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lindysalsagal

(20,684 posts)
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 01:09 PM Apr 2020

All Biden has to do is sit back and continue to be his own sweet, smart, caring self.

And ignore the mud-slinging. The country is immune to anything the asshat can throw at him: We're in total survival mode, and we're desensitized to scandal, and the orangutan has only himself to blame for that.

McTurtle and the entire cabal have ruined america, soured the milk, and no-one's interested in their lies and sxcuses.

Game.Over.

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All Biden has to do is sit back and continue to be his own sweet, smart, caring self. (Original Post) lindysalsagal Apr 2020 OP
And all the rest of the county has to do is get out the vote. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #1
it's important to fight back. We've lost many elections by taking the supposed high road samsingh Apr 2020 #2
Biden is indeed a very good man, and kind ... but KentuckyWoman Apr 2020 #3
This ⬆️ Budi Apr 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author DoBotherMe Apr 2020 #5
Agree. Biden's genuinely nice man, but with long, grim experience Hortensis Apr 2020 #28
He seems to be taking your advice. Triloon Apr 2020 #6
Maybe you should follow Joe a bit more! WA-03 Democrat Apr 2020 #10
Yup, some are all about complaining even during this crisis rather than supporting the Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #12
Messages are only useful if someone is listening. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2020 #14
Who is the Green Party putting up this year? HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #15
If only I got a dollar for every smart aleck Green Party deflection. Do you not agree, then, GreenPartyVoter Apr 2020 #20
Glad to see you're a Democrat HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #26
What does that mean? Given the big win in the primary, people do listen to and intend to vote for Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #21
See my reply to the poster above. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2020 #22
Non-voter are always discussed but never turn out... Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #23
Maybe stop preaching at me and take the temperature. Triloon Apr 2020 #32
The Poster is Not "..Preaching at.. " you.. he's giving you Cha Apr 2020 #47
The wisdom you refer to seems to be Triloon Apr 2020 #53
Sigh...Joe is fine...and the choice is between him and Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #11
Or maybe people could bother to be engaged and follow along HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #18
It's only April treestar Apr 2020 #30
But Biden is saying a lot.. just bc the OP says he's Cha Apr 2020 #48
Thanks Cha! treestar Apr 2020 #52
Aloha, treestar! Right.. just Google Joe Biden & Cha Apr 2020 #54
You're Not Paying Attention.. Biden is Not "sitting back".. Cha Apr 2020 #46
He needs to being exercising his political acumen in the public arena, NCjack Apr 2020 #7
Biden has been out there with podcasts and on various shows if you are interested. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #8
Biden should be on TV news and late evening commentary shows every day, NCjack Apr 2020 #16
We are in the middle of a pandemic. I doubt he will be granted that amount of air time. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #25
Zoom, FaceTime. Others are doing that. NCjack Apr 2020 #29
What others? and face time only works with apple users. I know I have an Iphone. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #33
Ah, yes. I understand now. His bucket has a hole in it. NCjack Apr 2020 #34
You said others are out there...I asked who? I fail to understand the bucket reference...I suppose Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #39
He has town halls, podcasts and is starting a daily talk about Covid...but of course the goal posts Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #58
I'm not convinced it would do good now treestar Apr 2020 #31
That is a good point. Tomorrow for those who are interested Biden will talk about the Coronal Virus Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #40
Had no idea there were so many campaign strategists and experts present HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #45
Sitting back doesn't show leadership Sewa Apr 2020 #9
Maybe you should get behind the next President of the United States Joe Biden! WA-03 Democrat Apr 2020 #13
I am behind him that's why I'm offering Sewa Apr 2020 #35
What do you mean? What constitutes leadership in a global pandemic? Please explain, with examples. ancianita Apr 2020 #17
No he is not. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #19
So, did you at least enjoy his S.O.U.L. Saturday Rally? Hortensis Apr 2020 #27
I enjoyed it. Sewa Apr 2020 #36
:) He does a fair number of live events, as well as addresses Hortensis Apr 2020 #37
He will be giving a daily briefing on Corona. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #41
Agree. He needs to be more assertive about presenting alternatives Bucky Apr 2020 #44
Have you seen how many ads he's done in the last three weeks? If that's sitting back, I'll take it! ancianita Apr 2020 #24
No, no, no. qwlauren35 Apr 2020 #38
He had done this. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #42
My vehemence qwlauren35 Apr 2020 #50
I knew they were happening. I am interested. He is the only candidate who can beat Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #56
And keep up the great ads lame54 Apr 2020 #43
I disagree. Complacency is extremely dangerous as we learned four years ago. Crunchy Frog Apr 2020 #49
No. We didn't. We were not complacent four years ago. StevieM Apr 2020 #51
Whatever. You can take things for granted. I won't. Crunchy Frog Apr 2020 #55
Never underestimate Trump and the GOP UCmeNdc Apr 2020 #57

