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Mr. Sparkle

(2,929 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 10:54 AM Apr 2020

Trump Says He's Aiming to Shield Corporations From Legal Liability for Workers Who Contract Covid-19

President Donald Trump said during a press briefing Monday evening that his administration is aiming to shield corporations from legal responsibility for workers who contract the novel coronavirus on the job, a move that the Chamber of Commerce and right-wing advocacy groups are aggressively lobbying for as the White House pushes to reopen the U.S. economy against the warnings of public health experts. "We are trying to take liability away from these companies," Trump said in response to a reporter's question on the subject. "We just don't want that because we want the companies to open and to open strong. But I'll get you a legal opinion on that."

The president claimed that his administration had not previously discussed the issue of corporate liability, but the New York Times reported that business executives raised the matter with Trump in a conference call last week. An "issue of great concern to the executives on the call," according to the Times, "was the need to address the liability companies could face if employees got sick after returning to work, given the possibility that workers who felt that they were brought back too soon—or were not placed in a safe environment—could sue en masse."

Additionally, the Washington Post reported earlier this month that Trump administration officials discussed including in the next stimulus package "a waiver that would clear businesses of liability from employees who contract the coronavirus on the job."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/04/21/trump-says-hes-aiming-shield-corporations-legal-liability-workers-who-contract-covid

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Trump Says He's Aiming to Shield Corporations From Legal Liability for Workers Who Contract Covid-19 (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Apr 2020 OP
Of course... Newest Reality Apr 2020 #1
"The message from OSHA to employers and their workers is: You're on your own." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #2
Chilling ck4829 Apr 2020 #8
So this Ohiogal Apr 2020 #3
Like The Wild West..... global1 Apr 2020 #4
Yep ck4829 Apr 2020 #7
Disgusting ck4829 Apr 2020 #5
he can't usurp state laws or civil lawsuits beachbumbob Apr 2020 #6
That's what I'm thinking. Solomon Apr 2020 #12
Most Employment Law RobinA Apr 2020 #22
general liabilty law is state, feds can't usurp state law beachbumbob Apr 2020 #27
what the everloathing fork is wrong with that asshat? Voltaire2 Apr 2020 #9
A prerequisite for the re-opening rush job BeyondGeography Apr 2020 #10
It's no longer America the Beautiful, it's now America the Quarterly Report. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #11
We can't let this happen. Mike 03 Apr 2020 #13
Forget the Hitler comparisons, Trump is going full Stalin on us. Initech Apr 2020 #14
The devil is in the details genxlib Apr 2020 #15
ALL for his re-election. spanone Apr 2020 #16
Hey, you blue collar workers who vote for Republicans, do you see the Baitball Blogger Apr 2020 #17
I wish somebody would save our nation. Doodley Apr 2020 #18
Where's Batman when you need him? KPN Apr 2020 #20
We have no one looking out for the American worker. As far as they are concerned workers Autumn Apr 2020 #19
Translation: companies do not want to waste money procon Apr 2020 #21
It can't get any clearer than that folks. It's not that they don't care about "the little people". KPN Apr 2020 #23
I don't think he can do this unilaterally. It will take an act of law. Politicub Apr 2020 #24
Come on, did you expect anything else? I mean this is Dump we are talking about. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #25
uh huh. very smart. not_the_one Apr 2020 #26

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. Of course...
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 10:59 AM
Apr 2020

Of course, he is looking out for his people.

So says the mobster who bandied about the idea of suing everyone to make a lot of money.

So says the guy who has had hundreds of suits filed against him since he is so corrupt.

Oh, and that guy who stiffs everyone and anyone, including municipalities that provided security for his campaigns.

Yeah, that guy.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,319 posts)
2. "The message from OSHA to employers and their workers is: You're on your own."
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:02 AM
Apr 2020
During these dark times -- while America's workers are literally being asked to risk their lives to save the county -- the collapse of #OSHA -- the only agency able to protect workers -- will go down in history as one of the greatest failures of our time.



“The message from OSHA to employers and their workers is: You’re on your own,” said
@DebbieBerkowitz
, a former OSHA official and now program director of the National Employment Law Project.


Ohiogal

(31,924 posts)
3. So this
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:02 AM
Apr 2020

is what this evil fucker concerns himself with when over 40,000 Americans are dead due to his negligence and incompetence.

I can’t even come up with words for how this makes me feel.

global1

(25,225 posts)
4. Like The Wild West.....
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:03 AM
Apr 2020

It's gonna be 'every man for himself''. Let the buyer beware.

The wheels of the bus have come off.

Can't wait until there's a new sheriff in town.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
12. That's what I'm thinking.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:20 AM
Apr 2020

He doesn't have the power to do this. Seems to me it has to be legislated.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
11. It's no longer America the Beautiful, it's now America the Quarterly Report.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:18 AM
Apr 2020

GOP trying to rip another page from our Constitution......

They've always loved placing unconstitutional shit in spending bills just because they can.

