39 year old asymptomatic on Friday, but found dead the following Tuesday

[ecstatic]

A federal prison employee who died earlier this week has tested positive for the new coronavirus, the Bureau of Prisons announced Friday. The bureau said the staffer is the "first potential" staff death due to COVID-19.

Robin Grubbs, a 39-year-old case manager at the United States Penitentiary in Atlanta, was found dead in her home Tuesday and posthumously tested positive for the virus, a bureau spokesperson said in a statement.

Grubbs' last day working at the facility was Friday, April 10. She was screened prior to entry and determined to be asymptomatic, the spokesperson said.

Four Atlanta employees told CBS News that Grubb's office was located in the prison's "Baker 3" unit, a previously empty area where officials began housing inmates who were sick or exposed to the coronavirus. As of Friday, eight inmates and three staffers have tested positive for the virus, according to the bureau.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-federal-prisons-confirm-first-staff-death-linked-to-covid-19-robin-grubbs-usp-atlanta/

Someone mentioned that Grubb's rapid decline may have been due to something known as a cytokine storm, which is when your immune system goes rogue when attempting to fight an unknown virus.

For me, this indicates that anyone can potentially die from covid19, not just those with pre-existing conditions.

[A HERETIC I AM]

2. May she rest in peace.

This shit is just simply nasty.

The range of injury to the various organs as one example, is remarkable.

The folks that think they will be fine?....I say, let them go back to work, just stay the hell away from children and anyone else.

[Leghorn21]

3. Oh no, sure have been hearing about that "cytokine storm" the last couple of months

This is a wicked, forbidding fucking illness, and yes, ANYONE can potentially die after contracting it

RIP Robin

[AtheistCrusader]

12. Lots of things can cause this.

This is probably the leading way that the Flu also kills for the 15-25 year old crowd.

Sometimes the immune system just goes apeshit and kills everything, including the host.

[LiberalArkie]

14. This seems to be one of those illnesses where a mediocre immune system might be best.

[AtheistCrusader]

23. And, be under the age of 60.

[DarleenMB]

28. Absolutely NOT.

It isn't how robust your immune system is or is not. They do not KNOW what causes the cytokine storm. People with autoimmune disorders, I think, need to be especially careful. That would include both my sister and a cousin.

[BGBD]

35. That's right.

Flu kills in two way usually. Pneumonia or Cytokine Storm. Of course there are much rarer things like leading to meningitis or sepsis.

COVID-19 and flu are both respiratory diseases and they seem to kill in very similar ways.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

33. Cytokine storm was the MAIN CAUSE OF DEATHS in the Flu Pandemic of 1918-1919....

I CANNOT tell you how many people who argued with me about the reality of the virus, ( Democratic hoax), the fact that it would ONLY kill POC & Democrats, (I WISH I were laughing OR pulling a fast one), that China engineered CV19 as a means of taking the US down, (REALLY? These cretins COULD not explain to me WHY THE HELL they'd release the virus that is 3X more infectious than the flu, BTW IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, FIRST, ie KILLING COUNTLESS MILLIONS of their own people & making a DEADLY virus ENDEMIC in their country) or that the "DEEPSTATE" engineered to bring about the NWO, 2X WTF??!!

I would ask them how much education they had in BIOLOGY, BASIC HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY & would be confronted by their defensive & confusedly proud announcement that they'd never taken anything resembling SCIENCE, more than one admitted they'd NEVER completed HS, (was there ever question?) & that they believed that learning ANYTHING not sanctioned by their cult leaders, ect, was a sure way to end up in Hell....WTF? I'm a Xtian but I don't understand when learning, knowledge & reading became sinful or anathema to God. Apparently have NEVER heard of the Jesuits & other EDUCATION based Christianity.

I would go on to say that if they'd NEVER even learned BASIC BIOLOGY, how were they able to comment on the reality & lethality of viruses, they'd say $h!t like their tin god, chump, IOW, they trust their gut. I went on to tell them that it was GOOD they trusted their guts because they'll soon be able to see them, either on the floors Or in the "Porcelain Princess", once they got infected with CV19, considering their impressive comorbidities. OF COURSE, they didn't even understand what I was saying. They went on to tell me that I DIDN'T know what I was talking about... This was about a month to 6 weeks ago.

So, fast forward to the last 2 weeks & the present. Alot of those idiots have Completely disappeared, have started to tell people that CV19 is real & the most Schadenfreude I've had? Yeah, um, the few who apologised because they've lost loved ones &/or friends OR more often, THEY caught it & ended up in hospital & almost died.

