Monday TOONs - Ask Not Over Whom The Tread Rolls...

[JHB]

Ask Not Over Whom The Tread Rolls...
It rolls over thee

Not out of the woods yet

The Crown

CrackersJack Advisors
They're crackers, and they know jack

High Five

I’m just putting it out of my misery

Expectations meet reality

Someone should write a song about this!

[planetc]

1. Yay! Toons!

[underpants]

2. Nice artwork on this one too

[TheRickles]

4. To be fair to Dr. Oz

He said the overall death totals might increase by 2-3%, not that 2-3% of all children would die. His comment was badly worded and easily misinterpretable, and the media has jumped all over it. But although it sounds harsh to talk about trade-offs like this, we have to ask ourselves what increase in death total would be an acceptable price to pay for re-opening various parts of our society. If not 2%, how about 0.5%, or 0.001%? It's not black and white, and there are always trade-offs. Where, as a society, do we draw the line?

(OK - open fire, ban me, etc.)

[The Magistrate]

5. Three Percent Is Around Ten Millions, Sir

It does not seem any further comment is necessary, but if you want to argue the point....

[TheRickles]

16. It's not 3% of the total US population, but 3% of the total estimated US deaths

That still comes to a big number (a few thousand, not a few million), but my point was that any intervention has costs and benefits. Even quarantining, which clearly save lives via decreased exposure, probably increases the rate of depression and substance abuse because of social disconnection. Just a guess, there's no data, but there's always a trade-off in political decisions about resource allocation.

[The Magistrate]

20. Far Too Generous A Reading, Sir

This is the quote:

"Schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in The Lancet arguing the opening of schools may only cost us 2 to 3%, in terms of total mortality. Any, you know, any life is a life lost, but ... that might be a tradeoff some folks would consider."

If one has a reasonable comprehension of the English language, this suggests the two to three percent mentioned would be total mortality from exposure to the contagion, not two to three percent of the total deaths from all causes in the population over a year's time. From the earliest discussions of this contagion, given observed and projected rates of death owing to it, it has been said by competent medical authorities that if the contagion is allowed unchecked and rapid spread, a proportion of about two to three percent of the total population can be expected to meet death. The idea that a competent exercise in modelling would end with this same figure coming in relation not to total population, but only to the expected number of all deaths from any cause in the population, strains credulity.

Whatever craw-fishing the fellow may have done subsequently, after making this inane attempt to posture as a hard-nosed clear-thinking emotionless and unsentimental tough guy will not impress me, nor will it repair the harm he has done to himself as a public figure.

It is never a good idea for a creme puff to masquerade as a hard roll....

[TheRickles]

27. Case fatality vs. total mortality

The commonly cited case fatality rate for Covid is 2-3%, which means that 2-3% of the people who have been diagnosed with Covid will die. It does not mean that 2-3% of the total population would die of Covid - a very important distinction.

I believe that Dr. Oz knows that the case fatality rate from Covid is 2-3%. He was saying that the incremental increase from opening schools would be small, but significant: the increase would be 2% of 2%, rather than an additional 2% that would in effect double the total fatalities from Covid. It was poorly worded, which is why he has retracted and rephrased his remarks.

I say this because I have a hard time believing he'd be OK with another half million deaths just to open schools earlier. Whatever you might think of his other health care recommendations, he's not cruel.

[The Magistrate]

30. You Are Not Impressing Me, Sir

With a novel contagion, infection of the entire populace is quite likely, even if just as a worse case scenario, and must be considered in analysis. Those who survive will have managed to fight it off, those who cannot die.

I see no reason to presume he is not cruel, any more than I have any reason to suppose he is sensible. He was playing to an audience, and posturing as a hard-nosed manly sort of muscular fellow, even if a doctor and therefore someone who did use his brain now and then, as well as his brawn. I hold people to the postures they strike --- at the very least these indicate what they want to be, and likely are striving to be. In this case he postured as a man who wouldn't turn much of hair at millions of corpses. People do that, people who have no more basic comprehension or empathy than a garden slug. They are unfortunately common.

I remain unmoved by retraction and revision. He said what he said and conveyed a meaning that was clear when he did. It is not a meaning out of line with the views expressed by the sort of troglodytes who rally under the banner of 'so what if it kills one in fifty or so, it won't be me and they're old and ill anyway' under the leadership of the cheap thug with the hairspray crown.

