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[randome]

1. It's all about him, isn't it? Every damn fucking thing.

Is he working for the Romney campaign now?

[Luminous Animal]

14. Except it doesn't come from him. Assange does not tweet for Wikileaks. I thought we

expected a higher standard of accuracy on DU.

[robinlynne]

21. Thank-you.

[msanthrope]

35. Using the logic Wikileaks posited, Assange's failure to condemn the tweet is tacit approval of it.

But I still think that was Julian, all the way.

[SidDithers]

51. I wonder if he's got restrictions on his internet activities while a guest of the Ecuadorans...

Could they be held responsible if he did anything illegal from inside the embassy?



Edit: maybe "illegal" is too strong a word. Embarrassing, maybe?

Sid

[msanthrope]

56. I wonder if the people he bilked 340k from are able to contact him there. nt

[struggle4progress]

129. "... Henry Blaxland QC representing four .. backers, said none .. could they reach him ..."

Assange supporters to lose out after breach of bail conditions
Paul Cheston , Jonathan Brown
Tuesday 04 September 2012
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/assange-supporters-to-lose-out-after-breach-of-bail-conditions-8104882.html

[Luminous Animal]

131. You've any eviidence that they feel they've been bilked...

Nope. Nada. Not whatsoever. Bilked is your own imagination based on zero evidence.

Hey! Did you know that Obama was born in Kenya!

[struggle4progress]

134. We can listen to Vaughn Smith, at whose home Assange stayed before skipping off to the embassy

Smith was quite sure Assange would not jump bail:

"... I've gotten to know Julian well enough to be 100% sure he's not going to abscond ..."
Vaughan Smith on Assange bail

The former soldier and the founder of the Frontline Club insists the Wikileaks founder will not abscond from his house.
http://www.metro.co.uk/video/712988142001-vaughan-smith-on-assange-bail
@1:20

Afterwards, having guaranteed Assange's appearance in court, but not being a rich man, he seems a tad depressed:

If your friends gave you $376,000 to stay out of jail, the least you might want to do is drop a hint that you're skipping town. But none such courtesies were extended to Julian Assange's donors ... Vaughan Smith, a former British army captain who housed Assange, sounds downright unhappy in a conversation with The Wall Street Journal. "I'm slightly concerned that I may have guaranteed 20 grand to be paid later," he said. "The interests of my family are obviously impacted by the loss of that sort of money" ...

Assange's Celebrity Donors Were Left High and Dry
JOHN HUDSON
JUN 21, 2012
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/06/assanges-celebrity-donors-were-left-high-and-dry/53795/

[Luminous Animal]

136. Well, there you go. One person who expressed regret. $356,000 other regrets to go.

[Luminous Animal]

140. Still looking for that bilked thingy,

[struggle4progress]

137. Here's Jemima Khan, surprised:

... One of Julian Assange's most prominent supporters, Jemima Khan, has said she would like to see the WikiLeaks founder, who has made an asylum bid to avoid extradition to Sweden, confront the rape allegations made against him by two Swedish women. The socialite and charity fundraiser, who faces losing the £20,000 she put towards his bail money after Assange took refuge at the Ecuadorean embassy in London and sought political asylum, said on Twitter that the women deserved a response to their allegations. She wrote: "For the record, in response to those asking about Assange & bail money.... I personally would like to see Assange confront the rape allegations in Sweden and the 2 women at the centre have a right to a response" ... Earlier this week, she voiced her surprise at Assange's asylum bid, writing on Twitter that she had "expected him to face the allegations" ...

Jemima Khan 'would like to see Julian Assange confront rape allegations'
Socialite who donated to WikiLeaks founder's bail money also defends him over fears of extradition to US
David Batty
Thursday 21 June 2012 19.54 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/22/jemima-khan-julian-assange-allegations

[struggle4progress]

138. Nine who provided sureties had counsel before the court last week, ready to argue

that they were taken by surprise and shouldn't lose their money: if they're willing to pay counsel to try to persuade the judge to let them continue to hold onto their cash, presumably that means they want to keep their money and aren't pleased that he skipped bail -- otherwise, why bother?

...Henry Blaxland QC, representing four of the sureties, said Vaughan Smith was making a documentary with the British army in Afghanistan, while Evans is on holiday in Italy ... "It was an extraordinary thing to do. Nobody could reasonably have foreseen that's what he would do," he said and urged that the hearing be postponed indefinitely ...

