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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 09:52 AM Apr 2020

'Sadness' and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/world/europe/coronavirus-american-exceptionalism.html

The coronavirus pandemic is shaking bedrock assumptions about U.S. exceptionalism. This is perhaps the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking for Washington to lead.

By Katrin Bennhold

April 23, 2020
Updated 5:06 a.m. ET

BERLIN — As images of America’s overwhelmed hospital wards and snaking jobless lines have flickered across the world, people on the European side of the Atlantic are looking at the richest and most powerful nation in the world with disbelief.

“When people see these pictures of New York City they say, ‘How can this happen? How is this possible?’” said Henrik Enderlein, president of the Berlin-based Hertie School, a university focused on public policy. “We are all stunned. Look at the jobless lines. Twenty-two million,” he added.

“I feel a desperate sadness,” said Timothy Garton Ash, a professor of European history at Oxford University and a lifelong and ardent Atlanticist.

The pandemic sweeping the globe has done more than take lives and livelihoods from New Delhi to New York. It is shaking fundamental assumptions about American exceptionalism — the special role the United States played for decades after World War II as the reach of its values and power made it a global leader and example to the world.

Today it is leading in a different way: More than 840,000 Americans have been diagnosed with Covid-19 and at least 46,784 have died from it, more than anywhere else in the world.

As the calamity unfolds, President Trump and state governors are not only arguing over what to do, but also over who has the authority to do it. Mr. Trump has fomented protests against the safety measures urged by scientific advisers, misrepresented facts about the virus and the government response nearly daily, and this week used the virus to cut off the issuing of green cards to people seeking to emigrate to the United States.

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Putin is loving this...
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'Sadness' and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Apr 2020 OP
tRump claims other countries are calling him for guidance on how SammyWinstonJack Apr 2020 #1
He is so full of shit. smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #5
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2020 #2
PUtin engineered this with constant talks to drumpf to ensure he fucks us as hard as possible. n/t lark Apr 2020 #3
This!👆 SheltieLover Apr 2020 #4
In regards to Trump, no one makes *this many* bad decisions, *these many* mistakes... Dennis Donovan Apr 2020 #6
Nope, he's following his instructions on how to personally profit while killing America. lark Apr 2020 #9
I was agreeing with you Dennis Donovan Apr 2020 #11
They truly don't care. Sophia_Of_PlanetX Apr 2020 #7
We have a greedy self-serving evil idiot for president dalton99a Apr 2020 #8
Merkel Yavin4 Apr 2020 #10
Buy a Benz and drive in backwards Dennis Donovan Apr 2020 #12
Merkel is smart, educated, caring Scarsdale Apr 2020 #26
American leadership is over. denem Apr 2020 #13
I feel the same Chainfire Apr 2020 #14
I bookmarked this thread so I could keep your comment. Alliepoo Apr 2020 #16
+1,000 n/t MarcA Apr 2020 #28
Brutal.😔 dewsgirl Apr 2020 #15
That's because exceptionalism is something you have to DO... JHB Apr 2020 #17
We've been in deep trouble for a long time. BusyBeingBest Apr 2020 #18
This is how far we have fallen. Nothing ever gets done. Jamastiene Apr 2020 #19
Holy Fucking Shit! 2golddogs Apr 2020 #23
Thank you. Jamastiene Apr 2020 #27
Well said and right on target. Every word you wrote is true and poignant. world wide wally Apr 2020 #30
Sadness in us too Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #20
KnR Hekate Apr 2020 #21
We knew this would happen when the republicans decided to elect a TV gameshow for president SouthernCal_Dem Apr 2020 #22
First a grade B movie actor, then later the game show host. MarcA Apr 2020 #29
The article fails to mention that on a per capital basis the USA has had fewer deaths than several totodeinhere Apr 2020 #24
America is sinking and sinking fast. Greed within the GOP leadership is what is destroying the US! UCmeNdc Apr 2020 #25
As a American, I can't really gauge what other countries think of us. Politicub Apr 2020 #31
Instead of being the adult in the room, we are the child. Instead of leading the world thru crisis, EleanorR Apr 2020 #32
I feel sadness and disbelief that one person can do SO MUCH DAMAGE, liberalla Apr 2020 #33

