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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,955 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 12:34 PM Apr 2020

Oil suffers record plunge below $11 amid historic glut

Oil suffered its biggest one-day price plunge in the modern era, at one point crashing about 40% to below $11 a barrel as traders contended with an historic glut.

Despite OPEC+’s unprecedented output deal agreed a week ago, the oil market remains massively oversupplied as the lockdowns to fight the spread of the coronavirus reduce global crude demand by about a third. Storage tanks across the globe are rapidly filling, including at the key U.S. hub in Oklahoma.

“There is no limit to the downside to prices when inventories and pipelines are full,” tweeted Pierre Andurand, the head of the eponymous oil hedge fund. “Negative prices are possible,” he added.

In early trading in New York, West Texas Intermediate fell to as low as of $10.96 a barrel, the weakest level since 1998. The plunge was exaggerated as the May futures contract expires on Tuesday, leading to a fire-sale among traders who don’t have access to storage. The June contract fell 13% to $21.80 a barrel at 9:13 a.m. local time. Brent declined 7.1% to $26.08.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/oil-suffers-record-plunge-below-dollar11-amid-historic-glut/ar-BB12Taj9?li=BBnbfcN&ocid=hplocalnews

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Oil suffers record plunge below $11 amid historic glut (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2020 OP
Holy Shite! brokephibroke Apr 2020 #1
Under $8 now nt Shermann Apr 2020 #2
And yet our prices at the pump still aren't going down fast enough. Why not? Something seems off SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #3
Slow to fall, fast to rise Shermann Apr 2020 #4
Oh, they fall, just you don't see the price adjustment Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #5
This is the price of only a very small portion oil and due to forced selling mathematic Apr 2020 #7
most of what we pay for gas isn't the oil Amishman Apr 2020 #9
Don't forget the taxes too... How much farther can it fall? JCMach1 Apr 2020 #10
With his one commodity income, Putin must be freaking out.......... good! nt mitch96 Apr 2020 #6
Well, that's just plain weird gratuitous Apr 2020 #8
futures contract down 80% to record low under $3 HAB911 Apr 2020 #11
And this will have a habit of bouncing back against the producers of oil eventually, being that ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #16
An Odd Definition Of Winning ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #20
We should be buying like crazy and filling the strategic reserve. roamer65 Apr 2020 #12
The reserves are full. SoonerPride Apr 2020 #15
Maybe they'll close some refineries dalton99a Apr 2020 #13
Below $0 now IronLionZion Apr 2020 #14
Wow. I suspect that they'll be forced buyers of the crude oil, to filfull their disasterous futures SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #17
the low was -40/barrel rdking647 Apr 2020 #18
So... Hugin Apr 2020 #19

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
3. And yet our prices at the pump still aren't going down fast enough. Why not? Something seems off
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 12:55 PM
Apr 2020

here. Like the prices are being supported by artificial means (pumped up illegally)?

Shermann

(7,413 posts)
4. Slow to fall, fast to rise
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:02 PM
Apr 2020

Also there's going to be a bottom in the price of refined petroleum products due to fixed infrastructure costs.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
5. Oh, they fall, just you don't see the price adjustment
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:08 PM
Apr 2020

until the station's next delivery. A station will buy once or twice a week. The price changes when the gas is bought, unless supplies go tight suddenlly, due to say, a pipeline explosion, that hits the headlines. Then the price will get jacked up immediately, since the station owner can blame the problem all over the news at the moment.

Gas prices are always quick to rise, slow to fall. Hikes occur immediately, cuts when the next delivery arrives.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
7. This is the price of only a very small portion oil and due to forced selling
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:13 PM
Apr 2020

Like it says in the OP, oil contracts that don't have the same forced selling are going for twice as much.

That said, gasoline futures have also dropped by 50%, from about $1.40 before all this started to about $.70 now. Retail gas average has dropped from $2.42 in the beginning of march to $1.85 last week (and likely another drop will be reported this week). Retail gas prices will never drop the same % as the raw commodities as taxes, employees, and rent all are fixed costs that don't decline with commodity prices.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
9. most of what we pay for gas isn't the oil
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:18 PM
Apr 2020

Spot price for refined gasoline right now is 0.70, or $29.40 for 42 gallons (42 gal is an oil barrel). That is after transit and refining

add in transit to the gas station, a tiny profit for the station, and anywhere from $0.35 to $1.00 per gallon tax, and it does add up.