Julian Assange backers could lose £340,000 in bail money
WikiLeaks founder's supporters have already forfeited £200,000 and risk £140,000 more if Assange refuses to surrender to police
Shiv Malik and agencies
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 4 September 2012 13.24 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/04/julian-assange-backers-lose-bail?newsfeed=true

[Luminous Animal]

139. Um, that only reveals that they feel that they've been biilked by the state, not Assange.

[struggle4progress]

141. Let's explain the concept of bail: one puts up cash or a guarantee to pay cash, to witness

that the accused will appear in court as ordered, and one forfeits the cash or pays the guarantee, in case of appearance default by the accused

The notion is simple. The agreement typically includes no fine print: shyster games -- such as holding one in technical default if one fails to say "Mother, may I?" before eating Beano in a month without Rs -- are seldom seen in the Land of Bail. And in any case, those who put up cash, or guarantee to pay cash, usually have advice from clever counselors who will explain, in advance and in detail, the exact meaning of "If the accused fails to appear in court as ordered, you will forfeit your cash and/or pay the guarantee"

So bail is not, under usual understandings, anything like a bilk or a scam or a swindle

[Luminous Animal]

142. They are suing the state. Not Assange.

[joshcryer]

143. Doesn't look like they're suing to me.

The hearing in Oct. is merely procedural. If Assange has not surrendered by then they lose their money.

They just tried to delay having to pay the sureties. This sort of thing is cut and dry and really they have zero recourse. You sign a piece of paper giving money over for bail then the conditions of bail must be met.

Note: I have 3 brothers who I've had to bail out on occasion, for what it's worth. Pretty familiar with the whole process, shouldn't be too different in the UK.

[struggle4progress]

69. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[Scootaloo]

128. Struggle4progress has been on a torch-and-pitchfork crusade for some time now

[Zorra]

145. It's true that progressives expect a higher degree of accuracy. But DU is a big tent.

For many non-progressives, accuracy is considered unnecessary, and usually regarded as detrimental, as it is usually an impediment to the furthering of the corporatist agenda.

Not everyone has the same ethical standards, and not everyone feels shame when they lie.

There is actually a concept called the Noble Lie ~

In politics a noble lie is a myth or untruth, often, but not invariably, of a religious nature, knowingly told by an elite to maintain social harmony or to advance an agenda. The noble lie is a concept originated by Plato as described in the Republic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie

Leo Strauss, father of neocon ideology, was purportedly a proponent of using the "noble lie".

So, progressives can expect a higher degree of accuracy at DU, but unfortunately, this higher standard will not always be recognized as important by others who may be promoting some type of alternative agenda.

[Kelvin Mace]

2. OK, stick a fork in him, he's done

Yes, his remark can be construed as a very nuanced statement, and could be argued by some to be true.

However, only a complete imbecile would make such a remark publicly.

[Luminous Animal]

17. That would make sense if HE wrote it but he didn't. The Wikileaks tweet account is not Assange.

[Kelvin Mace]

40. OK, I can accept that

and will withdraw my statement for now. I await a press release from Assange clarifying this point.

[msanthrope]

57. Don't hold your breath. nt

[Luminous Animal]

80. If you followed the story, Wikileaks has already removed the tweet and issued

an amended tweet.

First a follow up from Jemima Khan:

Jemima Khan ‏@Jemima_Khan

It has now been deleted and amended...

Now for the amended tweet:

WikiLeaks ‏@wikileaks

By the US accepting the UK threat to storm the Ecuadorian embassy in London it helped to normalize attacks on embassies.

I actually don't agree with the statement and you won't get a press release from Assange as he is not operating as Wikileaks spokesperson. Currently, the public face of Wikileaks is Kristinn Hrafnsson.

[struggle4progress]

70. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[Luminous Animal]

83. The current Wikileaks spokesperson is Kristinn Hrafnsson.

[msanthrope]

105. Is Hrafnsson responsible for the drunken tweets from Wikileaks at this link?

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-internaut/i-am-a-corrupt-moron-flying-jumbo-jets-loaded-with-entire-nations-says-julian-assange/

[Luminous Animal]

121. Perhaps. Or it could have been a un-named chinese Wikileaks

dissident blowing off steam. Perhaps they should be exposed and prosecuted.

