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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA Beloved Bar Owner Was Skeptical About the Virus. Then He Took a Cruise. NYT
?]Joe Joyce, left, the owner of JJ Bubbles, a popular neighborhood bar in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, with his family in the 1980s.
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On March 1, Joe Joyce and his wife, Jane, set sail for Spain on a cruise, flying first to Florida. His adult children Kevin, Eddie and Kristen Mider suggested that the impending doom of the coronavirus made this a bad idea. Joe Joyce was 74, a nonsmoker, healthy; four years after he opened his bar he stopped drinking completely. He didnt see the problem.
He watched Fox, and believed it was under control, Kristen told me.
Early in March Sean Hannity went on air proclaiming that he didnt like the way that the American people were getting scared unnecessarily. He saw it all, he said, as like, lets bludgeon Trump with this new hoax.
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He and his wife then headed to their house in New Hampshire. Their children were checking in from New York and New Jersey, and on March 27, when Kristen got off the phone with her father, she called an ambulance. He was wheezing. His oxygen level turned out to be a dangerously low 70 percent. On April 9, he died of Covid-19. The following day, Artie Nelson, one of his longtime bartenders at JJ Bubbles, and also in his 70s, died of the virus as well.
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dhol82
(9,352 posts)Trump has blood on his hands, as do the cultists who anchor the 'news' at Fox.
Cha
(297,089 posts)fox, who promoted that the CV was a "hoax", to make trump look bad, are FUBAR Stupid and have people's Blood on their slimy hands.
Thank you for this cautionary tale, mzmolly.
StaySafe!
mzmolly
(50,984 posts)my friend.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Sad but predictable.
Sigh.
dalton99a
(81,432 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)sheshe2
(83,718 posts)He wants his followers to die for him.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Maybe this tragedy will at least serve to get those in denial out of their clouds and more serious about the measure to prevent exposure and infection. It is time to get real about this if we want to recover.
More, human interest stories like this would be helpful and there are plenty of them to be told.
Harker
(14,010 posts)and stories to the death toll makes the numbers more real. And larger.
I once asked a holocaust denier if "only" 500,000 were murdered, would that be okay?
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Harker
(14,010 posts)He stammered and blustered a little, and quickly left me alone, which was what I wanted most at the time.
I hope he later considered the proposition.
question.
Harker
(14,010 posts)or that a coldly efficient, murderous regime did that quite recently.
niyad
(113,224 posts)Ole donnie bodybags.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Probably not. He and Limbaugh and the rest are mini-sociopaths in the wake of the maxi-sociopath Trump.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)onecaliberal
(32,813 posts)Or is it more that he thinks its okay because black and brown people get it and die from the virus at much more elevated rate. I hope people sue faux spews and their hosts personally. The shit they spew daily is deadly.
lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)And what he perceives as his "good name."
renate
(13,776 posts)After all, theyre the real problem. And Trumps worshipers will never blame him.
But if (as is true) a fair share of blame is laid at Hannitys door, it wouldnt be a bad thingfor democracy and to slow the spread of the virusif he and the other people yelling and whining on Fox became the faces of failure.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)To bad his buddy in the WH doesn't care about people...at all.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)These protesting assholes are like drunk drivers. Get drunk enough and get on the road, honestly, I don't care if you wrap yourself around a tree. But it ain't just you on the road, and you're likely to take out someone else, and that's why you are a MURDERER if you flaunt the rules and hurt innocent people.
You don't have the right to make that decision for me!
Iggo
(47,547 posts)Celerity
(43,266 posts)samnsara
(17,615 posts)..to Jamaica because of the Zika virus...
Initech
(100,059 posts)Both this year. Cost about $5,000 total in plane fares and hotels. Thankfully the plane fares are on hold for now and the hotels I was able to cancel and get everything back but about $50. It sucks but it will be allowed to resume at some point.
gibraltar72
(7,501 posts)are protected as free speech. Could be dangerous to your health.
lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)If they really believed we could fabricate such lies, why would we be making up crap about a virus? We'd make up crap about republicans!
THAT's how stupid they are.
mzmolly
(50,984 posts)who is a Fox News fan. She suggested that the virus may have been around much longer and is less deadly than some indicate. She stated that deaths from COVID19 should be calculated only as a result of COVID19, if there are no underlying health conditions that contribute. I said we better change how we view influenza related deaths, in that case.
lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)mzmolly
(50,984 posts)it is. I expect she'll come to her senses as she has more exposure to reality.
lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)But she was also blind-drunk and unintelligible by the end of that phone call....and I'm not making a joke. It was sad.
mzmolly
(50,984 posts)no. That is very sad.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)though they are interred by undertakers.
lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)We. Are. Not. Worthy.
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)Thank you very much, I am laughing out loud
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)is terribly sad. : (
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)and unfortunately everyone around them too.
Initech
(100,059 posts)As it turns the most hardcore viewers into stark raving lunatics who deny reality.
Midnight Writer
(21,738 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)Oh, yeah. Maybe people without health insurance. My bad.
subana
(586 posts)& it's one many republican voters seem to keep making! Since the beginning of the spread of this disease, I've seen many articles about some republican (who believed donnie that the virus was some kind of hoax) & who had just died from the virus! If republicans refuse to believe something is true, that it's all the fault of democrats, yada, yada, yada But when those conspiracy theories impact their real lives, it becomes something more than just one more republican lie!
I just heard that the republicans who are fans of donnie, only about half of them now believe what he says about the virus!! That's really bad when even the people you are counting on to support you, don't believe that you're telling them the truth!
SouthernCal_Dem
(852 posts)I feel especially bad for his daughter who knows Trump and Fox played a part in her dad's death by playing down the seriousness of the virus.
Damn.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)So they must believe all the bigoted and other fucked up crap spewed by Fox News also .
I feel bad for any innocent person he may have infected .
RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)When her father began to feel sick, he resisted getting tested. He didnt think that he could have it, Kristen said, because he wasnt 100 percent confident that it was a thing.
Seven days before he was admitted to the hospital, Joe and Kristen had an argument about the emerging public health crisis, which Kristen described as the only dispute she ever had with her father that she wished she hadnt won. He said, Dont you think this is fishy? Do you know anyone who has it? Do you know anyone who has died from it? And I said, Dad, I dont know anyone now, but give me a week and I bet I will.
catbyte
(34,364 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Never worked before, won't work now.
Initech
(100,059 posts)mzmolly
(50,984 posts)thought.
I wish Bloomberg would buy the channel.
Initech
(100,059 posts)So maybe they will be in a position where they are hurting so much that could be a real possibility. If only.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)Kaleva
(36,293 posts)"I'm 71 and I'm currently on a cruise ship. We dock in Kona, Hawaii tomorrow. I am completely unconcerned."
"Given that most passengers here are older than I am, none of us seem remotely worried. Several shipmates have reported friends who cancelled this trip out of concerns for the corona virus, and the consensus among the rest of us is that they are nuts."
Dorian Gray
(13,488 posts)of his support for Trump, this man sounds like a good person. Bay Ridge is an interesting neighborhood. It's got a LOT of immigrants. And a lot of working class white people. And a section that is ritzy. It's right over the Verrazano bridge from Staten Island, and it's almost an extension of that bro.
It's one of the few Brooklyn neighborhoods that skews right wing in elections, but the people in the neighborhood all coexist well. Blue collar workers: Firefighters, cops, plumbers, construction workers, etc.....
There are a lot of bars like JJ Bubbles that are friendly open places.