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Biden v trump: NBC/WSJ Poll, April 13-15. (Original Post) denem Apr 2020 OP
How is that not an 80-20 split? (MINIMUM!!!) Moostache Apr 2020 #1
Apartheid-grade tribalism denem Apr 2020 #3
single issue voters for whom one plank of our platform is a no-go Amishman Apr 2020 #24
[white] rural men v. Women in general empedocles Apr 2020 #2
African American voters..... SouthernCal_Dem Apr 2020 #4
When I was a kid my father once told me: PCIntern Apr 2020 #5
Clearly wryter2000 Apr 2020 #7
Without question - racism is a painstaking teacher denem Apr 2020 #9
+1. n/t jaysunb Apr 2020 #17
Yes, they clearly are. onecaliberal Apr 2020 #13
WTF are men so stupid??? Seriously. Why are we so stupid? SKKY Apr 2020 #6
Trump is a "Man's Man" Jimbo S Apr 2020 #11
A bully! redstatebluegirl Apr 2020 #14
"When you're a star, they let you do it. denem Apr 2020 #15
I'm Going With Punk! ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #25
White women? wryter2000 Apr 2020 #8
I'm a white suburban male age 35-49 Takket Apr 2020 #10
I am in that same group too Polybius Apr 2020 #23
So, trump has mostly old white rural men. No surprise there! mwb970 Apr 2020 #12
K & R malaise Apr 2020 #16
Trump leads with Men all ages 👀 and still skates with women 50-64. C'mon people ! Dumptrump lunasun Apr 2020 #18
Once again, Bayard Apr 2020 #19
and thank heavens for that denem Apr 2020 #20
I guess I'll take it, Music Man Apr 2020 #21
7% of African Americans still support Trump? Polybius Apr 2020 #22
That 30 point gender gap is incredible. StevieM Apr 2020 #26

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
1. How is that not an 80-20 split? (MINIMUM!!!)
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 09:49 AM
Apr 2020

We are witnessing the absolute destruction of America in real time, and STILL that fucker sits at the same 42%????

This is so fucked up...

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
24. single issue voters for whom one plank of our platform is a no-go
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 01:14 PM
Apr 2020

those who will never cross over on one of a number of issues; abortion, gun control, immigration, LBGT rights, etc etc. the list goes on

the modern republican party is a coalition of single issue voters

PCIntern

(25,491 posts)
5. When I was a kid my father once told me:
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 09:56 AM
Apr 2020

If you ever want to find out what’s REALLY going on with something, as a black person. They will never bullshit you the way a white person can.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
9. Without question - racism is a painstaking teacher
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 10:00 AM
Apr 2020

Chris Rock

You see these weird white guys getting overly patriotic, and they have their fucking flag hats on and their flag drawers and their flag pick-ups.

(They're saying) I'm American man, I'm American, fuck all these fucking foreigners. I'm American, I'm American!

And you like, hey, calm the fuck down! And their was a lot of accepted racism when the war started. It was accepted. "I'm American man, I'm American. Fuck all these foreigners!" And that was cool. "I'm American man, I'm American. Fuck the French!" That was cool. "I'm American man, I'm American. Fuck all these Arabs!" And that was cool. Then they went to "I'm American man, I'm American. Fuck all these illegal aliens!" Then I started listening. Cause I know niggas and Jews is next. It's like any day now. That train's never late.

SKKY

(11,797 posts)
6. WTF are men so stupid??? Seriously. Why are we so stupid?
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 09:56 AM
Apr 2020

I think it's time for us, as a gender, to tap out and let Women run things for a while. If it's like my own household, you ladies will fix what we've broken, make it better, and be done in time to help the kids with their homework.

Jimbo S

(2,958 posts)
11. Trump is a "Man's Man"
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 10:06 AM
Apr 2020

Authoritarian. Speaks his mind. Doesn't care what other's think. Yes, stupid.

Takket

(21,529 posts)
10. I'm a white suburban male age 35-49
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 10:02 AM
Apr 2020

Let me just say how embarrassed I am for my demographic group that we are almost single handedly propping up drumpf and Putin’s plan to destroy this country.

PLEASE every black, Latino and female GO VOTE and drown out the voice of the persons supporting drumpf.

Polybius

(15,337 posts)
23. I am in that same group too
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 01:11 PM
Apr 2020

Every one of my co-workers that are around my age support Trump. I'm the only sane one there, and all of use make under $75,000 a year. I don't get it.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
18. Trump leads with Men all ages 👀 and still skates with women 50-64. C'mon people ! Dumptrump
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 12:10 PM
Apr 2020

Trump 60% rural votes omg Almost exact opposite of urban votes 🤔

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
21. I guess I'll take it,
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 01:06 PM
Apr 2020

But like many here, the fact that Trump has even 1% of support will always baffle me.

The urban/rural divide is crazy. That's where so many of our differences lie these days. What is happening in our rural areas that make them so strongly conservative? Is it a lack of exposure to different cultures and points of view? All a product of the Southern Strategy? That is particularly when the big party switch finally happened for good.

I think of past days (such as the Depression) when rural voters knew that Democrats had their back against corporate interests. So many of them belonged to unions too, such as coal mining unions. It's a shame they've been turned to voting against their interests.

Polybius

(15,337 posts)
22. 7% of African Americans still support Trump?
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 01:08 PM
Apr 2020

Why does Trump do better with African Americans than the past several Republican nominees (Romney, McCain, W Bush, Dole, etc.)? While those guys weren't exactly friends of AA's, Trump is undoubtedly more racist than any of those four. Can anyone deny that?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
26. That 30 point gender gap is incredible.
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 01:44 PM
Apr 2020

It was 0 points in 1976.

It was 16 points in 1980.

It was 8 points in 1984.

It was 14 points in 1988.

It was 4 points in 1992.

It was 18 points in 1996.

It was 21 points in 2000.

It was 14 points in 2004.

It was 12 points in 2008.

It was 18 points in 2012.

It was 24 points in 2016.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016

I posted the link to the 2016 exit polls, but if you go to the address bar you can simply change the year at the end, going all the way back to 1976.

Obviously the exit polls are not perfect. In 2016 they clearly understated HRC's performance among Latino voters, as has since been demonstrated (the media refuses to report that, of course).

But these exit polls give us a basic sense of what has been happening, with most of their numbers roughly accurate. And ever since Reagan we have seen a big gender gap in most years. Some years the gap has been larger than others, and in 2016 it reached an all time high.

30 points would be an extraordinary margin. I can't believe that a single poll is showing it to be that large.

In the end, I think the gap will come way down, because Biden will ultimately do much better among men. I think he could win by 14 points nationally, and a total landslide in the electoral college. Any win that big would probably involve a good deal of support from male voters and a reduction in the gender gap.

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