[Firebrand Gary]

3. He's not going to make any friends with that statement! nt

[Luminous Animal]

25. Well, that's a relief because Assange did not write it. It was posted by the Wikileaks twitter

account which is not the same as Assange.

[Firebrand Gary]

28. Good to know. Thanks!

[struggle4progress]

71. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[Luminous Animal]

85. Yes. That was two years ago. The current spokesperson is Kristinn Hrafnsson.

And how's that new Wikileaks-style "OpenLeaks" that the admitted thief (and admitted destroyer of the banking info) Domscheit-Berg was supposed to launch nearly two years ago. It is still a place holder on the internet.

[struggle4progress]

95. Spokesperson Birgitta Jonsdottir stepped down, concerned about Assange's iron grip. Then

spokesperson Daniel Domscheit-Berg stepped down, concerned about Assange's iron grip. So whoever's there now doesn't mind Assange's iron grip

[Luminous Animal]

118. That thief and destoyer of the banking info was fired.

[struggle4progress]

132. If you want to stipulate Assange fired Domscheit-Berg for disagreeing with him, it's fine with me:

it just makes the case more strongly that Assange has never tolerated dissent at Wikileaks

Whether Domscheit-Berg was fired or quit in September 2010, Assange was chortling in January 2011 about how much fun it was to make the banks squirm -- and then in February 2011 he changed his tune and said there might not be anything in the BoA emails. This was months after Domscheit-Berg quit or was fired or whatever. So if it is true (as you say) that Domscheit-Berg stole BoA emails when he left, that leaves us with the unpleasant image of Assange, months later, enjoying threatening US banks with disclosures he could not actually make -- and then finally backing out, on the grounds that he wasn't sure what he actually had

... "I think it's great," Assange told the venerable US television news magazine 60 Minutes on Sunday evening. "We have all these banks squirming, thinking maybe it's them" ...

Assange relishes US banks 'squirming' over 'megaleak'
Accuses America of chucking free speech in rubbish bin
By Cade Metz in San Francisco31st January 2011 05:06 GMT
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/31/assange_says_us_cant_take_wikileaks_down/

WikiLeaks has data from Bank of America Corp., but founder Julian Assange isn't sure whether it holds any big news ... The information consists of e-mails from an executive's computer hard drive, according to Reuters, which cited people familiar with Assange's private discussions. The most recent messages are from 2006, which would preclude information about the bank's 2008 Countrywide Financial Corp. and Merrill Lynch & Co. acquisitions. "Assange privately acknowledged the material was not self-explanatory and that he personally was unable to make much sense of it" ...

WikiLeaks: Assange doubts value of Bank of America e-mails
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2011
Rick Rothacker | Charlotte Observer
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/02/11/108626/wikileaks-assange-doubts-value.html

[leveymg]

4. Anon. has a point. There's been a generalized breakdown in norms as the whole intl playing field

Last edited Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:11 PM - Edit history (1)

disintegrates into lawlessness and spreading warfare. And, the source is rotten governments and global business.

Not absurd or reckless, and whoever tweeted this wasn't condoning the attack.

Don't grasp at straws so much, s4p.

[joshcryer]

67. Doesn't explain the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq embassays before Assange.

It's definitely an inappropriate and illogical conclusion being thrown around by Wikileaks.

I agree that rotten governments are the real issue though. Wikileaks should release the Moscow files but for some reason after Assange got his job with RT that was swept under the rug.

[cali]

5. oh dear. that is narcissistic as hell.

it's also bullshit. And I'm also a wikileaks supporter.

[Luminous Animal]

27. Well, Assange didn't post that on twitter. Wikileaks did.

Assange does not run the Wikileaks twitter account.

[struggle4progress]

72. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[ljm2002]

146. Spamming your own thread...

...with the same cut & paste articles from two years ago: not really a compelling argument.

It's par for the course from you, though: argument by repeated, lengthy assertion. I can almost hear the mental dialog: "If I say the same thing often enough, if my cut & paste is long enough, if I beat them over the head repeatedly with the Club Of The Truth As I See It, people will simply have to bow down to My Truth."

[Cha]

147. Thanks for this, struggleforprogress..

I hadn't seen it.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Well, he is a dipshit.

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. I don't think Assange is well. I don't think he's been well for a long, LONG time.

