This is not going to end soon, nor will it end well. (Edited)

[A HERETIC I AM]

I have a feeling that we will have a “second wave” like they did in 1918, and like what happened back then, when there were still deaths from the Flu 2 years later, this will be the same.

I’ve said in conversation with others that if anyone expects some “All Clear” siren, they’re fooling themselves.

The only thing close to an ALL CLEAR will be when there is obvious herd immunity that lasts and/or a vaccine that is as easy to get as the Polio vaccine.

With all these fucking geniuses gathering to protest the damned liberals nasty agenda designed to keep them healthy (HOW DARE those liberal governors!), there is going to be a second wave, much worse than the one we currently have.

I also predict that when all is said, done and tolled, this country will have well over a half million deaths from this, if not over a million.

Edit to add this;

I said in this thread that there will be specific demographics that will suffer the most.

I also said in this post that there could be food shortages. Several people pilloried me for that.

If you like Pork products, buy extra now. Buy canned goods and if you have the capacity, buy and freeze milk. Buy frozen vegetables if you have the storage capacity.

This is by no means over. The fucking dipshit Governor down here in Florida opened the fucking beaches. Numerous states have exempted churches and other religious services from the ban on large gatherings.

I absolutely guarantee the ones that will stay home the longest and will survive in greater numbers will be the liberals and progressives - in other words, the people that actually THINK and are not members of a fucking cult.

[dewsgirl]

1. I think you are spot on...unfortunately.😕

[mitch96]

2. And you KNOW der tRumpenMeister will blame everybody else BUT himself for the problem..

If we get a "second wave" of infections and death I believe it will be the nails in the coffin for his
terror... The problem is I think MSM is so addicted to his insanity and rhetoric he will be blabbing on for years... Think sniping from the sidelines like Hannity and Limbaugh et al...
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[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. I too see a "second wave" becoming noticeable near the end of the month, due to

... due to the covidiots congregating this weekend and next, especially in some churches but not limited to that.

It really is part of the first wave because those areas are generally lower down on the curve.

I would call a second wave if it appears after some restrictions are lifted sometime in May.

But it's not really about semantics. It's about tRump killing people.

[The River]

4. A Rollercoaster Curve

As it goes down, the fools rush out and the curve goes back up.
Rinse and repeat until ?

[Alex4Martinez]

5. Regarding food shortages, these already exist and the market and consumers will adapt

Oddly, I can buy fresh strawberries but can't find canned tomatoes.

Our meat sections and produce are well stocked, but one can't find flour or yeast.

The supply chain for these commodities was very efficient and specific to the blends of both tastes and needs, homebuyers and commercial restaurant needs.

What happened with paper goods is happening with foodstuffs, and we will adapt in both cases:

We will eat differently until such time as the food supply chains adapt, but we won't (or shouldn't have to) go hungry.

I don't think you deserved being pilloried, but advise against panicked buying, which happened with toilet paper even before anyone warned against shortages.

There's plenty for everyone if we adapt, I hope that producers will adapt soon, that we won't see so much tragic waste.

Cheers.

[Boomer]

12. TP shortages were real, not the result of panicked buying

This misconception needs to end, because it distorts the nature of the problems ahead.

Residential TP is experiencing a REAL manufacturing shortage because so many people are now working from home. The company that manufacture residential toilet paper is an entirely different industrial sector from those that manufacture TP for business and institution customers. Different production capacity, different sales contracts and different delivery mechanisms.

Our economy is filled with these types of very specific supply-demand expectations, all fitted into a Just-in-Time methodology that leaves us uniquely unprepared for disruptions and dramatic shifts in usage.

[Alex4Martinez]

16. There was panicked buying, full stop. Same with masks.

There was also the shift in demand from commercial to residential types of TP, such that there are stacks and stacks of commercial paper with nowhere to go.

The two causes, hoarding and changes in market, are not mutually exclusive.

This all makes my point, the producers can adapt to changes in demand, but not overnight.

There will be food, it might be different food than consumers are used to consuming, but there will be food.

And, in time, the providers can adapt such that much of the market will be as it was.

[uponit7771]

26. But it was NOT panic buying or hording that caused 97% of the shortages. I'm getting my ...

... information first hand that works in the grocery supply market and what the poster said is true; manufactures were not set for a 30% increase in TP home used where some of the TP Is made with 100% virgin cotton.

They are still not, most haven't changed over either because they're being lied to about the longevity of what we're going through.

Its worse with food; a good portion of food products are set for manufacturing not grocery store resale

[luvtheGWN]

14. About milk:

Dairy farmers in the US and Canada are having to dump excess milk because the demand has gone down significantly -- restaurants, schools, colleges all closed. But cows still gotta be milked.