The refining, transit, middlemen, and tax now make up most of the cost of gas - and those don't drop whe oil does.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Well, that's just plain weird
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:14 PM
Apr 2020

It was just six days ago that Trump crowed about the deal he'd made to prop up oil prices:

https://fortune.com/2020/04/14/trump-oil-deal-inside-story-saudi-arabia-russia-price-war-ended/

Trump’s oil deal: The inside story of how the Saudi-Russia price war ended
BY
JAVIER BLAS
AND
BLOOMBERG
April 14, 2020 1:48 AM PDT

[Much snippage with the money quote late]

The biggest winner appears to be Trump, who refused to deliberately cut American oil production, but was still able to broker the final deal. His phone call with Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, followed by a three-way conference call with Russian President Vladimir Putin and King Salman of Saudi Arabia, came up with the proposal that resolved the Latin American nation’s objections to the agreement.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
16. And this will have a habit of bouncing back against the producers of oil eventually, being that ...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 04:44 PM
Apr 2020

they probably got themselves into this whole mess, being that rump seemed initially an oil man (favored oil, definitely not solar or wind or the like). So they (the oil producers) kept pumping oil out of the ground even while shutting down fracking sites at the same time (too much excess being produced).

Oil capacity is being stretched to the limits (storage wise) and what are they going to do if they keep running out of storage? I suspect that low producing wells will be shut down, unless those that money are owed to banks, investors, etc. keep demanding that the pumps keep going. I think that this is what is happening in a lot of fracking sites.

In effect, this industry has killed itself by producing too much. Go figure. A bunch of greed, lenders, producers trying to pay down debt or cover debt loads, etc. I don't think that the Saudi or Russians could have ever anticipated these events at all, being that the CV epidemic has mauled consumption of oil products.

The Russians and Saudi have got to be hurting big time, after all, their one commodity markets are now hurting their revenues/income.

So, instead of really helping the oil industry, rump is helping kill it. Ha! I bet all of those western states w/ the tons of fracking sites (and the land owners) aren't happy, as well as other oil producers in other states. This will crimp their incomes hugely (I love rump's own words here to describe this disaster).

Another one of his stupid mistakes. By putting oil first (vs. solar, wind, etc.), rump guaranteed that an excess of oil would come onto the marketplace and flood the markets, because producers thought that hey, we got a friend in the WH, lets pump! Nice planning, eh?

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
20. An Odd Definition Of Winning
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 05:17 PM
Apr 2020

And of success.
As I said last week, a 10 million bbl cut is PR. They were running out of room, 10 days ago.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
17. Wow. I suspect that they'll be forced buyers of the crude oil, to filfull their disasterous futures
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 04:58 PM
Apr 2020

contracts (if they sold or sold the oil at a guaranteed futures price (depending on the type of futures contract they engaged in), they're banking on getting a better price for their oil later, or locking in better prices while they're producing it). What a mess.

Think of all of the banks left holding worthless oil (below ZERO dollars) contracts. Think of thousands of investors playing in the oil commodities markets, banking on making some money. Some speculators will make a killing (they sold the contracts at a higher price earlier/prior to all of this happening, and then will go back and buy the by far cheaper oil contracts to fulfill their outstanding obligations).

I suspect loans will be called in, margin calls will go out to a lot of speculators, and a lot of brokers in Chicago at the commodities exchanges, etc. are all freaking out. Literally freaking out.

All of them are going to blame TRUMP for screwing up their markets and costing them HUGELY (trump's words again).

We'll get better prices at the gas pump, hopefully, when we all start driving again.

Can you imagine such a thing like this ever happening? Only in trump's world, does he manage to get everybody and everything he touches bankrupt with his stupid policies. I suspect that the only energy policy rump ever had was allow the oil industry unlimited tax breaks and keep pumping. That is the whole summary of his 'energy policy', and he managed to screw this up even.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
18. the low was -40/barrel
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 05:12 PM
Apr 2020

the oil price is a fluke
. the may future contract is expiring tomorrow so if you own it you have to take delivery. most people cant actually take delivery since its 1000 barrels delivered to a specific spot (cushing oklahoma). so they have to sell at any price before tomorrow. thats why it went negative. the next months contract is trading around 21/barrel.



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