I'm talking long before any leaked cables. There is something really wrong and perverse about this guy, and I have a feeling there's so much more we're yet to learn. He's such a private individual (yeah, I know it's ironic), considering he thinks nothing should be secret.

[11cents]

9. I've always thought so as well.

The guy has always been one big blinking red "Danger" sign. And ignoring that sign always leads to trouble sooner or later. Character does matter.

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. Which is exactly why one has to be selective as to who one hitches one's wagon to. I predict a....

lot of embarrassment for a good many people.

[Luminous Animal]

38. Yes. You should be embarassed by the OP and the fact that you trusted the disinformation.

[struggle4progress]

74. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[Tarheel_Dem]

86. ^^^ THIS ^^^!!!!

"And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out"

Do you find it, in any way, ironic that his most strident defenders choose to chastise others for their slavish "devotion" to other figures. That's why I at them. They're ridiculous, and their irony meters are in desperate need of repair.

[Luminous Animal]

29. Thank you doctor for offering a prognosis based on evidence that came from someone other

than Assange. If you had done due diligence and clicked on the link and read past the Drudge-like headline, you would know this. The quote comes from the Wikileaks twitter account. Not Assange.

And by the way, Assange is an advocate for personal privacy (a concept that the Supreme Court has upheld as a Constitutional right). He is also an advocate free press and the right to publish state secrets (a concept that the Supreme Court has upheld as having no Constitutional protections.)

[msanthrope]

37. Using the logic Wikileaks posited, Assange's failure to condemn the tweet is tacit approval of it.

I do think that was Julian, however. I'd love to see you prove otherwise.

[Luminous Animal]

43. Since I don't agree with the logic, I wouldn't draw such conclusions.

Of course you think it was Julian even though he hasn't been their official spokesperson in almost two years.

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. The poor dear: the spotlight shifted away from HIM for a while.

I support Assange's organization and what it stands for, and I deplore what I see as an attempt to railroad the guy...but Jesus H Christ, the guy's a self-important douchebag.

[Luminous Animal]

20. Then you should direct your insults to the organization. The Wikileakds twitter account is not

run by Assange.

[Lizzie Poppet]

42. Do you know that for a fact?

If so, might I ask how?

[Luminous Animal]

44. Because I know and I won't answer how.

[Kelvin Mace]

47. Oh my star and whiskers!

Really? I am just to take this on your say so?

As I said, I am willing to withdraw my assumption as you raise a perfectly rational defense. But, absent a specific denial by Assange of responsibility for the post, I am afraid logic will dictate the initial assumption is correct in the absence of evidence of a higher grade than "Just believe me!"

[Lizzie Poppet]

52. Then please understand that I see no reason to accept your claim as factual.

Frankly, I find it counter-intuitive the Assange wouldn't have the login info for the Twitter account that uses the "core branding" of the association of which he is the leader.

[Luminous Animal]

87. But you accept the OP. It is up to the accuser to prove the accusation. And there are very few

people in Wikileaks that are known to the public. This is for their protection. FYI, the current spokeperson for Wikileaks is Kristinn Hrafnsson.

[Robb]

68. Why? Do *you* run the WL Twitter account?

That would be one way you'd know. Just spitballing here, of course.

[Tarheel_Dem]

92. I'll await an "honest" answer to your query. Although, I won't be holding my breath. Afterall....

how can it be proven/disproven? I can say I'm Prince Harry. Why not? It's the internet.

[Robb]

104. You being Prince Harry would sure answer a lot of questions!

... Your highness.

[Tarheel_Dem]

108. LoL!

[Cha]

148. Do you like

skinny dipping?

[Ikonoklast]

77. That's a Dick Cheney answer.

There is no reason to believe one word you post.

Assange will disappoint you in a spectacular manner one day, and you'll wonder why you fell for it.

[Luminous Animal]

91. Actually, the onus is 100% on the accuser to prove the accusation.

FYI, I do not agree with the Wikileaks tweet (which they removed) nor do I agree with the amended tweet. I am not defending it, I am demanding honesty from DUers. I also, defended Palin, from a misogynist attacks even though I find her politics repugnant.

[struggle4progress]

75. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[SidDithers]

10. He's desperately trying to stay relevant...

We should have a pool on how long he lasts in the Ecuadoran embassy, before he gets bored and decides to give himself up to the British authorities.