Processors are debating whether or not to change direction and produce more cheese (I say YES!).

But the concern over pork, chicken and beef is real, because of plant workers being infected with Covid-19. If you can source private, small rural producers all the better. It helps small farmers stay in business and your food stuffs will be safe.

[Alex4Martinez]

18. I say yes to producing more cheese, and proteins can be cured, dried, etc.

I love jerky of all types, provided they don't add sugars, which they almost invariably do. sigh.

But when I find no-carb jerky I buy it up.

[quaker bill]

7. it is sounding like there may be a treatment

the results are promising but still tentative. If it works as well as early data suggests, it will still be a while to ramp up production. Currently it is administered by infusion, so at least an out patient procedure that would at first be limited to the most ill. It does offer some hope.

[HAB911]

8. We must protect ourselves at all cost and

let them commit suicide

[2naSalit]

9. Glad I was already

a reclusive type. I can, because I no longer work, stay home infinitely. I also started a bunch if seeds to get ready for a huge garden this summer. I'll be doing canning and dehydrating a lot of food this summer.

[Butterflylady]

10. I agree

Let them become expandable. I'm sorry but enough is enough. If they don't care why should we?

[Curtis]

11. Sadly, I agree

Even my daughter blocked me on FB last night because I called her out on her decision to keep shopping for her landscape project. I told her that the stay at home order in Riverside County, CA is not there for her to catch up on landscaping projects and to give her time to go to Lowes and Home Depot to pick out her rose bushes. She got mad and blocked me.

Of course she is also excited about getting her 3 kids back out into the world so their immune system can get strengthened and do what it's supposed to do. And, she wants my wife and I to jump on a plane even though we're both in the high risk group because of health issues.

People 🙄

[LeftInTX]

33. She blocked you?????

That's sad. She sounds like an anti-vaxxer

I'm a Master Gardener and all this gardening stuff is driving me crazy. My daughter got on a gardening kick and planted fescue in Austin...(It will die)

Our hotline is getting record calls....I told the Extension Agency I really don't want to answer calls at home. (We're volunteers) I have no problem with routine calls, but we've had knee jerk gardeners before and I just don't want to hear the complaints. It's too late to plant most vegetables in Texas right now...I don't want tell people they're making mistakes by planting so late......

[ChoosenWisely]

13. Second wave to start

soon after Mother's Day.

[NoMoreRepugs]

15. Live in N Florida. Wearing my N95 mask and gloves went

to local Home Depot for irrigation pipe and fittings. Line of 10-12 cars to get into the jammed parking lot. Drove past the entrance, possibly 50 customers waiting to get in spaced at 6 foot intervals. Decided the rain could keep everything alive.

[progressoid]

28. Same thing at our H Depot and Menards.

Parking lot was overflowing yesterday. Line outside with people sort of social distanced waiting their turn. It looked like the bread lines in the USSR.

This is going to be a long tough haul.

[pandr32]

17. How can we give the "all clear" without testing?

The numbers we're getting are only part of the story. DT and his crime family are busy trying to gaslight the reality of this while they loot our resources and treasury. They are predators and pirates.

Denying realty and scapegoating honorable people and groups has worked so far, so this is the plan right up to the election where DT is counting on his tricks and Putin's help to give him four more years to pillage what is left.

[LeftInTX]

34. We can't

Texas is looking at available hospital beds. We're doing much better with hospital beds and ventilators and anticipated. They figure they can increase medical treatment of non-covid patients due to available beds. Currently important non-covid conditions are being ignored. Your health conditions, beside Covid 19, is also important. Sure this may increase the number of cases, but Texas feels they have the hospital beds available. So, it isn't "an clear".

[Texin]

19. "If you like Pork products, buy extra now". Yeah. Well, good luck with that.

I've tried to get pork sausage and I ordered a bottom (or top) round steak last week and couldn't get any meat product except ground turkey breast -- and that was nearly three weeks ago. I never thought that I wouldn't be able to buy fresh chicken or turkey, but I was rudely awakened. I bought a couple of cases (24 count) of Swanson chunk chicken breast (it's what I have for lunch every day, yes, I know I'm weird), and good luck finding any of those still around. I bought those cases in mid-February. And I would buy loose cans in lots of about a dozen at Walmart (and I'd buy their Great Value brand of the same product), as well. The stores are mostly sold out of this, or if they have them, they only allow a customer to buy two of any in-stock product like these items per person.

I expect the availability of fresh meat products to all but vanish. Those packing plants have always been dangerous for the workers, deadly, in fact. But the virus will rip through their ranks because of the density of employees in a confined space.

