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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy bother with testing someone who is asymptomatic and has no reason to suspect infection?
So I am not infected today, but may be tomorrow?
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)And tested every 7.
In 1 to 7 days you would know you were infected and to quarantine for 2 weeks. With no testing you would he infecting others for 2 weeks rather than a few days.
They could also do contact tracing.
I think it works when the infected rate is lower.
Corrections welcome.
Igel
(35,300 posts)Every positive you then backtrack and test everybody they interacted with. And if they interacted too recently, you assume they're infected and keep them from interacting with others.
Yes, you might miss somebody. Which is why you look at cell phone information. Everybody who they came into contact with. Privacy? Que dices? No hablo ingles.
And in some countries they'd publish the name of the infected--"have you had contact with this person?" Privacy? Prosim, nemluvim anglicky! And good luck trying to explain what you mean in ... that language
That handles the asymptomatics. Test not just any person, but those who you suspect.
This has been complicated and has holes in it. Want perfection? First become god, and right after vanquishing COVID make all the mosquitoes into pollinators and make purple martins into seed eaters. And just dispose of fire ants, they're just a plague. In fact, maybe deal with the fire ants first.
Complications? How far back to you trace? A week? Two weeks? Might not show symptoms until more than 14 after infection. And what about one woman who was found dead and whose autopsy showed COVID? She could give no information about where she went.
And then there are people who turn off their phones (or, as mine was Saturday, dead), or have burner phones.
Fortunately most complications resolve themselves. If that dead woman infected 10 people, 7 would have had symptoms and turned up that way--then had contacts traced. The other three might infect people, but they'd be caught and traced back to the asymptomatics. That makes for a lot of sick people and doesn't work if there are too many such cases. (Tracing contacts also has an exponential feature to its progression.)
Another privacy complication, though, are those who don't want to turn themselves in. The program works best if you're immediately sequestered--not with non-infected people, because then you'd do the Chris-Cuomo thing and infect others while quarantining in your basement while riding your bike outside. (It makes sense to somebody; don't ask me.) If you're a mother or the breadwinner in a family you might not want to be sequestered. That means there have to be checks for symptoms in work places--and if you have a symptom, you get reported. Remember--economic hardship pales in comparison to death.
"Snitch culture" is a sine qua non for this to work. Distrust others, distrust local health authorities, and it fails--if somebody takes the position that sheltering an infected person is like sheltering a Jew in Nazi Germany, it doesn't work. Maybe it just fails in small ways--because it would be the same as with the dead woman, just messier. As long as such cases are few in number, it can work--but such cases are costly in terms of both sickness and expense.
question everything
(47,476 posts)And, I thought that with the first patients we did try to find the contacts..
Oh, and not all os us have smartphones that can be followed
Girard442
(6,070 posts)Without some kind of picture of what's happening with the overall population, we're flying blind.
question everything
(47,476 posts)Was more about timing. If I get infected a day or two after found to be negative, how does it help in the wide picture? Or, should all of us or, as many, be repeatedly tested?
MerryBlooms
(11,769 posts)If we're only testing people with severe symptoms, we're leaving out a huge chunk of data.
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)that infected people can be asymptomatic and can transmit the virus.
But whatever.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)A recent study in one of NYC's homeless shelters indicated something like 80% of the people there were asymptomatic carriers. Remember, around 80% of people infected display anywhere from no-to-minor symptoms. It's only the 20% left that are hospitalized or ventilated.
If you -know- you're infected, you can act to prevent spreading it more diligently. If anything, it's a reason for MAGAT-types to hunker down, because even they know better than to knowingly go out while infected... I hope.
Realistically, given the rate of asymptomatic carriers, this could lurk in the population for a -long- time, years if not decades, before another pandemic similar to or greater than this one hits. Only way to truly stop it would be a true 'quarantine', universal testing and isolation of those infected, but that's a whole bucket of civil rights violations that will never happen.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)how big the problem is?
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(47,476 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)why ever test anyone anything?
question everything
(47,476 posts)I wonder whether I should be tested repeatedly, not just once.
madville
(7,410 posts)All the new data is showing that the majority of those infected are asymptomatic. The lockdowns of course helped slow the spread to vulnerable people and our healthcare system didn't get overwhelmed. Now we know ventilators don't help the survival rate much , only 8% above normal use.