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11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 05:13 PM Apr 2020

Noted booze-hound, attempted rapist, and illegitimate Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh ...

recently referenced Roe v Wade in a discussion of "wrongly decided" SCOTUS findings.

In a related story, Susan Collins (R-ME) is reportedly seeking medical treatment for an excess of "deep concern" which has recently begun to gush uncontrollably from her ass hole.

Doctors, citing HIPPA concerns, will only describe the condition as pre-existing, but did note a worsening of her symptoms.

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Noted booze-hound, attempted rapist, and illegitimate Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh ... (Original Post) 11 Bravo Apr 2020 OP
Bravo, bravo. Nt Ninga Apr 2020 #1
LOL doc03 Apr 2020 #2
That is not accurate. The Roe citation has a footnote referring to The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #3
You make a fair point about what Kavanaugh was doing here. StevieM Apr 2020 #4
Wrongly held SCOTUS findings were discussed. 11 Bravo Apr 2020 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Pepsidog Apr 2020 #9
Thanks for the explanation grantcart Apr 2020 #11
Elegant satire! Or withering sarcasm or whatever it is!1 Am pretty sure it's not parody! UTUSN Apr 2020 #5
K&R Blue Owl Apr 2020 #7
I LIKE BEER Dopers_Greed Apr 2020 #8
When playing Devil's Triangle? czarjak Apr 2020 #12
Collin's asshole cannot be saved.. Collin's is much too full of shit to be saved.. Stuart G Apr 2020 #10

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
3. That is not accurate. The Roe citation has a footnote referring to
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 05:27 PM
Apr 2020
Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which actually upheld Roe on other grounds and declined to overturn its central holding. The court in Casey explained its reasoning as follows:

A comparison between Roe and two decisional lines of comparable significance-the line identified with Lochner v. New York, 198 U. S. 45, and the line that began with Plessy v. Ferguson, 163 U. S. 537-confirms the result reached here. Those lines were overruled-by, respectively, West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish, 300 U. S. 379, and Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U. S. 483-on the basis of facts, or an understanding of facts, changed from those which furnished the claimed justifications for the earlier constitutional resolutions. The overruling decisions were comprehensible to the Nation, and defensible, as the Court's responses to changed circumstances. In contrast, because neither the factual underpinnings of Roe's central holding nor this Court's understanding of it has changed (and because no other indication of weakened precedent has been shown), the Court could not pretend to be reexamining Roe with any justification beyond a present doctrinal disposition to come out differently from the Roe Court. That is an inadequate basis for overruling a prior case. Pp.861-864.

(i) Overruling Roe's central holding would not only reach an unjustifiable result under stare decisis principles, but would seriously weaken the Court's capacity to exercise the judicial power and to function as the Supreme Court of a Nation dedicated to the rule of law. Where the Court acts to resolve the sort of unique, intensely divisive controversy reflected in Roe, its decision has a dimension not present in normal cases and is entitled to rare precedential force to counter the inevitable efforts to overturn it and to thwart its implementation. Only the most convincing justification under accepted standards of precedent could suffice to demonstrate that a later decision overruling the first was anything but a surrender to political pressure and an unjustified repudiation of the principle on which the Court staked its authority in the first instance. Moreover, the country's loss of confidence in the Judiciary would be underscored by condemnation for the Court's failure to keep faith with those who support the decision at a cost to themselves. A decision to overrule Roe's essential holding under the existing circumstances would address error, if error there was, at the cost of both profound and unnecessary damage to the Court's legitimacy and to the Nation's commitment to the rule of law. Pp. 864-869.

JUSTICE O'CONNOR, JUSTICE KENNEDY, and JUSTICE SOUTER concluded in Part IV that an examination of Roe v. Wade, 410 U. S. 113, and subsequent cases, reveals a number of guiding principles that should control the assessment of the Pennsylvania statute:

(a) To protect the central right recognized by Roe while at the same time accommodating the State's profound interest in potential life, see id., at 162, the undue burden standard should be employed. An undue burden exists, and therefore a provision of law is invalid, if its purpose or effect is to place substantial obstacles in the path of a woman seeking an abortion before the fetus attains viability.

(b) Roe's rigid trimester framework is rejected. To promote the State's interest in potential life throughout pregnancy, the State may take measures to ensure that the woman's choice is informed. Measures designed to advance this interest should not be invalidated if their purpose is to persuade the woman to choose childbirth over abortion. These measures must not be an undue burden on the right.

(c) As with any medical procedure, the State may enact regulations to further the health or safety of a woman seeking an abortion, but may not impose unnecessary health regulations that present a substantial obstacle to a woman seeking an abortion.

(d) Adoption of the undue burden standard does not disturb Roe's holding that regardless of whether exceptions are made for particular circumstances, a State may not prohibit any woman from making the ultimate decision to terminate her pregnancy before viability.

(e) Roe's holding that "subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother" is also reaffirmed. Id., at 164-165. Pp.869-879.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/505/833/

I'm no fan of Kavanaugh, but what he actually seems to have done was explain that Casey did not overturn Roe but modified the standard to be applied while acknowledging the fundamental right it protected. One of the first things I learned in law school is that you have to not only read the footnotes, but the cases cited in the footnotes.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
4. You make a fair point about what Kavanaugh was doing here.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 05:31 PM
Apr 2020

That being said, let's not forget the enormous damage that Casey has done. It is the primary reason why the GOP has been able to launch the all out assault on reproductive rights that they have undertaken in recent years.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
6. Wrongly held SCOTUS findings were discussed.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 06:17 PM
Apr 2020

Kavanaugh mentioned Roe v Wade.

I tried to choose my words relatively carefully, fully aware that DU word parsers are ubiquitous in regard to certain topics (guns and abortion most particularly).

There was no inaccuracy in the OP. (Other than the obviously satirical Collins medical riff.)

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