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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 02:30 PM Apr 2020

Bill Barr threatens legal action to force states to reopen: 'We have to give businesses more freedom

to operate’

Attorney General William Barr will consider legal action to force governors to ease social distancing requirements for their states.

President Donald Trump’s attorney general told talk radio host Hugh Hewitt that extraordinary measures to fight the spread of coronavirus were justified, but Barr argued that at some point they infringed on constitutional rights, reported Bloomberg.

“We have to give businesses more freedom to operate in a way that’s reasonably safe,” Barr said. “To the extent that governors don’t and impinge on either civil rights or on the national commerce — our common market that we have here — then we’ll have to address that.”

[link:https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/bill-barr-threatens-legal-action-to-force-states-to-reopen-we-have-to-give-businesses-more-freedom-to-operate/|]

Can he do that? Doesn't the constitution get in the way?
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Bill Barr threatens legal action to force states to reopen: 'We have to give businesses more freedom (Original Post) Soph0571 Apr 2020 OP
Ass wipe Barr threaten governors... BlueJac Apr 2020 #1
We have a lawless POTUS and AG. stopbush Apr 2020 #2
Since when did he or anyone in this administration care about the Constitution? redstatebluegirl Apr 2020 #3
He's talking out of trump's ass Walleye Apr 2020 #4
Oh, you mean....... MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #14
😗🤣 Walleye Apr 2020 #15
Just our reliable Bully Sidekick of the dictator in chief... FarPoint Apr 2020 #5
Just try that, fuckstick. Bring it on. SoonerPride Apr 2020 #6
The Constitution hasn't prevented them from doing anything else! 🤬 SheltieLover Apr 2020 #7
What are they going to do next? Windy City Charlie Apr 2020 #8
They might be able to bully some governors into moving faster than they otherwise would Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2020 #17
"We have to give business more freedom to kill people for money." The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #9
But...but...but....."States's rights"? Grins Apr 2020 #10
Two Possible Lines Of Approach, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #11
Reminds me of Stalin's quip: "How many divisions does the Pope have?" Grins Apr 2020 #12
"Doesn't the constitution get in the way?" MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #13
With this thief of the office, SCOTUS and Senate - there is no constitution, just rw wet dreams. lark Apr 2020 #16
Hah! Do they really think they can force people to go out and spend money? smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #18
What if they reopened all the businesses, JenniferJuniper Apr 2020 #19
Yes. Exactly. smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #22
The economy means more to them bdamomma Apr 2020 #21
+1, Only if you gave a LOT of it to them. In China they're literally giving away 300,000 million uponit7771 Apr 2020 #29
But what if they open and nobody came? Sanity Claws Apr 2020 #20
There are some legitimate Constitutional conflicts raised by COVID restrictions Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #23
Good luck with that, asshole. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #24
. eleny Apr 2020 #25
The employees of those businesses would be going out to eat more on their way home, and BComplex Apr 2020 #26
who wants to die for crapitalism?!? WEEEEeeeeee! pansypoo53219 Apr 2020 #27
The corrupt AG has no power to do anything like that rockfordfile Apr 2020 #28

FarPoint

(12,336 posts)
5. Just our reliable Bully Sidekick of the dictator in chief...
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 02:35 PM
Apr 2020

This is another of a million diversion piviots we have being tossed out by the WH....Oh yes..we have a Constitution with a 10th Amendment..

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
7. The Constitution hasn't prevented them from doing anything else! 🤬
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 02:37 PM
Apr 2020

So, is it all about states rights or a strong fed government? Amazing the way they want their cake & to eat it too.

Must cause some extreme cognitive dissonance on some subconscious level all this hypocracy & manipulating.

But, then, their motto seems to be any means to our greedy, racist ends.

Windy City Charlie

(1,178 posts)
8. What are they going to do next?
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 02:38 PM
Apr 2020

Ok, and after that, say the general population chooses not to go out and support the businesses that have re-opened to keep from getting infected with the virus. What are they going to do? Force people to go out and contribute to the economy or else? "If people don't get out and start supporting these businesses, we may have to address that."