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
2. it's important to fight back. We've lost many elections by taking the supposed high road
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 01:26 PM
Apr 2020

'when they go low, we go high' unfortunately does not work again traitorous repugs and the fools that listen to their lies. We have to be factual but we have to fight back.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
3. Biden is indeed a very good man, and kind ... but
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 01:27 PM
Apr 2020

I would never call him "sweet" . He will fuck your shit up if you threaten who, or what he cares about. There's no way he has functioned at this high of a level for this many years without being good at letting stupid idiots be known for what they are and either getting them shunned or just flat putting a stop to their crap.

I'll never forget how he oh so subtly played Palin so that she absolutely roasted herself.

Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #3)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Agree. Biden's genuinely nice man, but with long, grim experience
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 03:06 PM
Apr 2020

battling what the Republicans have become.

When the national mood went conservative in the 1980s-90s, he tried to work with those who were getting put in office then, but with him we learned they were no longer the Republicans of the 1970s -- and that those weren't coming back. Instead, the GOP's since been completely taken over by corruption and extremism, and he has absolutely no illusions that this cabal of anti-democracy criminals and authoritarian extremists aren't committed to destroying government of the people. As they tried with their smashing of laws and betrayals of their voters all through Obama's presidency.

Interestingly, we've shown they're no match for Democrats when we have any means of stopping them. Clinton's and Obama's administrations both outmaneuvered them a bunch of times, showing off their special combination of unprincipled smash-through ruthlessness and incompetence at governance.

"If it wasn't clear before, it's clear now. We are living through a battle for the soul of this nation." Joe Biden

Triloon

(506 posts)
6. He seems to be taking your advice.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:06 PM
Apr 2020

I think that's the smug, self-satisfied, and lazy path to defeat. I thought we were all in such a hurry to get Bernie out of the way so that Joe could gird his loins against Trump. Guess not, now we can just sit back and let SARS do the work?
At this point most americans have forgotten there's a campaign going on.. Maybe Joe could remind them once in a while? I realize that stepping back and letting Trump shoot himself in the foot is a tempting strategy, but doesnt it seem like a self defeating vacuum of leadership?
I'd prefer to see some activity from the Dem campaign for President rather than some comfortable presumption that "Trump can't win."

WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
10. Maybe you should follow Joe a bit more!
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:19 PM
Apr 2020

Yesterday evening Joe had “Soul Saturdays” where Democratic leaders all spoke and rallied behind our next President Joe Biden. He gave a great message of love, unity, leadership, the pain we are all going through and that we would come out of this.

Great show and message.

How’s the weather in St. Petersburg Comrade?

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
12. Yup, some are all about complaining even during this crisis rather than supporting the
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:21 PM
Apr 2020

Democratic nominee and beating Trump.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
20. If only I got a dollar for every smart aleck Green Party deflection. Do you not agree, then,
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:35 PM
Apr 2020

that messages are only useful if someone is listening? I think it’s a genuine problem, myself. I’m not just talking about RWers, I’m talking about the proudly apolitical non-voters. I worked with one at school last year. I was alarmed to say the least.

As for the green stuff, click my sign link if you can see it.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
21. What does that mean? Given the big win in the primary, people do listen to and intend to vote for
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:37 PM
Apr 2020

Biden.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
23. Non-voter are always discussed but never turn out...
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:43 PM
Apr 2020

Best to work on the coalition that helped take the house.

Triloon

(506 posts)
32. Maybe stop preaching at me and take the temperature.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 03:21 PM
Apr 2020

The only people paying attention to Joe right now are the ones that already "follow" him. At some point he will need to demand more attention. Maybe later on sometime down the road will be just fine. But the fuse for election day is burning and I assure you I'm not the only person that first heard of Soul Saturday on Sunday.
Americans are all sitting at home, bored, and Trump's behavior is all anyone can talk about. "Joe is a decent guy" is not a campaign slogan that will win anything.

Spring weather is getting started in St Petersburg, according to reports, but I dont know. I'm in the same CD as you, the one where the only campaign signs you see say Trump. Until Joe figures out how to campaign in these weird times my donation $ is staying local, going to Carolyn Long.

Triloon

(506 posts)
53. The wisdom you refer to seems to be
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 10:01 PM
Apr 2020

"Follow Joe." "Pay more attention." What for? Joe doesn't need to win my vote. I'm already voting for him, come hell or high water (Both of which are on the way). I want him to win, and I think he'd better get his ass in gear. I see he has started a podcast. One among how many other thousands? That's supposed to bolster my confidence, unify the party, and win new voters? Campaigning in a quarantine is very limiting, but he'll have to get more creative than that. Somehow.

