some nefarious purpose. Oh, how low trust has sunk in govt.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 02:10 PM

28. I really don't see what my country origin would

be of any interest to them. I think they are more interested in where people of color come from
Like you say if Trump is involved something nefarious is behind it
I should have said the planet Volcan.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 07:50 PM

30. with the monster in the Oval Office, I was using plenty of critical thinking

It already asked me about my race. Then it wanted to know about my origin. How would I even know, except what my parents told me? For all I know, my origins are from the entire globe. Therefore: human.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:30 AM

5. I put "14th generation American" and I printed it small enough that it would fit in the box.

I did not put what my race was.

It was because of that question that it sat here for 2 weeks before I touched it.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:31 AM

6. The Censuses have been asking about race since 1790.

They've asked about origins, in one way or another, since 1850. It's reasonable for the government to collect demographic information. FTR, I answered American.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:31 AM

7. I do not understand why this is such a big problem. The Census has always, in one way...

or another, counted race-- largely because we tend to make a big deal of it.

"We", as in this country. Since its origin.

Your personal origin is not important, but the racial and sociological makeup of the country is.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 07:51 PM

31. It was the origin part that pissed me off.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:32 AM

8. Actually ethnicity and race is important

It used as a guide for drawing congressional districts as well as state legislatures, city councils, etc. If you can you should revise your census form before sending it in.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:36 AM

9. Mine asked what is the country of origin of your white ancestry

I refused to answer that question only put donít know.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:37 AM

11. I listed half of Europe

Starting with Ireland, of course. England, Wales, France, Germany...let 'em sort all that out.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:42 AM

12. None of the questions on the census would be

bothersome if we had a government that didnít involve Republicans.

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Response to KPN (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:55 AM

14. K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

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Response to KPN (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 07:52 PM

32. Exactly! how are they going to use this info against us?

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 10:06 PM

39. They already are. For the uninformed, filling out and sending in the Census Survey is

the lowest priority on their list. At the same time, their rabid base has been pumped to the nth degree and itís the last thing theyíll ignore. Itís already working to their ends.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:43 AM

13. Looked like junk mail, originally put it in the shred pile.

Looked like junk mail on purpose.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 12:01 PM

16. I gather that all the people who are complaining about that question never filled out a

census form before.

Didn't think we had that many very young people here.

But yeah, they've always asked about race. And the census is in the Constitution. At least no one here is screaming about it being Unconstitutional.

In 2010 I had one of those part time jobs with the census, looking over filled out forms and it was incredible how many people seemed to think that there had never been a census before.

Plus, if you're happy with your state being undercounted and maybe losing a seat in Congress, then heck, don't fill it out. Don't bother to vote either.

Otherwise, grow up and behave like a citizen.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 12:26 PM

18. No. You're missing the point. We expect to indicate our race on the census. That's normal.

I selected White, Non-Hispanic.

Then it wants to know what *kind* of white person you are. English? French? German?

Who the fuck knows? We're all a blend.

My surname is English, but I doubt I'm anymore English than French or German.

I just put "Northern European".

I guess "Aryan" is what they were fishing for.

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Response to dawg (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 12:43 PM

20. I put Northern European

As well, but I probably should have said "Heinz 57" like we used to say when I was a kid.

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Response to Mad cow (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 08:18 PM

38. LOL

My dad used to say he was Heinz 57 when I asked him that long ago. He would be amazed to hear what I found after taking a DNA test.

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Response to dawg (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:35 PM

22. Who the fuck knows?

Anyone who has ever had an ancestry test done ✅

See: ancestry.com, 23andme, etc.



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Response to rusty fender (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:37 PM

24. Yeah. I had one of those.

I have English, Irish, Western Europe, Iberian Peninsula, Scandinavia, and traces of N. Africa and S. Asia.

That wouldn't all fit into the block.

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Response to dawg (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:49 PM

26. If you don't know, then don't worry about it

I'm half Italian and then some other stuff, so I put down "Italian". Or maybe Italian and German; it was a couple of weeks ago, which feels like forever in this environment, and I don't remember exactly.

Anyway, that's the majority of my ethnic heritage. They don't expect you to put down a particular clan of a long-lost duchy of what is now Estonia.

Trump's an asshole. But this information will live as long as the country does, however long or short that is.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 07:53 PM

33. I used to work for the Census.

I've filled out plenty. I've no recollection about questions about origin. Race, yes. What difference does my origin make? If I said Iran or Mexico, I'd be extremely nervous.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 12:09 PM

17. Feel what you want

but there's a lot more to be pissed about than checking a dumb box.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 07:55 PM

34. Good Lord.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:10 PM

21. origins not required to submit census

The origins question is not required. Census can be submitted without answering that question.

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Response to forest4qt (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:39 PM

25. Wouldn't let me submit without answering.

I submitted online and I was forced to put something in that block.

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Response to dawg (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 10:34 PM

40. It's a fakeout

I thought the exact same thing you did, that it was a required field, because I got the error and had the same experience as you.

Turns out, if you scroll back down and click NEXT one more time, it works, even if the field is blank.

So it IS possible to submit without further explanation. That said, thatís no excuse, since the way the form is currently set up is absolutely misleading. There are ways to create the form so that certain fields are indicated as optional.

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Response to forest4qt (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 07:58 PM

35. apparently they are.

YOu can't submit it with an empty field.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:59 PM

27. census is massively invasive and goes way beyond a count of the populace nt

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 03:13 PM

29. I've recently done both Ancestry and 23 and Me.

It has helped me building a family tree, to trace all of those Heinz 57 ancestors of mine. And looking at the census data for those ancestors has been fascinating. I have tons of questions, about the great uncle who lived with his grandparents in West Virginia instead of his parents in upper New York state, and the distant cousin who lived with her aunt and uncle rather than her parents on the other side of the mountain.

Fill out the census and answer the silly questions to the best of your ability! Your descendants are counting on you!


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Response to Staph (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 08:01 PM

36. I know what you mean...

But I don't think this Census will answer any of those types of questions. It's basically name, address, do you rent or own and what's your race and origin. Nothing to trace for the next generations. And if you get your origin question wrong, it's really not helpful to future generations.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 08:15 PM

37. The origin info is just a guess for most people.

But to look at my grandparents' entries, to see that Pappy was laborer in a sawmill in Arkansas, then an oil well driller in Wyoming and then in California, and in Montana, and finally a restaurant owner in Montana.

Pappy died in 1952, before I was born, and none of his wives or children are still here. So to see that information gives me a sense of who he was.


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Response to Staph (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 11:37 PM

41. you will not find that kind of info on the 2020 Census

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 12:07 AM

42. Like the other DUer, I could submit it online without..

answering origins. You have to go back and submit again. I didnít feel like listing all those countries of origin even though it appears England and Italy make up the majority.

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