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
17. They might be able to bully some governors into moving faster than they otherwise would
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 03:15 PM
Apr 2020

but "re-opening the economy", flooding churches and beaches, etc. ain't happening if we the people choose not to get back out there and start doing stuff until *we* feel safe.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
11. Two Possible Lines Of Approach, Ma'am
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 02:41 PM
Apr 2020

Restrictions on gatherings which include church attendance may be attacked as interfering with rights to religious freedom. Even if, say, simply all gatherings in excess of dozen are barred, some judges may prove synpathetic to the argument.

The other is a claim that state actions restricting business operations interfere with interstate commerce, and so come under the 'commerce clause' of the Constitution, which has since the New Deal been interpreted by the courts to give Congress, and Federal agencies Congress delegates power to, authority over just about all business. Courts might well agree, and if courts to do not, reactionaries still seeking to roll back Federal authority to what it was a hundred years ago might find such rulings precedents for further assault on what most of us take for granted about the prerogatives of the Federal government.


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

Grins

(7,212 posts)
12. Reminds me of Stalin's quip: "How many divisions does the Pope have?"
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 02:49 PM
Apr 2020

How are you going to enforce it, Willie?

On a side note I thought that should have been the attitude taken by Wisconsin’s Governor when Supreme Court told him he HAD to have elections the next day. During a pandemic. He should have defied that order.

“Whaddaya’ gonna’ do if I don’t, SCOTUS...?”

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
13. "Doesn't the constitution get in the way?"
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 02:52 PM
Apr 2020
Apparently not to these ignorant, selfish, thieving sons-of-bitches!

lark

(23,091 posts)
16. With this thief of the office, SCOTUS and Senate - there is no constitution, just rw wet dreams.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 03:10 PM
Apr 2020

So far SCOTUS has shown no limit on how low they will go, but I keep hoping they have a floor on treachery. There may or may not be one. Of course this could just be total BS as well, who can tell with this killer klown krewe.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
18. Hah! Do they really think they can force people to go out and spend money?
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 03:19 PM
Apr 2020

What a bunch of idiots! They can declare anything they want. But people aren't as stupid as they might want to believe. At least not a majority of us. We aren't going to go back out and spend in droves no matter what they say. Their idiotic base might do it, but that is not going to restore the economy and most of those people will be dead in a few months.

The liberals who are taking this seriously, will continue to take it seriously and will stay inside until it is clear that the danger has passed or there is a vaccine.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. Yes. Exactly.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 03:30 PM
Apr 2020

Nobody will come. We are not all that stupid and suicidal. Let them go ahead and do it. See where it gets them.

bdamomma

(63,836 posts)
21. The economy means more to them
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 03:28 PM
Apr 2020

than people's lives, they have such disdain and contempt for the American people, they are proving it everyday when people are dying. Screw the tRump cult, they will go down, there are more of us than them.

We have a impeached tyrant who needs to be tarred and feathered.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
29. +1, Only if you gave a LOT of it to them. In China they're literally giving away 300,000 million
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 10:46 PM
Apr 2020

... total in "vouchers" to go shopping in specific places.

The Chinese folk got sense, they know what's up.

AP didn't describe how the voucher program is working but if it was working well I'd think they'd outline how successful it was.

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
20. But what if they open and nobody came?
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 03:25 PM
Apr 2020

I think in some places and for some types of businesses, people won't show up to shop or do other business. The owners will find out that they were better off if they remained shut.

At first, there might be a rush for certain businesses, like hair salons, but the business will die down quickly. Oops. That has a double meaning.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,581 posts)
23. There are some legitimate Constitutional conflicts raised by COVID restrictions
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 03:33 PM
Apr 2020

The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, assembly, and movement/travel.

States do have the right to regulate safety and commerce, as long as it doesn’t infringe on Constitutional rights. While I support the measures taken by governors to flatten the curve, I expect there will be some cases that will need to be sorted out in court.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
24. Good luck with that, asshole.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 03:34 PM
Apr 2020

You’d have better luck applying “supply sanctions” on the states, and that’s probably what you tyrants have planned by repeatedly seizing needed supplies.

BComplex

(8,035 posts)
26. The employees of those businesses would be going out to eat more on their way home, and
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 05:10 PM
Apr 2020

shopping more for personal upkeep if they were working, plus they'd be buying more gas to get to and from work, and sending their kids to daycare. So it would expand the economy some. But the price in deaths and medical care would skyrocket.

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