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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 08:55 PM Apr 2020

Experts Think The U.S. COVID-19 Death Toll Will Hit 50,000 By The End Of April

Over the past week, the number of deaths thought to be caused by COVID-19 has nearly doubled, from about 16,000 to 30,000. New York City changed the way it counts its death toll on Tuesday to include people who did not receive a positive COVID-19 test but who were likely to have died from the virus. That increased the number of the city’s coronavirus death estimate by 3,700 to more than 10,000.

The number of cases and fatalities continue to change rapidly, so to get a better understanding of where they’re headed, we’ve been following a weekly survey of infectious-disease researchers from institutions around the U.S.

This week’s survey, conducted April 13 and 14, shows that the expert consensus is that reported deaths will increase to around 47,000 by May 1, although they think there could be as many as 82,000 by that time. The experts also think fatalities are most likely to peak in May, but they still see about a 1 in 3 chance that deaths won’t peak until June or later. They also expect that between eight and 11 states will report more than 1,000 deaths by May 1.

The survey — organized by Thomas McAndrew and Nicholas Reich, both biostatisticians at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst — asks experts to either assign a probability to an outcome or to give a most-likely, best-case and worst-case estimate. Structuring the survey in this way lets the organizers generate probabilistic consensus forecasts, a tool that can answer questions about how likely various scenarios are.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/experts-think-the-u-s-covid-19-death-toll-will-hit-50000-by-the-end-of-april/

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Experts Think The U.S. COVID-19 Death Toll Will Hit 50,000 By The End Of April (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2020 OP
Today 4/18..It's already close to 40,000... HipChick Apr 2020 #1
The premature reopening and relaxation of distancing measures will make things worse wishstar Apr 2020 #2
Which would those be? n/t Igel Apr 2020 #29
I suspect the POS will begin disputing these numbers by then, calling them "fake news, created sop Apr 2020 #3
they are already spreading the conspiracy that the numbers are inflated. Thomas Hurt Apr 2020 #6
After today's Wellstone ruled Apr 2020 #4
Easily 60k+ by end of the month unblock Apr 2020 #5
At this rate we'll hit Trump's Failure Threshold Number (100k deaths) in short order. sop Apr 2020 #7
My estimate is closer to 60,000 by the end of April. nt Blue_true Apr 2020 #8
You won't be far wrong, I'd reckon. OnDoutside Apr 2020 #28
My best guess is that (50K) will be the count about April 24 or 25th. Then Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #9
Your claim is EXTRAordinary. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. live love laugh Apr 2020 #11
Your line is bogus. 1) I'm on record, see my Journal. 2) Called on it, I supply evidence: see my Jou Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #12
Finally, my post is clearly stated as a "best guess". Unlike your post elsewhere, it is not a CLAIM Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #13
You title it a "claim" not me. I have a right to my opinion live love laugh Apr 2020 #14
Word "claim" or synonym do not appear in post you are attacking. Don't invent stuff Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #15
Your words: "Your claim is EXTRAordinary." live love laugh Apr 2020 #16
That's in the other thread. Duh. Take it up there. Don't drag that in here. Cheap Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #17
And now you want to tell me where to post? You're live love laugh Apr 2020 #19
Here is the link to your exraordinary claim in the other thread, that you have no evidence for Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #20
Whatever happened to 60K by the end of Summer? OhioChick Apr 2020 #10
41,400 At 4pm EDT, Sunday. ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #18
That model wasn't doing so bad as long as we were social distancing... Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #23
I Think It Was Understated Bear ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #27
NYC alone added a bunch of deaths Igel Apr 2020 #30
All Valid ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author JCMach1 Apr 2020 #21
Given the recent "protests" I expect there will be a spike in cases in 1-2 weeks... Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #22
i am no expert but it's a safe bet we will hit 50,000 before the end of April. LisaL Apr 2020 #24
Especially with all that reopening and protester nonsense. ananda Apr 2020 #26
It's over 40K today! ananda Apr 2020 #25

sop

(10,165 posts)
3. I suspect the POS will begin disputing these numbers by then, calling them "fake news, created
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 09:08 PM
Apr 2020

by the Democrat party to make Trump look bad."

I'm surprised he hasn't done so already.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. After today's
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 09:10 PM
Apr 2020

idiots on the beaches,that might be a low number.

Please folks,remember is was 68k + for Vietnam. This is the Orange Anus Nam. Private Last Class Bone Spurs will be known as,Donald J Trump,killer of Tens of Thousands.