Sid

[randome]

11. I say February, when either the first hint of Spring hits or...

...he hits on one too many female employees at the embassy.

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. "He's desperately trying to stay relevant..."!

And don't you find that a bit sad? I do. That's why I think he's facing some challenges that haven't been publicized. This whole persecution thing, and wanting to be the center of everyone's world, is just bizarre. He's the Glenn Beck of the left.

[Care Acutely]

63. THANK YOU. The "Glen Beck of the Left" fits perfectly.

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. They're both assholes. Hard to know which one smells worse.

[Care Acutely]

93. Depends on which one is in the vicinity I guess. I was a supervisor for the last census,

went to training for a whole week at an awful hotel that had TP with visible wood in it (but that's a story for another day) and came out to breakfast one morning to see two other supervisors sitting there hackling and cackling over what a funny cut-up that Glen Beck was while he ranted on about - - - wait for it - - - GOVERNMENT WORKERS.

I swear to Dog I almost turned around and went back to bed.

[treestar]

111. +1 I expect this to happen

at some point, when he's run out of ideas.

[Luminous Animal]

12. The tweet comes from Wikilieaks. Not Assange. Grow up.

[msanthrope]

59. Prove it. nt

[Luminous Animal]

62. The OP is making the accusation. The onus is on the OP to prove it.

[msanthrope]

66. The OP is not making any accusation. The OP quoted a news story that said Assange did it. You

claim that the news story is incorrect.

Prove it.

[Luminous Animal]

94. The OP in this case, means the original post. Assange is not currently the spokesperson for

Wikileaks is Kristinn Hrafnssons.

If I reproduced a news article that Obama wrote something that was posted on WhiteHouse.gov, it would be up to me to stand up and prove that assertion.

[msanthrope]

103. Hrafnssons was drunk tweeting AGAIN? So these other tweets are him, too? :

The days of smearing this organization are over. One by one, you’re going down



Journalists are corrupt morons flying jumbo jets loaded with entire nations. Never has a profession displayed such dangerous incompetence.


All truely professional journalists know that this is true, but refrain from saying so in an attempt to keep job prospects open.

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-internaut/i-am-a-corrupt-moron-flying-jumbo-jets-loaded-with-entire-nations-says-julian-assange/

I refer you to the full article for the rest of the lunacy. I think Julian likes to get pissed and tweet.

[treestar]

113. And does not the organization's leader have to take responsibility

for the actions of his employees, like Kristin?

If Holder said something you'd sure be blaming Obama for that.

[Luminous Animal]

119. Who is the leader of Wikileaks right now?

[treestar]

112. You're the one making the claim that the leader/founder/philospher/janitor

of WL didn't do it.

[Luminous Animal]

120. Yep. He is no longer the spokesperson.

[struggle4progress]

76. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[seabeyond]

15. fuck him. nt

[MNBrewer]

18. Thanks for providing more anti-Assange propaganda, demonstrating your bizarre obsession with him

[Luminous Animal]

24. And he had to post someone else's lie in order to smear Assange. The quoted tweet did not come from

Assange. It came from the Wikileaks twitter account which is not run by Assange.

[MNBrewer]

31. The anti-Assange is strong in this one,

and it BURRRRRRRNS!

[struggle4progress]

78. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[treestar]

115. This is just a tweet HE put out!

His own site is "anti" propaganda?

[movonne]

19. You really have a man crush on Assange...every one

of your posting is about him...at least I haven't seen any other ones.

[Luminous Animal]

22. And Assange didn't even say it. It was posted by the Wikileaks twitter account which is not Assange.

Though, I expect that the OP will not retract this disinformation.

[brentspeak]

26. Notice that the usual anti-Assange suspects are ignoring that information

What a shock.

[Luminous Animal]

33. Its to be expected. When 15% of Ohians think that Romney had something to do

with the Osama raid, I just have to live with willful ignorance.

[Kelvin Mace]

45. Well, now you've kind of insulted me and called me stupid

Here I go and accept the premise you have described (Assange did not post this, even though it comes from Wikileaks). This is perfectly reasonable defense and one I am prepared to accept, then I read down and you are accusing people of being stupid (by comparing them to Romney supporters who believe bullshit) for this assumption, or of having nefarious motives.

You do not do yourself or your case any favors by such broad sweeping statements.

[Luminous Animal]

122. Nope. I have accused you of believing that Assange said something with

no evidence whatsoever that Assange said anything.

