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Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:13 PM

A Beloved Bar Owner Was Skeptical About the Virus. Then He Took a Cruise. NYT

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Joe Joyce, left, the owner of JJ Bubbles, a popular neighborhood bar in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, with his family in the 1980s.


Decades before he would embark on a cruise to the Mediterranean, confident that the coronavirus would have little to do with him, Joe Joyce was known to the world as a social creature, the kind who would do well on a boat full of strangers.

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On March 1, Joe Joyce and his wife, Jane, set sail for Spain on a cruise, flying first to Florida. His adult children — Kevin, Eddie and Kristen Mider — suggested that the impending doom of the coronavirus made this a bad idea. Joe Joyce was 74, a nonsmoker, healthy; four years after he opened his bar he stopped drinking completely. He didn’t see the problem.

“He watched Fox, and believed it was under control,’’ Kristen told me.

Early in March Sean Hannity went on air proclaiming that he didn’t like the way that the American people were getting scared “unnecessarily.’’ He saw it all, he said, “as like, let’s bludgeon Trump with this new hoax.”

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He and his wife then headed to their house in New Hampshire. Their children were checking in from New York and New Jersey, and on March 27, when Kristen got off the phone with her father, she called an ambulance. He was wheezing. His oxygen level turned out to be a dangerously low 70 percent. On April 9, he died of Covid-19. The following day, Artie Nelson, one of his longtime bartenders at JJ Bubbles, and also in his 70s, died of the virus as well.


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Reply A Beloved Bar Owner Was Skeptical About the Virus. Then He Took a Cruise. NYT (Original post)
mzmolly Apr 2020 OP
dhol82 Apr 2020 #1
mzmolly Apr 2020 #3
dhol82 Apr 2020 #6
Cha Apr 2020 #10
mzmolly Apr 2020 #24
Hortensis Apr 2020 #30
iemitsu Apr 2020 #2
mzmolly Apr 2020 #4
dalton99a Apr 2020 #5
dhol82 Apr 2020 #7
sheshe2 Apr 2020 #9
dhol82 Apr 2020 #12
Newest Reality Apr 2020 #8
Harker Apr 2020 #11
dhol82 Apr 2020 #13
Harker Apr 2020 #23
mzmolly Apr 2020 #32
Harker Apr 2020 #48
niyad Apr 2020 #15
dawg day Apr 2020 #17
dhol82 Apr 2020 #36
donkeypoofed Apr 2020 #21
onecaliberal Apr 2020 #14
lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #18
renate Apr 2020 #16
cayugafalls Apr 2020 #19
Mr. Ected Apr 2020 #20
Iggo Apr 2020 #27
Celerity Apr 2020 #22
samnsara Apr 2020 #25
Initech Apr 2020 #58
gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #26
lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #28
mzmolly Apr 2020 #31
lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #34
mzmolly Apr 2020 #39
lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #41
mzmolly Apr 2020 #43
UCmeNdc Apr 2020 #29
Hestia Apr 2020 #62
bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #33
lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #42
bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #46
UpInArms Apr 2020 #35
mzmolly Apr 2020 #40
IronLionZion Apr 2020 #37
Initech Apr 2020 #57
Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #38
lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #44
subana Apr 2020 #45
SouthernCal_Dem Apr 2020 #47
Evolve Dammit Apr 2020 #49
JI7 Apr 2020 #50
RedSpartan Apr 2020 #51
catbyte Apr 2020 #52
warmfeet Apr 2020 #53
Initech Apr 2020 #54
mzmolly Apr 2020 #55
Initech Apr 2020 #56
Tarheel_Dem Apr 2020 #59
Kaleva Apr 2020 #60
Dorian Gray Apr 2020 #61

Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:15 PM

1. That was a good article. And really sad.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:17 PM

3. Very.

Trump has blood on his hands, as do the cultists who anchor the 'news' at Fox.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:18 PM

6. Yup.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:27 PM

10. Oh yeah.. that is so plain.. that sean hannity et al on

fox, who promoted that the CV was a "hoax", to make trump look bad, are FUBAR Stupid and have people's Blood on their slimy hands.

Thank you for this cautionary tale, mzmolly.

StaySafe!

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Response to Cha (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:59 PM

24. You stay safe as well

my friend.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:17 PM

30. Yes. Sums it up as well as anything. nt

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:16 PM

2. Won't be the last story like this that we hear.

Sad but predictable.