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
1. tRump claims other countries are calling him for guidance on how
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 09:56 AM
Apr 2020

to handle C19, since he's doing such a great job. Some reporters should ask him about this.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
5. He is so full of shit.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:13 AM
Apr 2020

He only serves as an example of what NOT to do and everybody knows it. Why do people let him get away with such lies?

lark

(23,091 posts)
3. PUtin engineered this with constant talks to drumpf to ensure he fucks us as hard as possible. n/t
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:08 AM
Apr 2020

He's doing everything humanly possible to ensure there's a huge death toll come Nov. so he can have lines 7 hours long in red states with blue cities and his goons out with guns and bad attitudes looking to stop libtards from voting against their hate enabler. Maximum disruption is what he wants and is working for, so he can declare martial law & cancel the elections, having already disallowed early voting and vote by mail.

This is his goal and our mission is to stop him!

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
6. In regards to Trump, no one makes *this many* bad decisions, *these many* mistakes...
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:18 AM
Apr 2020

...unless it's on purpose.

No one is this fucking bad at decision-making.

lark

(23,091 posts)
9. Nope, he's following his instructions on how to personally profit while killing America.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:22 AM
Apr 2020

Yesterday, him trying to bully the doctors onstage to say CV19 wouldn't hit us with a 2nd wave, that was all him and it was so childish and stupid it was obviously his "gut instinct". When he talks about the "embers of the disease", that isn't him, it's his people or PUtin giving him the artful term to downplay or even hide the reality of a strong resurgent virus.

7. They truly don't care.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:19 AM
Apr 2020

If you’re a scientist and you contradict Trump’s “feelings,” you get fired. He knows more than the doctors and scientists due to his 190+ IQ. He cannot possibly be wrong ever. If you disagree with him, not only are you wrong, but you’re disagreeing in bad faith against the most perfect, genetically superior human being to walk the earth.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
8. We have a greedy self-serving evil idiot for president
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:21 AM
Apr 2020

and an entire Republican party that denies science and unconditionally supports the idiot no matter what


Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
10. Merkel
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:24 AM
Apr 2020
She is listening to the advice of a multidisciplinary panel of 26 academics from Germany’s national academy of science. The panel includes not just medical experts and economists but also behavioral psychologists, education experts, sociologists, philosophers and constitutional experts.

“You need a holistic approach to this crisis,” said Gerald Haug, the academy’s president, who chairs the German panel. “Our politicians get that.”


Okay. How do I emigrate to Germany? I need answers people.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
12. Buy a Benz and drive in backwards
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:30 AM
Apr 2020


All kidding aside, you have to hand it to Merkel pretty-much across the board on how she's run Germany through this, and thru the Trump era in general.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
26. Merkel is smart, educated, caring
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:26 PM
Apr 2020

and KNOWS her job. tRump is none of those. He should send Jared of all trades over there, see how much attention he would get!! These highly intelligent people would not allow him in the room.

Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
14. I feel the same
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:36 AM
Apr 2020

From my perspective, our decline began with the unjust war we fought in Vietnam.

In the late 30s, we began a precipitous rise n power based upon industry, manned by unions and led by strong and wise leaders. A system that shared the wealth while making social improvements. Our nation has been like a roman candle, it soared high, shown brightly, but is burning out fast. By progressive standards we only had a good 40 year run.

Since the 1970s we have seen a gradual, but steady, decline in our society. Since Ronald Ray Gun, the curve has gotten steeper and steeper. We have had some plateaus that put temporary brakes on our decline, but we have been unable to stop the downward trend.

We can only hope that Trump is the bottom from which we must rise, for if we haven't bottomed out yet, we have no chance of survival as a single nation, much less continuing to be a world power. Our nation is now controlled by a tiny faction of the ultra rich. Elections are bought and sold. The working people have become tools to used up and disposed of. Never has that been more readily apparent than today, where the powers that be are advocating the sacrifice of tens of thousands of lives to maintain the economic status quo.