[TheRickles]

43. The reason I presume he is not cruel

I had the chance to meet him and develop a professional correspondence with him some years ago (before he became a TV star) and he struck me as a man who was interested in healing, not in depopulation agendas, regardless of how muscular he is.

[The Magistrate]

44. Again, Sir, Meaningless To Me

"On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog."

[reACTIONary]

38. I believe the 2 to 3 percent applies to...

... those who have contracted the disease. The fatality rate. I believe they divide those who have died by the total number of cases reported.

[marble falls]

12. That 2 -3% sacrifice, would it be from your family or mine?

[KS Toronado]

15. How about .0000%

Quite a few of the countries in SE Asia (where it started) have an infection rate of around .001/.002% of their population, and .03/.04% of the infected dying. Over there they make people wear masks in public, they take a lot of temperatures, etc etc. WHEN IN THE HELL ARE WE AS A COUNTRY GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTRIES WITH THE LOWEST DEATH RATE PER 1000 PEOPLE?

[TheRickles]

17. Agreed. n/t

[58Sunliner]

36. TBF he is a fucking medical doctor and should know there are long term comps,

even for some who survive the virus. Apparently you seem to draw the line at the expense of the dead and wounded, not to mention the heartache and financial chaos that will ensue when the medical systems are overwhelmed. Too bad you don't seem to have a grasp on how it could be managed without death and suffering.

[Gothmog]

3. Thank you for the cartoons

[murielm99]

6. Thank you.

[sab390]

7. I have no idea why you added the last one

I love it, I don't understand it, but I love it. All great toons as usual. Thank you.

[Wounded Bear]

11. I took it as a turn on social distancing from the old Beatles song,

Eleanor Rigby, substituting Penguins, a very social animal, for people, also a very social animal.

[JHB]

14. Correct!

It took me a read-through before it clicked, too. I put a clue in the caption, but being too direct would've amounted to explaining the joke. Sometimes it's needed, but not what you want to lead off with.

[scarletwoman]

37. As soon as I got to the second panel, I started hearing that beautiful cello part from Eleanor Rigby

I love it very much - however, now it's playing over and over in my head.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

49. Quick! It's Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Baaaaaand!

Replace one earworm with another.

[scarletwoman]

50. You are too kind!

[padah513]

8. Wow, thanks for the toons

All of them are so spot on.

[malaise]

9. Ask Not Over Whom The Tread Rolls... It rolls over thee

LOL

[mountain grammy]

10. K & R and thank you.

[DesertRat]

13. k&r

[dalton99a]

18. Great toons

Idiots

[rwsanders]

29. Great graph. Needs its own post!!

[treestar]

19. K&R

[Hekate]

21. Kicktoons! The Earth is flat!

[underpants]

22. Can I add one I just found ?

[JHB]

23. Sure. That one was in Friday's post...

...but its accuracy hasn't changed.

Friday TOONs:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213300948

[underpants]

24. Missed that one

[burrowowl]

25. Kick

[2naSalit]

26. Thank you!

[Blue Owl]

28. Love all the different ways the cartoonists portray the rancid shitsack

[tblue37]

31. K&R and thanks! nt

[LAS14]

32. k & r

[cp]

33. Great toons!

Love the Eleanor Rigby penguins. Thank you, JHB!

[steventh]

34. Thanks for this outstanding collection of toons

[crickets]

35. Thanks, JHB! K&R

[Nitram]

39. I like the toons!

[Stuart G]

40. Great Toons, Thank You for posting...K and R

[CaliforniaPeggy]

41. These are fantastic! Thank you so much, my dear JHB! n/t

[smirkymonkey]

42. K&R

[GreatInDayton]

45. Man, I look forward to these.

Missed the weekend toons, tho. Anybody seen them?
So grateful to laugh.

[JHB]

46. There were no weekend TOONs. The Cagle Cartoons site changed something ...

...so the workaround I had to their previous changes stopped working.

Once I found out that a dozen+ of the cartoon links were bad, I canned the post because I kinda hit my limit for how much time I devote to these on any given day.

However, all the ones that would have been there are in today's post. I have a different fallback going on in order to link to them. We'll see how long that lasts.

In general, the Weekend TOONs depend heavily on when I get up and what my plans are for the day. If the two don't mesh well, often-as-not I leave them for Monday.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

47. Thanks! Very funny!

This one made me laugh loudly!

[Karadeniz]

48. Super...esp. Covid-Cat stalking mice!