They wished that they'd listened to me &/others LIKE me. I'd recommended & sent links to documentaries about the 1919-1918 Flu Pandemic & guess what? They didn't watch it, (cuz "learning", I guess) but ao many told me that they wish they'd listened to the voices of reason & once they'd seen the documentaries AND spoken to elder family members who'd lost parents, siblings, etc to "The Kiss of the Spanish Lady"...Frankly, I believe that we need to hold trials for these fuckers, intentional dereliction of duty, NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE, hell, Genocide & CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!! I am SO angry, my caramel complexion is HOT rose pink!!

[Leghorn21]

34. Thank you for your great post here, The - it's like screaming to yourself in a dark closet in an

abandoned house to get people to listen and understand what you’re telling them!!!! - SO frustrating — I’ve been thinking for a while now, it’s going to be a slow (but steady) realization as, one by one, “nonbelievers” find out just how potent a killer this virus is...

Hang tough, The, and thanks again for this post -

[wnylib]

37. People who lack knowledge and understanding

of the dangers need to have someone they can trust for info and advice. But the RW has spent decades, since Reagan, telling their followers that "the elitist left," " the government," or "the media" can't be believed or trusted.

So these uninformed people have no place to go for good, sound advice. They distrust "the system" and paradoxically, become the gullibke, naive followers of conspiracy theories or create their own to fill in the gaps in their knowledge and understanding.

[Caliman73]

4. THIS is a tragedy

A young seemingly healthy person doing her job, asymptomatic, then DEAD. Human tragedy. Not some fool calling the virus bullshit and advocating defiance of public safety, living and dying by the "madness".

I feel bad for the woman, and any friends and family feeling the loss.

[renate]

7. It really is

I assume they didn't have enough PPE to keep her safe. This is so sad. Especially the part about dying alone. Heartbreaking.

[crickets]

38. It sounds like the things she lacked were a mask and gloves.

Not mentioned at all in the article. I wonder.

[Solomon]

5. Sad

The thing I've been worried about is even the survivors could wind up with disabilities,etc. Surviving it is no guarantee that you will be okay.

[Baked Potato]

6. I just read about that "storm" function of the body. That's effed.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. Anybody can die from it. There's no doubt about it

There's just more likelihood under certain conditions. But anybody who pretends that they are either immune from catching it or immune from dying from it is just playing Russian Roulette. We should be doing everything we can to protect people from being exposed to it as much as possible and treating anybody to the maximum extent possible if they do become infected. Unfortunately, we are doing neither very well, which makes me even more scared about this seemingly inevitable push to "re-open" states without much evidence that things have significantly changed since mid-March.

[Cha]

9. Another needless death if proper steps had been taken

when trump was first notified about the CV. he wasted precious time. "70 days calling it a democrat hoax".. while playing golf & staging his stupid hateful rallies.

RIP Robiin

[NonPC]

11. And Don't Forget About His Trip to India

Remember the pep rally there?

[Cha]

13. India? No I don't keep tract of trump.

[DENVERPOPS]

24. All I will ever remember from his trip

Is his Trailer Trash Barbie daughter posing tastelessly in front of the Taj Mahal in that god awful dress that looked like she just slaughtered a hog in it.....

I need ECT to erase that memory, for sure.......

[mr_lebowski]

10. While this death is tragic, I'll wait to hear that she died of CV rather than assume

that a 39 yo got sick and died from it in 5 days.

By no means am I saying she did NOT, but it's unknown at this time according to the article. Just saying.

Incidentally, she was such beautiful young lady, too ...

[rocktivity]

15. If she was determined to be asymptomatic, she should have been sent home

if not to the facility's medical department -- why was she allowed entry? Asymptomatic means that though you're not feeling sick from the virus, you are still CAPABLE of spreading it, right?

A perfect example of why national testing must be rolled out for EVERYONE right away.
https://yourhhrsnews.com/mass-coronavirus-testing-debuts-in-edison-the-rest-of-the-us-next/


rocktivity

[emmaverybo]

22. She tested positive after death. She had no symptoms when she went to work.

[rocktivity]

31. There's a difference between HAVING no symptoms and SHOWNG no symptoms.

If you have no symptoms due to NOT having the virus, you test negative. If you have no symptoms but test positive for the virus, you're asymptomatic -- AND you're capable of spreading the virus. That's why she shouldn't have been allowed to report to work if she was found to be asymptomatic.


rocktivity

[ecstatic]

36. I could be wrong, but I think at the prison they were doing superficial screenings

of employees everyday. Maybe taking temperatures and asking people if they felt OK. I don't believe Robin Grubbs was tested for COVID-19 until after she was found dead.