[randome]

49. Yeah, what's your stake in Assange?

[Luminous Animal]

125. Same stake that I had with Ellsberg. I was ant-war from age 10

and regularly attacked in my community for being so. When Ellsberg sought to release Pentagon Papers , I was age 13, I was living in Delaware and surrounded by people who thought he was a traitor. My family and I believed otherwise. We were outliers. (Thank you Mom & Dad!)

Ellsberg is one of my personal heroes. He risked his life & liberty to bring truth to power. He stands with Assange and so do I.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

53. .

[IMG][/IMG]

[struggle4progress]

89. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[struggle4progress]

79. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[name not needed]

23. Fuck him.

I don't see how a bunch of cops standing around waiting to arrest somebody equates to murdering a diplomat.

[Tarheel_Dem]

30. Ding! Ding! Ding!

[Luminous Animal]

34. Welp. He didn't say it. If you had read the article you would have realized that it

was posted by the Wikileaks twitter account. Assange does not run that account.

[struggle4progress]

81. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[reformist2]

32. First Nicki Minaj, now Julian Assange...Mitt's getting all the key endorsements!

[Luminous Animal]

36. It wasn't Assange. The OP is incorrect. But I expect you know that and don't care.

Hey! Did you hear! Obama is a Kenyan!

[reformist2]

48. No, I do care. I read the first paragraph, and it sounded like he sent the tweet.

At least Romney still has Nicki's endorsement.

[Bonobo]

39. As you have pointed out, personal feelings for the man are not germane. Thanks. nt

[Curtland1015]

41. Whoever wrote that is an asshole.

If it was Assange, or someone else at Wikileaks, it certainly paints them in a bad light.

[renie408]

46. You realize this guy is just an attention whore with a giant ego, right?

What a pathetic twit, inserting himself into the events of yesterday like this.

[LadyHawkAZ]

50. ...

If you, or the person that wrote the commentary, have some evidence that the rest of us don't regarding who actually wrote the tweet, do get back to us with it.

We also accept apologies for spreading misinformation.

[MineralMan]

54. Fuck off, Assange.

Stick to what you know - yourself.

[SidDithers]

55. DU rec...nt

Sid

[msanthrope]

60. Could you or them post some proof of the statement that Assange doesn't have access to Wikileaks

twitter account?

[struggle4progress]

82. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[Care Acutely]

61. FUCK YOU JULIAN you narcissistic piece of shit.

[WilliamPitt]

64. Dumbest thing I've read all day

and I've been reading Romney all day.

Wow Fail.

[Robb]

73. @wikileaks is ... trolling.

Disappointing.

[McCamy Taylor]

84. Must have missed where the UK brought out the rocket launcher....

[Robb]

90. ...

[cynatnite]

88. Not that I'm a fan of Assange, I'd like proof that he really said this. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

96. Good luck with that. Like your average Fox News viewer, the anti-wikileaks folks

don't need no stinkin' proof. Somebody said it! So it must be true!

[cynatnite]

97. Call me an anti-wikileaks person and I am no Fox News viewer...

Just because some don't agree with wikileaks or like Assange does not mean that they're equivilant to a Fox News viewer.

All it means is that they don't agree. We've all got different opinions that can fit under the Dem party umbrella.

We do not march in lock step like the repukes and Fox News does.

[struggle4progress]

98. ... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original

coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off," Assange wrote to one of his Icelandic volunteers, Herbert Snorrason ...How WikiLeaks Blew It
The sad downfall of Julian Assange and his empire of secrets.
BY JOSHUA E. KEATING
AUGUST 16, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_wikileaks_blew_it?page=0,0

By now, it's well-documented that Assange regards himself as the creator and absolute dictator of Wikileaks:

... "Julian Assange reacted to any criticism with the allegation that I was disobedient to him and disloyal to the project" ...
12/01/2010
Dissatisfaction with Assange Former WikiLeaks Activists to Launch New Whistleblowing Site
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dissatisfaction-with-assange-former-wikileaks-activists-to-launch-new-whistleblowing-site-a-732212.html