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Response to iemitsu (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:17 PM

4. Agree.

Sigh.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:17 PM

5. He believed Dear Leader.



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Response to dalton99a (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:19 PM

7. Too many out there like him.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:26 PM

9. Just look at the demonstations.

He wants his followers to die for him.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:29 PM

12. Sucks. Bigly.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:19 PM

8. Sad!

Maybe this tragedy will at least serve to get those in denial out of their clouds and more serious about the measure to prevent exposure and infection. It is time to get real about this if we want to recover.

More, human interest stories like this would be helpful and there are plenty of them to be told.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:28 PM

11. Yes. Putting names and faces

and stories to the death toll makes the numbers more real. And larger.

I once asked a holocaust denier if "only" 500,000 were murdered, would that be okay?

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Response to Harker (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:29 PM

13. What he say?

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:59 PM

23. Nothing intelligible, as I recall it 35 years on.

He stammered and blustered a little, and quickly left me alone, which was what I wanted most at the time.

I hope he later considered the proposition.

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Response to Harker (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:22 PM

32. Good

question.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 07:12 PM

48. Some people can't seem to understand huge numbers...

or that a coldly efficient, murderous regime did that quite recently.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:43 PM

15. Sorry, but no. The damned sheeples will say that the stories are fake, written to smear

Ole donnie bodybags.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:47 PM

17. Do you think it would move Hannity at all to read this?

Probably not. He and Limbaugh and the rest are mini-sociopaths in the wake of the maxi-sociopath Trump.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:34 PM

36. Not so much sociopaths as looking out for their paycheck.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:57 PM

21. I'm sorta hoping people stop watching Fox "News"

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:30 PM

14. Trump knows he losing his own voters, right?

Or is it more that he thinks it’s okay because black and brown people get it and die from the virus at much more elevated rate. I hope people sue faux spews and their hosts personally. The shit they spew daily is deadly.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:48 PM

18. I think he's more worried about losing his "business" right now.

And what he perceives as his "good name."

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:47 PM

16. I wonder whether it would be more effective to blame Fox than Trump

After all, they’re the real problem. And Trump’s worshipers will never blame him.

But if (as is true) a fair share of blame is laid at Hannity’s door, it wouldn’t be a bad thing—for democracy and to slow the spread of the virus—if he and the other people yelling and whining on Fox became the faces of failure.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:48 PM

19. For a dump supporter he sounded like a decent guy. So sad.

To bad his buddy in the WH doesn't care about people...at all.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:49 PM

20. I wonder how many innocents he took out and no one even knows it

These protesting assholes are like drunk drivers. Get drunk enough and get on the road, honestly, I don't care if you wrap yourself around a tree. But it ain't just you on the road, and you're likely to take out someone else, and that's why you are a MURDERER if you flaunt the rules and hurt innocent people.

You don't have the right to make that decision for me!

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #20)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:08 PM

27. At least one, looks like.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:57 PM

22. wow

“He said, ‘Don’t you think this is fishy? Do you know anyone who has it? Do you know anyone who has died from it?’ And I said, ‘Dad, I don’t know anyone now, but give me a week and I bet I will.’”


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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:06 PM

25. dont mess with viruses...hubby and i canceled our one and only trip..

..to Jamaica because of the Zika virus...

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Response to samnsara (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 09:40 PM

58. I canceled a trip to Vancouver and a trip to Maui.

Both this year. Cost about $5,000 total in plane fares and hotels. Thankfully the plane fares are on hold for now and the hotels I was able to cancel and get everything back but about $50. It sucks but it will be allowed to resume at some point.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:06 PM

26. Get your news from a source who filed court papers that say false statements

are protected as free speech. Could be dangerous to your health.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:14 PM

28. It's only a matter of time before every frumper loses a loved one to this democratic "hoax."

If they really believed we could fabricate such lies, why would we be making up crap about a virus? We'd make up crap about republicans!

THAT's how stupid they are.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:21 PM

31. Agree. My sisters is a nurse

who is a Fox News fan. She suggested that the virus may have been around much longer and is less deadly than some indicate. She stated that deaths from COVID19 should be calculated only as a result of COVID19, if there are no underlying health conditions that contribute. I said we better change how we view influenza related deaths, in that case.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #31)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:29 PM

34. The brainwashing is that total. Terrifying.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #34)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:39 PM

39. Indeed

it is. I expect she'll come to her senses as she has more exposure to reality.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #39)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:41 PM

41. My aunt is a retired icu nurse who thinks the shitbag is a good president.

But she was also blind-drunk and unintelligible by the end of that phone call....and I'm not making a joke. It was sad.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:42 PM

43. Oh

no. That is very sad.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:15 PM

29. Live by FOX News, Die by FOX News.......

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 20, 2020, 03:09 PM

62. My DH & I say, Live by Fox, Die for the Dow

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:25 PM

33. True Believers are never deterred by facts

though they are interred by undertakers.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:42 PM