Every important move we have made as a nation, since Reagan, has had the effect of stratifying the nation and supporting the wealthy to the detriment of the workers. We have to find a way to reverse that process. We need a complete reorganization of the power and wealth systems. We need to advance social justice, we need to protect our physical and social world. We have to return the power to the people who actually create the wealth. We must have a system that works for all the people, not just those at the top. Our last hope of redemption may be in November. Four more years of Trump and there will be no hope short of a civil war which would make the current pandemic look like a picnic in the park.



JHB

(37,158 posts)
17. That's because exceptionalism is something you have to DO...
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:51 AM
Apr 2020

...not something you ARE. Action, repeated successful action, is required. That's true for any variety of exceptionalism.

The GOP long ago abandoned action in favor of posing, drawing on a reservoir of past actions to maintain the pose while sabotaging the reservoir itself.

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
18. We've been in deep trouble for a long time.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 11:04 AM
Apr 2020

I guess it's official now. And yet, half of our population still clings to a sick joke of a human being as a daddy figure/cult leader, and a loud minority are demanding that the weak be sacrificed so they can get their roots dyed and go bowling, while the rest of us are wearing cut-up t-shirts and neck gaiters as masks and searching for something to wipe our butts with.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
19. This is how far we have fallen. Nothing ever gets done.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 11:26 AM
Apr 2020

We keep letting Republicans lead this country and pillage and plunder our tax money for their own purposes for decades now. It sure didn't take long for America to fall under them.

Look at it this way. Clinton was harangued and harassed and put under an outright witch hunt for having an affair. All that just for having sex. Al Gore should have been president next, but couldn't get anywhere because of someone else's affair.

The Republicans have gotten us into numerous illegal wars, committed war crimes, hate crimes, domestic terrorism (that never gets called terrorism, even though it is) with the bombing of federal buildings, night clubs, women's clinics, etc. Republicans go off and shoot up malls, churches, and even SCHOOLS, killing people left and right with mass shootings. Black CHILDREN can be completely unarmed and be murdered by some random right wing lunatic and get no justice. Black CHILDREN can be MURDERED BY POLICE and get no justice. They have taken right after right away while we stood by and did nothing. Any time a Republican is president, he gets everything he wants, WITH the help of many in the Democratic Party. Any time a Democrat is president, we need supermajorities and have to put up with numerous special rules created by Republicans in Congress to hamper him from doing much of anything at all. Even with a Democratic majority in Congress, the automatic rule is that a Democratic president must have a supermajority to get anything at all done. Republicans never need those. Only Democrats.

We let Republicans raid, plunder, and pillage our Treasury to make themselves and their cronies richer, while we do nothing to stop them.

We let Republicans tell us the money we have been paying into Social Security and Medicare are somehow money the government is GIVING us. They call it entitlements and tell us we are not owed in return for doing our part in the deal. They cut our Social Security constantly, while we never rise up and fight it.

We let Putin get by with installing a despot as our president.

Republicans gerrymander our states. Republicans literally STEAL absentee ballots and get to run a new Republican when caught doing it. Republicans get to block many Democratic Party voters using numerous methods and nothing gets done about it.

This is why so many on the left are so pissed off all the time. The Republicans can do all of these things and do not even get a slap on the wrist. A Democratic president had sex and was raked over the coals and that impeachment has been used against us for decades since. The Republicans can literally kill someone right in front of us and nothing will be done to hold them accountable.

I don't know why the rest of the world is surprised. I've been watching it happen all along and knew it was infuriating and knew it was weakening the country. Most of us on DU knew and have been trying to say something, but half the time, we get told tough shit. Shut up about it. The double standard is something we have to accept.