... Several WikiLeaks members abandoned the site following perceived autocratic behaviour by Mr Assange. They said he failed to consult them on many decisions and put himself front and centre of everything WikiLeaks did ... "You are not anyone's king or god," Mr Domscheit-Berg told Mr Assange in an online chat, a transcript of which was obtained and published by Wired.com. "And you're not even fulfilling your role as a leader right now. A leader communicates and cultivates trust in himself. You are doing the exact opposite. You behave like some kind of emperor or slave trader."
Mr Assange shot back, saying he was suspending Mr Domscheit-Berg for a month and that if he wanted to appeal, "you will be heard on Tuesday" ...
Anger at 'slave trader' Assange: WikiLeaks loyalists decide to break away
December 10, 2010
Asher Moses
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/anger-at-slave-trader-assange-wikileaks-loyalists-decide-to-break-away-20101210-18s0w.html

Unpublished Iraq War Logs Trigger Internal WikiLeaks Revolt
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
09.27.10 9:07 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

He has been asked to step down temporarily, until the sexual accusations can be resolved, but he has refused:

.... "I think it would be very good for WikiLeaks if there was another spokesperson or even many spokespersons," said Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who, with WikiLeaks' help, recently launched an initiative to make Iceland a safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers.
"It would be convenient if he <Assange> would step aside as a spokesman," she told AFP, stressing, however, that "he has my support in all the other parts he plays in WikiLeaks."
"I think it is always a bit dangerous to mix personal matters and to be a spokesperson for a movement like <WikiLeaks>," said the 43-year-old media freedom champion, who in June oversaw the passing of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) ...
Iceland MP: Assange should resign
Published: 8 Sep 10 08:03 CET
http://www.thelocal.se/28840/20100908/

Here's the bottom line:

This tweet doesn't come from a professional organization, devoted to government transparency. The tweet is unprofessional, and the tweet isn't about government transparency -- it's about the personal problems of the dude who controls the organization. And since he runs the organization with an iron fist, he's clearly responsible for whatever the organization sends out

[cynatnite]

100. Well, I meant that his actual name was attached. n/t

[struggle4progress]

102. Well, it's his secret organization, and he ran off everbody who questioned him -- so I can't see

what-the-fuck difference it would make whether or not he wrote and sent the tweet, because the mess falls in his lap no matter how I parse it

[msanthrope]

106. I wonder who did these drunk tweets---

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-internaut/i-am-a-corrupt-moron-flying-jumbo-jets-loaded-with-entire-nations-says-julian-assange/

I think if it was anyone other than Assange, shouldn't they have been fired?

[Cleita]

99. The OP has a thing about Assange and

will put up anything that disparages him even if it's not true or if half the facts are missing. You won't get proof on this thread.

[BootinUp]

101. Someone needs to tweet back "Recommend increasing the dosage for Assange, No good? Then decrease!

I don't use twitter.

[Tarheel_Dem]

107. !!!

[msanthrope]

109. Some more tweets that nobody wants to claim ownership of--

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-internaut/i-am-a-corrupt-moron-flying-jumbo-jets-loaded-with-entire-nations-says-julian-assange/

[Tarheel_Dem]

117. Aw Jeez. You think they were "hacked"?

[msanthrope]

123. If by 'hacked' you mean 'drank a shit-load of whiskey and posted crap in the middle of the night'

then, yes, they got hacked.

[Tarheel_Dem]

124. !!!

[treestar]

110. If there's a way he can make it about him, he will

regardless of the absurdity of it!

[Comrade_McKenzie]

114. Shame on you for using this tragedy to promote your hatred of Assange. nt

[Cleita]

127. Yes, this poster has no shame.

I keep wondering if she's an ex-girlfriend of Assange's who got dumped by him. She seems very bitter making post after post deriding him. I don't consider Assange a gem. He's a scumbag, but hell hath no fury like this attacker of Assange has.

[Bonobo]

116. Wow, so you just out and out lied, huh?

You should be ashamed.

Apparently there is no evidence that this was tweeted by Assange at all.

[struggle4progress]

126. I posted a short excerpt with a link. YMMV

[Cleita]

130. She don't need no stinkin' evidence.

No matter what facts you present, she will move on and find something new to attack him with.

[struggle4progress]

135. The link does include screen-shots:

[Bonobo]

144. What's with the "puzzlement" icon?

You are claiming Assange said it.

There is no reason to assume that he did.

That is why people are calling you out for passing along false information.

YMMV.

[Hamlette]

133. I am so F***ing sick of him I could barf. What a prima donna. His 15 minutes are long over. n/t