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RandySF

(58,511 posts)
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 04:35 AM Apr 2020

No, You Did Not Get COVID-19 in the Fall of 2019

Let’s start with the facts. I reached out to Stanford Medicine to try to understand the goals of its antibody test, and how it relates to Hanson’s fall 2019 theory. The short answer on the latter is that it doesn’t. “Our research does not suggest that the virus was here that early,” says Lisa Kim of Stanford’s media relations team.

Neither does anyone else’s, it appears. “There is zero probability [SARS-CoV-2] was circulating in fall 2019,” tweeted Trevor Bedford, a computational biologist at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center who has been tracking SARS-CoV-2’s genetic code as it has spread. Allison Black, a genomic epidemiologist working in Bedford’s lab, says this is apparent from researchers’ data. As the virus spreads, it also mutates, much like the way words change in a game of Telephone. By sequencing the virus’s genome from different individual samples, researchers can track strains of the coronavirus back to its origins. They have been continually updating their findings on Nextstrain. (In case you’re wondering, the strains have nothing to do with severity of illness. They’re simply a way to track the virus’s mutations over time.)

Richard Neher, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Basel in Switzerland, told the Scientist that Nextstrain researchers’ work has tracked the virus back to a single source “somewhere between mid-November and early December,” which then spread in China. The earliest cases in the U.S. appeared in January 2020, according to Nextstrain’s sequencing work. Washington state, where the first known COVID-19 case in the U.S. was identified, has at least six strains. A similar analysis of California’s coronavirus cases—which has yet to be peer-reviewed—identified at least eight strains in the state, suggesting transmission from Washington state, New York, Europe, and China.

If genomics isn’t your thing, consider this: If the virus had arrived earlier, we would have known. Humans have no natural immunity to this new virus, which is why it’s spreading quickly, infecting millions and killing tens of thousands. That’s evident in what’s going on in New York right now, says Black. “If it had arrived in fall of 2019, and we were all living our lives as normal, we would’ve had New York back in fall of 2019,” she says. There’s no reason why this virus would have spread undetected for months before wreaking the havoc it has.

So what’s really behind this theory? It might be worth considering the source. KSBW’s piece begins by mentioning Stanford Medicine’s research, then quotes Victor Davis Hanson, a Stanford-affiliated source; the piece reads as if Hanson is one of these aforementioned Stanford Medicine researchers. But Hanson is a military historian, not a doctor or scientist; he is affiliated with Stanford’s Hoover Institution, a conservative think tank.* (I reached out to Hanson for comment, but he has not responded; we will update this article if he does.) The piece makes no effort to clarify what the Hoover Institution is, and it delves into Hanson’s “theory” as a prelude to a brief explanation of Stanford Medicine’s study. Hanson’s recent work, published in National Review, suggests he is eager to reopen the American economy. It would be quite convenient, then, to claim that the virus has already torn through the U.S. and granted us immunity. (In that article, Hanson also claims that “much of the virus modeling is nearly worthless” and refers to it as “science,” in scare quotes.)





https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-circulating-california-2019-bunk.html

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pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
1. Not in early fall. But mid November-December 20th is still the fall, and it was circulating in Wuhan
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 04:44 AM
Apr 2020

then, and there were thousands of travelers every day between China and the west coast.

MaeScott

(878 posts)
2. Around Christmas, there was this thing we called the 'crud' going around
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 05:57 AM
Apr 2020

..lots of folks got it. My hubby went to the courthouse and was ill the next day. He was sick as a dog, I got a mild case from him. I wondered about it as he already had a flu shot in October, thought it was maybe a different flu strain that he had in Dec. I wonder about that a lot.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
3. And in December a young relative got a flu shot because I asked her to.
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 06:00 AM
Apr 2020

A week later she got sick and told me the flu shot made her sick. No flu vaccine I ever had made me feel like someone had "stuck a cold knife" in my chest, but that's the way she described it.

That relative, by the way, worked in a job that involved lots of contact with travelers to and from China. So we have to wonder.

mercuryblues

(14,525 posts)
4. When this started to a concern in the US
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 08:10 AM
Apr 2020

I wondered about that horrific cold I had in November. I had my flu shot a week before. I told my spouse I didn't get it early enough this year. Usually if I get a flu shot a I don't get bad colds.

The only reason I can absolutely say it wasn't Covid19 is because no one around me caught it. I drove in a car with my favorite brother for 14 hours on a trip. I drove with my spouse another 40 hours total in the car with my spouse during those weeks. As contagious as Covid19 is, they would have caught it.

If your wondering why I did all that traveling, both our fathers were very sick during that time and they live in opposite directions. Neither of them caught it and no family member we came into contact with caught it.

This year I'm getting my flu shot late September, early October like I usually do.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
5. Now that the first known US death is from early Feb, the virus was definitely circulating in mid-Jan
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 08:36 AM
Apr 2020

Another discovery or two like that will confirm that in our world with broad travel, it will be impossible to detect and prevent future unknown viruses. This pandemic is simply the first of many to come in what will be a new normal.

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
6. We moved our 22-year-old son to Queens, NYC on January 1st...
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 04:43 PM
Apr 2020

he texted me at 6:07 pm on January 19th (Sunday) that he was "getting sick." I asked him what kind of sick and he replied, "raspy throat, feel warm but also chills, fatigued. Was fine all yesterday but felt it coming on this morning and just gotten worse throughout the day."

I was very concerned because both of his roommates were away for the weekend so he was by himself in an unfamiliar place. Nothing we could do for him 4+ hours away if he took a turn for the worse that night. Oh yeah, and he was diagnosed with pneumonia in May 2019 which caused him to have to postpone a needed surgery for 10 weeks! His surgeon said his lung(s) had to be clear because he'd be intubated for 2 hours during surgery. The irony, eh? Everyone wondered how a very athletic, strapping young man of 21-22 years old could have pneumonia.

The plus side of the pneumonia is that I made sure he went to Queens with an air purifier because his apartment had been newly renovated and I didn't want him sleeping at night breathing in construction dust during the winter months.

He's curious to find out if he had COVID-19 and has the antibodies.

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