We have been told that we can never hold the Republicans responsible for their own corrupt, criminal actions. Why the fuck not? Why are the rules changed JUST for us? Why do we squander opportunities to break their power and their control and their hold on our country like this? We HAVE had chances to do it several times. Nothing was done. We are FAR too lenient on them.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is STILL going so far as to campaign using faithful to their wife as part of campaign talking points, because sex is so much worse than hate crimes, domestic terrorism, war crimes, corruption, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, starving children, then complaining about a little government money going to feeding them breakfast in schools, pillaging our tax money to make the richest even richer, taking our Social Security money we paid in and telling us we will have to take cuts to money the government "gives" us from Social Security, and a whole host of other shit that is ALL worse than someone somewhere having some damn sex.

Don't compare us to the Puritans. It is an insult to the Puritans. We make the Puritans look like party animals. We let this shit happen. It's time to stop letting it happen and stop just barely slapping them on the wrist. This will continue until something gets done about it. It is this permissive parenting psychology that is allowing Republicans to continue to act like spoiled rotten brats and get away with everything without so much as a slap on the wrist.

This permissive, far too lenient nature of the Democratic Party has culminated in Republicans pitching temper tantrums at the state capitals and blocking ambulances from entering or leaving hospitals or in some cases even getting TO the hospitals, all while armed, which is something we are not allowed when we protest. That is yet another double standard and separate set of rules we have to endure that they do not. Meanwhile, Republicans are acting that way WHILE ARMED because they KNOW they will get away with it. Nothing ever gets done about it.

When are we Democrats going to quit letting the Republicans use someone had sex 22 years ago as a cudgel over our heads and hold them accountable for their crimes against humanity for decades? I'm tired of the fucking excuses and double standards and special rules JUST for Democrats. Nothing ever gets done about it. So, I am not the least bit surprised this country is failing to lead the world right now. We have a damn petulant, spoiled rotten, narcissistic rich boy brat who demands that governors in our country kiss his ass just the right way or they don't get PPE that WE, the TAXPAYERS, have already paid for and bought for them to have. We don't have a fucking country any more. It's NOT too soon to say it when THAT is openly happening. We don't have a country any more. Nothing is getting done about it.

I hope you are happy, Susan Collins and all of the others in Congress who gave Trump a pass instead of impeaching him. This blood and turmoil and fall of the country is all on your hands. Fuck you and your goddamn "concern." And don't forget how Gabbard voted. Yet ANOTHER reason nothing ever gets done. A sizable portion of our own party votes with them half the damn time. No damn wonder nothing ever gets done. It's our own damn fault for being too lenient on them and giving in to them too much. This is the outcome of continually doing that.

NOW, do naysayers see why those of us on the left are pissed off and tired of being told to STFU when we try to push the tiniest bit to stop these damn Republicans? It is never the right time to ask for equal rights. It is never the right time to stop police from having open season on black CHILDREN and adults. It is never the right time to push for any justice at all. It is never the right time for anything. It is never the right time to fight the damn Republicans. We never really fight them on laws that are passed. We never really fight them when they are caught outright breaking the law. We never fight them. We act like we need to cobble together a nominee who can just say they haven't cheated on their spouse. We act like battered women who have never had any therapy to overcome this abuse. We are still apologizing about someone having sex over 20 years ago. We are still being too damn polite and too damn permissive of their abuse. We will never get anywhere this way.

Now, it might be too late. This country is no longer a country. Some states, if led by Democrats, are being denied the very thing we need to fight this damn pandemic off, because some spoiled rotten whiny ass rich boy wants to be coddled more by Democratic governors or he refuses to give them what WE TAXPAYERS have already paid for.

This isn't a country. It's a fucking junior high melodrama centered around a selfish prick installed by another selfish prick in another country that is obviously STILL our enemy. Meanwhile, everyone is complaining about China, North Korea, and Iran still. It's Russia, stupid. Wake the fuck up. He is not even really our president. Why didn't we fight THAT? What the fuck does Putin have on our politicians that they let that MAJOR attack on our country's election slide only to try to get Trump on some entirely different actions he took later? Something about that is not adding up.