Heck of a job,Asshole!

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
9. My best guess is that (50K) will be the count about April 24 or 25th. Then
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 09:40 PM
Apr 2020

Then I worry about a spike developing and being noticed around then. It may be confirmed on 3-day moving averages a couple of days later, around the 27th. My guess is that it would be detectable in national data but far from obvious and a blow up at the local levels. It would take longer to confirm at the national level, needing say 7 day moving averages?

Source of spike? This weekend's throngs worry me as superspreaders. The protests are bad enough, but you know a number of churches will be full or fairly well attended on Sunday. Will physical distancing be observed? Hmm. Will there be no singing? That is possibly the main mechanism of spreading in churches according to a DU post. Makes sense: all exhale and all inhale, making a large air volume mixture. Places are going to have good weather and barbecues and lots of "Oh hi Jenny" half hour convos.

Anyway, it would not surprise me if a number of alarm bells are ringing at the end of April just as El Puffy-in-Chief is getting ready to crow about "opening up" May 1. His handlers may be able to get him shut up, but he may end up feeling very peeved and wounded.

I don't know. I am not an epidemiologist. I just worry that if the trumpanzees are ever going to wake up, they may need to be shocked badly by a spanking from reality that they can't deny: dead people they know. It is that bad inside the cult.

live love laugh

(13,101 posts)
11. Your claim is EXTRAordinary. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:25 PM
Apr 2020

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You have presented NO EVIDENCE.

Extraordinary claims with no evidence can be dismissed correctly with no evidence.

Your claim (or prediction or whatever) is dismissed.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
12. Your line is bogus. 1) I'm on record, see my Journal. 2) Called on it, I supply evidence: see my Jou
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 04:59 PM
Apr 2020

Here is the link to my Journal post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13306374

3) You are upset because I correctly called you out on your claim in another thread, where you still have not presented evidence, so you take up cudgels here. That is cheap.

Your post re broken tests:

I think that this is by design. Lowers the count. nt

My response:
Your claim is EXTRAordinary. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
You have presented NO EVIDENCE.
Extraordinary claims with no evidence can be dismissed correctly with no evidence.
Your claim is dismissed.

Hours later you still refuse to present evidence and respond:
But incompetence TOTALLY explains bad tests? nt

My response:
Yes. You have only a supposition. A supposition is not evidence & your claim is extraordinary
You've had ample opportunity.
You have no evidence.
Claim dismissed.


Around the same time you show up here all aggrieved and hurt to respond to my reasoned analysis that does include facts with your attack post.

....

Here is the text of my Journal post. The fact (evidence) is that there are already at least 37,000 deaths. Further evidence is the hard-edged calculations. The assumption (yes assumptions clearly stated as such) posit an immediate six week or four week decline. To presume an even faster decline would be extraordinary, so I don't posit that:

There are already 37,000 deaths. It won't be 25% of the current rate for 3 months

The rate of new deaths seems to have declined to less than 7% per day, a good sign. If it is 6% for a week, then 5% for a week, the 4, 3, 2, 1 ... six weeks.

1.06 ^ 7 = 1.50. Times 37,000 = 54,600
1.05 ^ 7 = 1.47. Times 54,600 = 80,700
1.04 ^ 7 = 1.31. Times 80,700 = 106,000
1.03 ^ 7 = 1.23. Times 106,000 = 130,000
1.02 ^ 7 = 1.15. Times 130,000 = 149,000
1.01 ^ 7 = 1.07. Times 149,000 = 160,000

If we do better: Four weeks ago there were 100 deaths. If we posit we are at the peak and can have a four week decline ahead of us, ...

1.055 ^ 7 = 1.45. Times 37,000 = 53,800
1.040 ^ 7 = 1.31. Times 53,800 = 70,500
1.025 ^ 7 = 1.19. Times 70,500 = 83,800
1.010 ^ 7 = 1.07. Times 83,800 = 89,700

(I have retained extra digits in my calculations, so yours probably won't match digit for digit but should be very similar).

So my best case is at least 90,000 deaths. I think it is more likely to be the first scenario, perhaps 160,000 deaths. But it could easily be more depending on how red hatters roll the dice in the next 10 to 14 days. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13306154 We could be soon into a second wave, a red hat wave and go beyond 160,000.

....