42. Shakespeare, pure Shakespeare.

We. Are. Not. Worthy.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #42)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:53 PM

46. LOL, a compliment indeed

Thank you very much, I am laughing out loud

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:33 PM

35. The last 'graph is a weeper

Seven days before he was admitted to the hospital, Joe and Kristen had an argument about the emerging public health crisis, which Kristen described as the only dispute she ever had with her father that she wished she hadn’t won. “He said, ‘Don’t you think this is fishy? Do you know anyone who has it? Do you know anyone who has died from it?’ And I said, ‘Dad, I don’t know anyone now, but give me a week and I bet I will.’”


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Response to UpInArms (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:40 PM

40. That

is terribly sad. : (

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:37 PM

37. Watching Fox is dangerous for one's health

and unfortunately everyone around them too.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 09:38 PM

57. Also dangerous for one's mental health.

As it turns the most hardcore viewers into stark raving lunatics who deny reality.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:39 PM

38. I feel sorry for the poor bartender. A bystander dead from someone else's ignorance.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:44 PM

44. Who could have imagined republicanism is literally bad for your health?

Oh, yeah. Maybe people without health insurance. My bad.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:50 PM

45. that was a fatal mistake!

& it's one many republican voters seem to keep making! Since the beginning of the spread of this disease, I've seen many articles about some republican (who believed donnie that the virus was some kind of hoax) & who had just died from the virus! If republicans refuse to believe something is true, that it's all the fault of democrats, yada, yada, yada But when those conspiracy theories impact their real lives, it becomes something more than just one more republican lie!

I just heard that the republicans who are fans of donnie, only about half of them now believe what he says about the virus!! That's really bad when even the people you are counting on to support you, don't believe that you're telling them the truth!

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 06:55 PM

47. Trump/Fox lies are deadly.

I feel especially bad for his daughter who knows Trump and Fox played a part in her dad's death by playing down the seriousness of the virus.

Damn.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 07:15 PM

49. "He watched Fox, and believed it was under control,'' Kristen told me. There you go. Tokyo Rose 2020

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 07:20 PM

50. Why would he believe Fox News ? Think about the things they have said about others

So they must believe all the bigoted and other fucked up crap spewed by Fox News also .

I feel bad for any innocent person he may have infected .

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 07:35 PM

51. The end of the article says it all.

When her father began to feel sick, he resisted getting tested. “He didn’t think that he could have it,” Kristen said, “because he wasn’t 100 percent confident that it was a thing.”

Seven days before he was admitted to the hospital, Joe and Kristen had an argument about the emerging public health crisis, which Kristen described as the only dispute she ever had with her father that she wished she hadn’t won. “He said, ‘Don’t you think this is fishy? Do you know anyone who has it? Do you know anyone who has died from it?’ And I said, ‘Dad, I don’t know anyone now, but give me a week and I bet I will.’”

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 07:59 PM

52. Hannity, Ingraham, et al & the Murdochs all have blood on their hands, too.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 07:59 PM

53. Deny it and it will all go away.

Never worked before, won't work now.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 08:28 PM

54. Just think where we would be if Fox News didn't exist.

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Response to Initech (Reply #54)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 09:06 PM

55. It's a lovely

thought.

I wish Bloomberg would buy the channel.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #55)

Sun Apr 19, 2020, 09:37 PM

56. Well Fox News is going to be facing some ridiculous lawsuits when the dust settles from all this.

So maybe they will be in a position where they are hurting so much that could be a real possibility. If only.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2020, 04:55 AM

59. Fox Kills! n/t

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2020, 05:27 AM

60. A DUer went on a cruise last month saying he'll be safe. Hope he's ok.

"I'm 71 and I'm currently on a cruise ship. We dock in Kona, Hawaii tomorrow. I am completely unconcerned."

"Given that most passengers here are older than I am, none of us seem remotely worried. Several shipmates have reported friends who cancelled this trip out of concerns for the corona virus, and the consensus among the rest of us is that they are nuts."

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2020, 06:27 AM

61. In Spite

of his support for Trump, this man sounds like a good person. Bay Ridge is an interesting neighborhood. It's got a LOT of immigrants. And a lot of working class white people. And a section that is ritzy. It's right over the Verrazano bridge from Staten Island, and it's almost an extension of that bro.

It's one of the few Brooklyn neighborhoods that skews right wing in elections, but the people in the neighborhood all coexist well. Blue collar workers: Firefighters, cops, plumbers, construction workers, etc.....

There are a lot of bars like JJ Bubbles that are friendly open places.

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