[rocktivity]

41. No argument with you about that

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It sounds very much like something was done superficially. But if there was confusion between being negative and being asymptomatic, something was also done quite incompetently.


rocktivity

[emmaverybo]

42. They were not testing. Doing informal non-medical screening is the problem. Any one who passed

that screening got in. Any one who had no symptoms. She was tested after death. I agree that these so-called screenings are not good enough given that those infected may show no fever, have no signs.

The only solution is to quarantine workers, release all prisoners, develop an instant medical test and administer it every work day. I think there is such a test, but not in wide use, probably prohibitive cost.

The fact that one can have no symptoms and be infected and thus contagious is a progressive bleh across the boards—grocery stores, public transport, medical settings.

[Igel]

16. Nobody's said anybody's not at risk.

Even kids. (Okay, Musk and a few other overgeneralizing loons. We'll make exception for the feeble minded.)

It's just that some are at very, very low risk.

This is still a "potential death" from COVID-19, even though it likely is due to that. However, even if it's found that she choked on a fish bone, it's likely she'll still be counted as a COVID-19 death.

[BigmanPigman]

17. Cytokine storms likely killed pregnant women then healthy 20/30 year olds

during the 1918 flu pandemic. The very young and old were nailed but the "normally healthy" was a shock and a mystery at the time. Many believe a cytokine surge was a factor.

BUT...
"Almost 90 years later, in 2008, researchers announced they’d discovered what made the 1918 flu so deadly: A group of three genes enabled the virus to weaken a victim’s bronchial tubes and lungs and clear the way for bacterial pneumonia."

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic

[ecstatic]

19. Hmm.. very interesting... Nt

[crickets]

39. BOOKMARKED. Thank you, this is the first real connection to 1918 that seems virologically important.

[Snake Plissken]

18. I have a feeling this was a COVID-19 related death too which happened back in February

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/waterbury-teacher-dies-of-flu-family/2223376/

A 28 year old teacher who left school on a Friday after feeling feverish and died on Tuesday from "the flu"

[ecstatic]

20. Yikes. I hope they've looked into that

Really, I think we need to look at every death from the past 8 months.

[wendyb-NC]

21. What a sad, tragic loss.

My heart goes out to her family.

[gopiscrap]

25. wow

[iluvtennis]

26. Another senseless death due to trump's 70 days of inaction on mitigation of this virus.

Rest in Peace Robin Grubb.

[ecstatic]

30. +1000000. nt

[bucolic_frolic]

27. not just those with pre-existing conditions

Yes, as more becomes known I think there will be a wide range of varying conditions that predispose populations to COVID-19 with high risk. Today there are reports of various types of rashes in some patients, particularly in Asia/Australia. One is inflamed blue toe, more typical of gout, circulation, diabetes, arthritis. So sort of involved with diseases of inflammation. With modern diet and global food chain, inflammation is in everyone. Various agents have been postulated with attribution to inflammation, including wheat, dairy, auto-immune, toxins, oils, impurities, sweeteners, yeast, and many more.

[ecstatic]

29. Yes. I was reading about it yesterday. Supposedly "water fasting"

helps reduce inflammation... but I'm not disciplined enough to do that right now.

[bucolic_frolic]

32. And added to the rest of the list suggests inhibited circulation as detrimental with COVID-19

So reduce inflammation, water fast, light exercise or movement. There is the ongoing study here or there that patients on ventilators who are prone (on their stomach) rather than supine (on their back) are far better off. It takes pressure off the lungs and abdomen, and allows for better air flow. They said this is even true for those on ventilators.

Circulation!

[ecstatic]

43. Thanks. After reading your post,

I worked out today for the first time in months!

I'm slim but I'm worried that I might have inflammation due to stress, malnutrition, lack of exercise, etc.

[bucolic_frolic]

44. Hey glad to hear

My latest craze is dandelions, root and all. Great for liver function says Balch nutritional book. I had extract tablets, but with so many in the yard .... cleaned with a brush, chopped or pureed in a blender, cooked ... just not from lawns treated with herbicides and pesticides.

I need more exercise too ... it's spring!

[Blue Owl]

40. Poor baby...