I was talking to my friend who's a fairly high ranking NYC law enforcement officer about Covid-19

[Polybius]

He said it's much worse than anyone is reporting. He said the elderly are dying at a crazy rate, and a huge amount of them were never tested, which means they aren't counted in official Covid-19 deaths. After interviews with their families, he said he is almost certain they died of Covid-19, as they had all of the symptoms.

He also said that where he works he works (Bushwick, Brooklyn) many people are doing business as normal. It's so sad.

[tulipsandroses]

1. We will never know the true death count. NY did good by revising their #s

when they adjusted for deaths that had not been tested. Trump insinuated that they were fudging the numbers. But you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out if the average home death # was 25 per pay day and during this pandemic it sky rockets.
I don't know if other states are adjusting for home deaths, or looking back at records to look at spikes in pneumonia, heart attacks, etc that were more than likely covid 19 related.

A report in Florida recently talked about Covid 19 hitting FL earlier than they thought, they made that conclusion by looking at increased #s of pneumonia cases and death. I don't know that they are counting those in the numbers though.

[blitzen]

2. It seems that Florida is doing everything they can to undercount. n/t

[raccoon]

18. That would make sense, I'm sure they have a very large elderly population. In D

[kskiska]

23. I have to wonder how The Villages is doing.

[Mariana]

24. As far as I know, The Villages is doing very well so far.

They have less than 100 cases last time I looked, IF the numbers are to be believed. Of course I have my doubts about that. It appears The Villages got lucky, and shut most activities down before it had a chance to run wild there. My parents live there, so I check on the situation every couple of days.

One scary thing that is going on is that a lot of them are convincing themselves and each other that they already had the Covid last year, got over it, and are immune.

[BComplex]

20. Texas, as well.

Trying to keep their numbers low for their beloved trump.

[choie]

3. I live in NYC

What does he mean when he says it’s “business as usual” in Bushwick”?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

10. I suspect he means that they aren't sheltering in place, or wearing masks when out shopping, etc.

In other words, going about their daily rounds as though we weren't in the middle of this pandemic.

[Polybius]

22. As the other poster guessed, it just meant doing everything normal

Shopping as normal, socializing as normal, etc. As if there was no pandemic.

[mahina]

4. Jesus.

😢😢😢😢😢

[Hoyt]

5. CDC guidelines since early April do not require a positive test to count deaths. In fact,

NY actually adjusted their count by 3700 a few weeks ago for that. I’m sure there is stuff some undercount, but not simply because someone wasn’t tested when other info makes CV19 likely cause.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-covid-19-death-toll-likely-undercounted-not-overcounted/2973481001/

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931

[2naSalit]

9. +1

[Nay]

30. True. I think the CDC is using the "all cause" death rates for a state/country to get a

better estimate of COVID deaths. They do that by looking at the average daily death rate in normal times and compare it to the average daily death rate during COVID time. There's a huge jump in the daily death rate for cities and states, and for the nation as a whole, and almost all of those deaths are COVID. Why? Because there is no other major death agent killing our population right now that isn't already being accounted for by the normal average daily death rate.

[Ms. Toad]

6. Criteria for having COVID 19 changed on 4/14

You do not have to have tested positive to be classified as having COVID 19.

There has to be epidemiological support (i.e. exposure) + symptoms consistent with COVID 19 + no other explanation. That's why NY reported a significant jump in cases & deaths late last week/earlier this week. They were re-classifying earlier deaths and cases.

[cwydro]

7. He interviews families of people who die?

Is he a chaplain? Sorry, not getting this.

Nobody “interviewed” me after my mother died.

[More_Cowbell]

12. Yes, if the person died at home

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/us/nypd-doa-calls-coronavirus/index.html

I'm sorry for your loss.

[yellowdogintexas]

13. I suspect this is being done to help determine if the death was COVID related

or not. Symptoms, etc

[Mariana]

26. I'm sure there are still murders and suicides going on, too.

Police can't just assume everyone died of natural causes, whether Covid or anything else.

[LuvLoogie]

14. A lot of municipalities have police officers investigate

at home deaths. It's standard procedure. Such was the case when my Mom died at home a few years ago.

[Historic NY]

16. Unattended deaths..

[Blue_Adept]

19. It's usually done when people die at home

My father passed in the middle of the night several years ago at home. We had called the police for it and they came, set us up with the local funeral home director to come and talk to us, and interviewed my mother and I to find out what his conditions were since they had to eliminate foul play.

Nothing nefarious, nothing weird. Just a statement of the facts with what he had been dealing with for years. The FD, PD and ambulance crew were great, offering condolences and walking us through the procedures. But they do ask some basic questions just to make sure nothing untoward had happened and a brief look around just to make sure there were no signs of struggle, etc.

[Mariana]

25. Did your mother die at home, unexpectedly? nt.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

8. And that is exactly the way the WH wants to keep it.

They WANT the numbers to be low. They DO NOT want people to be tested. Why do you think that there are so few tests being distributed and/or performed ? If people are tested, then they care counted. If they are NOT counted, he can argue the case that they didn't die from COVID-19. He will scream about more "fake numbers."

Low numbers are what he wants to brag about.

[Hoyt]

11. We are way past trump being able to claim this is a hoax, no worse than flu, etc.

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[Haggis for Breakfast]

27. Absolutely, Hoyt.

But you know he will still try to get away with telling more and even bigger lies.

His twitter feed looks like he's trying to raise an armed insurrection. I put NOTHING past him. As we gather steam toward the election, we all need to be ready to stand tall and strong. One thing that occurred to me is that if these protesters of his aren't put down soon, they WILL use those guns of theirs. Look at what that buffoon - Ammon Bundy - did in Idaho at the home of a LEO today after a woman was arrested for tearing down a yellow police tape barrier.

This could play right into trumpie's (tiny) hands, allowing him to declare martial law. The president is granted ENORMOUS powers under a situation like that. And this keeps me up at night. As we near November, I fear I'm going to be losing a LOT of sleep.

[Hoyt]

29. I know. trump and his supporters are far worse than anyone could have imagined.

[Crunchy Frog]

15. It will show up in the death statistics.

A huge increase in excess deaths isn't something that can be covered up. No matter how badly Trump wants to.

[JHB]

21. Yes, but that happens LATER, which is way past Trump's thought horizon

He's proven that he can't handle looking down the road so much as a week, especially if he perceives his image at stake.

[Initech]

17. I wonder how many are dying because they can't get treatment they otherwise need?

That seems like a fact worth knowing.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

28. One word: (the) homeless.

And here's a few others - prisons, jails, immigrant detention centers. When the virus hits these sites, all Hell is going to break loose, and the WH is not even paying any attention to these places.