Oh, and any legal opinion from this administration isn't worth the electrons it takes to Tweet it.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
13. We can't let this happen.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:22 AM
Apr 2020

This is one of the only tools I can see to prevent gross irresponsibility.

Also, governors who "force" townships and cities to relinquish safety protocols (i.e. Kemp in Georgia), leading to the infection of citizens who felt it was unsafe to return to work, should be civilly liable.

Any politicians that don't follow the guidelines put down by the Trump administration itself (14 days declining numbers, etc.) should be liable for consequences, period (not just fatalities but also hospital bills).

Initech

(100,042 posts)
14. Forget the Hitler comparisons, Trump is going full Stalin on us.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:23 AM
Apr 2020

Sacrificing people for the greater good of the economy is doing exactly that. They are determined to get us killed.

genxlib

(5,518 posts)
15. The devil is in the details
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:28 AM
Apr 2020

This is dangerous but necessary. Regardless of when we come out of this (next week, next month or next year), there will be some level of risk to employers. If done properly, it will define that level of risk and make it enforcable.

In the case of OSHA, there are defined work environment safety rules. Even if all the rules are followed, people can still get hurt. But following the rules is generally the difference between an unfortunate accident and a negligent injury.

This has the potential to set those kinds of ground rules if applied properly. If a workplace does everything within a given set of guidelines, they should be afforded some protection against liability. If they don't, then they should be held accountable.

On the other hand, if this just gives blanket immunity without guidelines, then it will be a license to abuse workers.

Unfortunately, with this current leadership it will likely be the the latter and not the former.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
17. Hey, you blue collar workers who vote for Republicans, do you see the
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:30 AM
Apr 2020

difference now?

Democrats fight for your rights as a worker. Republicans fight to weaken your rights by protecting your bosses from YOU.

Autumn

(44,985 posts)
19. We have no one looking out for the American worker. As far as they are concerned workers
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:42 AM
Apr 2020

are disposable and mean nothing.

procon

(15,805 posts)
21. Translation: companies do not want to waste money
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:50 AM
Apr 2020

on employee safety. If companies get a free pass on this then employees won't have any PPE a work, the CDC guidelines will be ignored, no sick leave, no testing, no screening incoming workers for temps and symptoms, mandatory work even for sick workers.

Make no mistake, this is all about company profits. If these greedy bastards can legally not follow safety protocols they safeguard their money at the expense of sick, or dead workers.

That irresponsible behavior also endangers their customers, and spreads the contamination everywhere. So the company gets a profit boost and the taxpayers will end up paying the hospital costs of treating the corona virus patients that were infected at their businesses or through contact with other people who went there.

It's a great corporate welfare scam if they can pull it off.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
23. It can't get any clearer than that folks. It's not that they don't care about "the little people".
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

They see them as disposable, consumable resources at best. Let me repeat that: consumable resources AT BEST.

Worse: they see a benefit in the COVID pandemic. It rids the world of some of the "deadbeats", some of the "worthless" people -- the lazy, the colored, the poor, the "criminals", the poor and elderly "dependent on government handouts."

At Worst: the tRump response to COVID-19 is their actual game-plan; "thin the herd".

Is this being paranoid?

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
24. I don't think he can do this unilaterally. It will take an act of law.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:00 PM
Apr 2020

Otherwise, the republicans wouldn't be squawking about tort reform each election cycle.

I hope the democrats hold strong on not allowing the waiver to be put in place. Otherwise, what would stop corporations from hiring people, not protecting them, and letting them die?

cayugafalls

(5,639 posts)
25. Come on, did you expect anything else? I mean this is Dump we are talking about.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:21 PM
Apr 2020

Corporate America, not We the people.

The end game can not be any clearer. Corporations will win, we the people will suffer.

It is already happening. I just went and placed basically the same order for groceries I did 2 weeks ago and it is 15-20% higher in cost already. I don't see it getting better, it is going to get worse. Meat is going to skyrocket with plant closures. Eggs and Milk are going to double or triple in price due to spillage. Essentials are going to increase due to shortages.

Prices will not go back down again. They never go back down once corporations have a reason to increase prices. NEVER.

We have to go back to work to pay for groceries. $1200 dollars does not last 10 weeks.

I could go on, but this is just depressing. I really hope I am wrong on this, but my order this morning kind of shocked me.

Going to go watch some funny cat videos...

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
26. uh huh. very smart.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:27 PM
Apr 2020

Corporations require people to work or lose their jobs.

Worker becomes a carrier, and infects a family member, because corporation forced them to work.

Family member dies.

Worker has no recourse.

Worker owns a firearm and knows where CEO, or at least the immediate supervisor, lives.

What could possibly go wrong?

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are getting so close to the ACTUAL excrement hitting the rotating air movement device... Once it starts, all bets are off.

The walking infected, and their dying loved ones, have absolutely nothing to lose.

November 3rd needs to get here ASAP, before the lid blows.

The democrats just need to keep the lid on long enough to have a valid and FAIR election.

THAT may be impossible.

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