I don't think people are actually buying and hoarding fresh meat/fish, etc., because realistically they couldn't have a freezer with enough capacity to do that.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

20. Every point you make is spot on.

[Fritz Walter]

21. We -- AHIA and yours truly -- are now being called "FloridaMorons"

Not us personally, but we're now part of a wild herd that is becoming less and less likely to develop immunity.

Just two days ago, the mayor of Jacksonville (where I live now) re-opened the beaches. Visitors were supposed to follow time and activity guidelines, presumably including social distancing. Well, they got the "time" right, but nothing else. And the only reason they didn't fuck that up was because the city workers didn't take down the barricades until the appointed hour. Second wave could be a tsunami. (I should probably change my avatar, huh?)

As the WaPo article points out, the re-opening day coincided with the highest covid death count ever. It's slowly declining again, but these numbers are probably underreported since testing is still not available in many areas.

I'm determined to survive this, and if that means long-term isolation, so be it. Six feet apart is better than six feet under!

[A HERETIC I AM]

23. I'm within 2500' of the corner of Wilson and Blanding. (Edited)

I’m 60. 61 May 6th

I don’t really give a fuck anymore, frankly


I’m a COPD patient, OK? I just don’t give a fuck anymore. I am in a seriously high risk group.

I enjoy life, please don’t get me wrong, but my best days are behind me.

I’m not going to win the Mega Millions and live out the rest of my days in an overwater villa in Bora Bora.

That’s just not how it is going to end for me, I know it.

I’ll be very pleased if I can simply guide the truck I’ll be driving at the time to the breakdown lane on my right, and stop it completely as I slide slowly into oblivion without hurting anyone else. Of this I am frankly committed. I have made the arrangements to forward my carcass toward medical science, thus reducing any burden on my family for disposition .

In short, if shit hits the fan, I’m fucked./

And I’m fine with that.

[Fritz Walter]

24. I'm an Avond-alien. Hi, neighbor!

Moved here — to the working-class section of the historical (and sometimes hysterical) neighborhood— in ‘01, with no desire to move again. Yeah, we have an abundance of morons here, I try not to sink to their level.

BTW, I’m 66, with COPD, and a cancer survivor (so far). And my immune system isn’t what it used to be. So, likewise at high risk. But I’ve survived tornadoes, more tropical storms and hurricanes that I can name/number, the statewide forest fires of ‘98, and even a couple of haz-mat incidents. No illusions about my vulnerability, but determined to outlive the monsters currently ruining things at the local, state and federal levels.

Hang in there!

[rocktivity]

22. It can at least begin to end now that it's possible to do fast and simple mass testing

Herd immunity will work that much better if the asymptomatic and newly infected can be found and quarantined before they can infect others. Fortunately, the FDA has just approved such a test:
https://yourhhrsnews.com/mass-coronavirus-testing-debuts-in-edison-the-rest-of-the-us-next/

And without mass testing, I agree that it's only a matter of time before our food supply chains begin to fracture:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142474131


rocktivity

[uponit7771]

27. We were told mass testing from Abbot would be in force by now and its not, when the grocery store

... clerk gets tested on an ongoing bases then I'll think all clear.

[DesertRat]

25. A problem we all live with

[progressoid]

29. +1

[I_UndergroundPanther]

30. Great graphic

I just hope those pushing against the scientists nurses etc. Die off.
We don't need those people putting the population in danger.

[burrowowl]

37. Great graphic

[mopinko]

31. i got kicked around on fb by someone in the small farm distribution business.

shared a link to a local small farmer trying to sell csa's. i said people who think there will be no disruption to the food chain should take the opportunity to shore it up by supporting small farmers now.
this was someone i usually agree w, but it went quite a few rounds. she still insisted that she knew farmers, and there would be no disruptions. i offered a wager, but she didnt want to put her money down.

me, i, am expecting to have quite a year.

[Grasswire2]

32. I have to note that the Kroger powdered milk does taste just fine.

Even better if you have some fresh half and half to stir in.

I'm going to be buying a lot of that soon.

I have ten pounds of my favorite butter.

Twenty pounds of whole wheat flour.

Getting a start.

Bob's Red Mill is a good place to order grains and stuff, when they get restocked again. Quality products.

[denbot]

35. I am afraid of coming off the road and killing my wife.

I turned 62 a couple of weeks ago, and am doing my best to stay uninfected but I doubt I have a snowballs chance of that happening.

Right now my truck is being unloaded on the north end of Jacksonville FL. This area is under a tornado watch, being hit by one may prove to be my best shot at dodging COVAD-19..

[A HERETIC I AM]

36. I'm west of you headed to Tallahassee right now

I went under that storm system around midnight. I’m on a relay that went from Tallahassee to Biloxi and back.

Stay safe