They are showing signs of blowing up (rapid climb in infections). This hasn't and can't (at this stage) penetrate the awareness of baggers, except perhaps that plant in South Dakota. The Wisconsin data is showing that infection starts up again 5 days later and is detected a couple of days after (lab test round trip) and confirmed a couple days later when 3 day moving average confirms it. Call it 10 days.

With the body bagger movement pushing and tRump et al, there will full churches in lots of places for the next two weekends. Then about April 27 alarm bells will be ringing in surprising places. However the lag in awareness for the red hatters will be one to five days later. Right about when tRump will crowing about "opening up" and people will surging together in groups as if released and not ready to tolerate the slightest bit of physical distancing.

By then it will be too late.



....

I'm on record.
What have you got?
Nothing.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
15. Word "claim" or synonym do not appear in post you are attacking. Don't invent stuff
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:42 PM
Apr 2020

Your opinion that you have a right to is bogus and indefensible. Especially if all you can do is lie about what was written.

You still have not submitted evidence for the extraordinary claim you made in the post in the other thread that you are hurt and aggrieved about because you were called on it. You've had ample opportunity.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
17. That's in the other thread. Duh. Take it up there. Don't drag that in here. Cheap
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:47 PM
Apr 2020

You objected to my post here and then talked about me using the word claim. The only interpretation is that you are applying the word claim to the post you are objecting to, here.

live love laugh

(13,101 posts)
19. And now you want to tell me where to post? You're
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:53 PM
Apr 2020

hilarious. Newsflash: you don’t own this message board.

I will post my opinions wherever I choose —and you can retitle them as a “claim” or whatever you like. IDGAF and if you don’t like it there’s an ignore feature for that.

OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
10. Whatever happened to 60K by the end of Summer?
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 09:49 PM
Apr 2020

Looks like we're going to hit 60K real soon. I can't fathom what the numbers will be by the end of Summer.

ProfessorGAC

(65,001 posts)
18. 41,400 At 4pm EDT, Sunday.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:48 PM
Apr 2020

That's over 3k and the day's not over. I think the entire model that projected 60,439 (yeah, they put out a prediction to the units) needs to be scrapped and they need to start over.
Remember, they revised it down twice!!! No solid explanation why. Just supposed to believe them because they're smart.
To steal Wilford Brimley's line in "Absence of Malice": " Don't get too smart. Pretty smart myself!"

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
23. That model wasn't doing so bad as long as we were social distancing...
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:18 PM
Apr 2020

Now, with all the "protests" I expect there will be a spike in cases in 1-2 weeks, and a spike in fatalities 1-2 weeks after that.

ProfessorGAC

(65,001 posts)
27. I Think It Was Understated Bear
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:28 PM
Apr 2020

I think the 80k before they adjusted it made more sense given very simple extension of growth curves & regional abatements. Right now, the smoothed average is >1,000 per day.
Hotspots are bubbling up in rural states. Nebraskans were surprised what happened in a few of their counties over the last few days. It's still 111 days until August.
For 60k to be fulfilled, it has to fall to an average of 180/day. It's over 3k now. That sudden of a 94%+ drop is Rosily optimistic.
I share your concern about the protests & rush to reopen.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
30. NYC alone added a bunch of deaths
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:58 PM
Apr 2020

when they were running the calculations for this iteration.

And those deaths needed to be accurately distributed among previous days' numbers--but weren't.

Of course the projection for 60k is wrong. It's based on merging the actual data fit a standard sort of curve. But then the data collection process was altered on a given date, so all the data after that date couldn't be compared with the data before that date. The data that had been used was suddenly declared to be off by fairly large overall number and a quick fix added.

Then you have additional states adopting the new metric over a few days, so the damage isn't just on one day.



They revised it down twice for fairly obvious reasons. The "best guess" numbers were typically less than the daily numbers being reported. Why double down on wrong, when the model itself tries to use current data to adjust later projections. A lot of the daily numbers were wrong--but overall, more were under than over, so the curve was being flattened more than anticipated.

ProfessorGAC

(65,001 posts)
31. All Valid
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:17 AM
Apr 2020

But, my concern is that this particular model is being treated as it came from a burning bush.
The numbers are becoming a matter of faith & hope, not science & math.
Hence my pique.

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Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
22. Given the recent "protests" I expect there will be a spike in cases in 1-2 weeks...
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:17 PM
Apr 2020

and a spike in deaths 1-2 weeks after that.

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