Something about all of this awful nightmare is not adding up and I am not even including the other nightmare that is Covid-19. I'm only talking about the nightmare of having an enemy installed president break up our country and incite violence against governors of several states right in front of us, all because they didn't coddle him and kiss his ass as much as Republicans are used to getting their asses kissed by Democrats. This is how far we have let the Republican Party go with their petulance and corruption. It is time we send their asses back to whatever part of the primordial ooze they oozed out of without evolving first. That is, IF, and only IF, we can have elections that get validated and get the fucker to leave.

I don't blame other countries for looking at America with a bewildered, confused look. It is a WTF moment in American history. I am bewildered, confused, sad, and in a state of total disbelief too. I think we all are. It is shock. We are all in shock. We need to get out of shock and find out what we can do to stop this Trump/Republicans/hate groups controlling America nightmare. When is the shock going to wear off so we can try to do something? As much as the rest of the world is sad and in disbelief, Americans are in shock. We need one of those 1940s movies face slaps to snap us out of it or something. FFS.

2golddogs

(107 posts)
23. Holy Fucking Shit!
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:08 PM
Apr 2020

Oftentimes I scan over very long posts. I’m having trouble focusing these days, but holy hell, I savored every word of that! This is simultaneously one of the most righteous rants and correct interpretations of our country I’ve read to date, I literally need a cigarette after reading that. One of the very powerful emotions I’ve been grappling with is a sort of grief over the loss of my underlying patriotism and this post articulates far better than I could WHY I feel this way and illuminates the darkened path we took to get to this point. It eases my sort of nebulous anxiety to see this thing spelled out in such an organized fashion. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
27. Thank you.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:31 PM
Apr 2020

I am so frustrated. I really do think we are all in shock. Trump is breaking this country up, openly. Everyone is in too much shock to figure out what to do about it.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
30. Well said and right on target. Every word you wrote is true and poignant.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:51 PM
Apr 2020

I also question the fiber of our invertebrate fellow "Americans" who can only see patriotism in the flag and the title of "President" (as long as he is a white man) and they keep voting Republican..
I find myself siding with other country "because" of the patriotism I feel.

SouthernCal_Dem

(852 posts)
22. We knew this would happen when the republicans decided to elect a TV gameshow for president
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:07 PM
Apr 2020

Now they're forcing us all to suffer the consequences.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
24. The article fails to mention that on a per capital basis the USA has had fewer deaths than several
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:11 PM
Apr 2020

other countries. Of course that doesn't make it any better that we have lost so many. Countries in Western Europe with socialized medicine have been hit as hard or harder than we have. I don't think that American exceptionalism is enough to stop this virus.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
25. America is sinking and sinking fast. Greed within the GOP leadership is what is destroying the US!
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:13 PM
Apr 2020

Until the regular Americans recognize the problem there is no way out of the downward slide.

Trump is the biggest problem with Mitch McConnell and Barr close behind in 2nd and 3rd places.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
31. As a American, I can't really gauge what other countries think of us.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:59 PM
Apr 2020

But I can imagine, if I were on the outside looking in, I would see a country in chaos and in fast decline economically and socially. It seemed like the Obama administration was doing so many things that showed how progressive and inclusive of a country that America could be.

Then the dark curtain fell with the election of Trump. Everything changed. I remember his inauguration as being such a dark moment in time. I will never forget the forbidding I felt.

And, all of the sudden, we have a president who praises dictators and despots while giving the finger to alliances like NATO. How could anyone think of America anymore as a beacon of hope. We are seen caging babies and children at the border. How evil is that?

With people like McConnell and other republicans calling for states to go bankrupt, I would imagine that we will be seen as a failed state in short order. And that will be a true assessment.

Biden will be able to bring back a progressive vision, but he's going to have a tough time fixing the country economically. While he is president, I am not going to say one word about deficit spending or austerity. If he needs to run up the national debt to get his priorities in place, then that's what needs to happen. We need a blue wave so we can streamline the passing of legislation.

liberalla

(9,238 posts)
33. I feel sadness and disbelief that one person can do SO MUCH DAMAGE,
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 04:40 PM
Apr 2020

In such a short amount of time.

Or maybe I should say two people? drump and Putin? Of course there are many that deserve an 'honorable mention'... (I'm looking at you, McConnell)

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