Joe was my fourth choice in the primary, so you may understand if I havent caught on fire for him. Like most Americans I'm not signed up for his emails and I dont follow him on twitter. So if there is a lot of action in his campaign and that's the only place to find it then its not going to reach me, like most Americans again, by far.

Again, I want him to win. He doesn't need to work for my vote any more than he needs to work for yours. It's all the other millions that I'm thinking about. Since Super Tuesday, and from the perspective of being distant from the campaign, the proud words of "Ridin' with Biden" are turning into "Hidin' with Biden". A podcast and a TV special are not going to win this campaign, and you know it as well as I do.

I guess I'll just wash my hands again and try to be more patient.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. It's only April
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 03:09 PM
Apr 2020

What is happening now will be forgotten in November. It's what happens in October that matters most. No one's going to be voting for the Dotard since Biden didn't say something in April.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
52. Thanks Cha!
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 09:09 PM
Apr 2020

I knew he isn't "sitting back" and all those other phrases. It's not that hard to find out what Joe is actually doing.

Cha

(297,211 posts)
46. You're Not Paying Attention.. Biden is Not "sitting back"..
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 06:28 PM
Apr 2020

The Primaries are OVER and BS Lost and has Endorsed Joe Biden. The "Voters" chose Biden.. they "got rid of him" as you quoted.. Overwhelmingly.

We Want to Kick trump OUT.. and your trying to label Biden as "smug,, self-satisfying, and lazy.. " is WRONG and NOT helping.

Look around and you'll see lots of "activity" instead of relying on what the OP says.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
7. He needs to being exercising his political acumen in the public arena,
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:08 PM
Apr 2020

not sitting around vegetating and getting dull. He is going up against a vicious, dirty opponent. A slip, a faux pas, a forgetful moment will cost him.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
8. Biden has been out there with podcasts and on various shows if you are interested.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:18 PM
Apr 2020

He is doing fine and 'vegetating' is a bad choice of words...

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
16. Biden should be on TV news and late evening commentary shows every day,
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:30 PM
Apr 2020

punching and counter-punching. June, July, August, September, October: just 5 months left.

I recall the urgency to get the trailing candidates to drop out so Biden could focus on Trump. Well, they are out, and now Biden needs to occupy the air time they vacated for him.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
25. We are in the middle of a pandemic. I doubt he will be granted that amount of air time.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:46 PM
Apr 2020

However, the good news is that dumb ass Trump is losing the election without much help.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
33. What others? and face time only works with apple users. I know I have an Iphone.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 03:22 PM
Apr 2020

And Biden had an event on Saturday by the way.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
39. You said others are out there...I asked who? I fail to understand the bucket reference...I suppose
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 05:29 PM
Apr 2020

it disparages Biden somehow. Biden has been around. I am interested so I watch. Perhaps you might try that simple solution. It would be far better than the constant sniping by some who apparently can't let the primary go...not saying you.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
58. He has town halls, podcasts and is starting a daily talk about Covid...but of course the goal posts
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 02:44 PM
Apr 2020

continue to be moved by those who supported other candidates and are still feeling somewhat bitter...not saying you...just a general comment of what I see happening. I have also seen Biden on numerous shows.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. I'm not convinced it would do good now
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 03:11 PM
Apr 2020

It would just start an attack on Biden that he isn't doing anything, even though he's not in office and can't. Framed as Biden cutting down the President in time of crisis. It's not that easy with the pandemic. I would think his campaign would have the savvy to think of a good way to handle it. But if they need your advice, I'm sure there's a way to write to them and warn them.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
40. That is a good point. Tomorrow for those who are interested Biden will talk about the Coronal Virus
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 05:33 PM
Apr 2020

during a daily briefing; this will happen everyday.

Sewa

(1,255 posts)
9. Sitting back doesn't show leadership
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:18 PM
Apr 2020

Biden is being overshadowed by others both on the right and the left. Imo he should be a little more visible.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
13. Maybe you should get behind the next President of the United States Joe Biden!
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:22 PM
Apr 2020

Sure it’s been a full fucking 14 hours since his last excellence event. JoeBiden.com/soul Saturday

Your ignorance may be your shadow.

Sewa

(1,255 posts)
35. I am behind him that's why I'm offering
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 03:40 PM
Apr 2020

advice that could help him. Maybe you should sit back and fully absorb my comment.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
17. What do you mean? What constitutes leadership in a global pandemic? Please explain, with examples.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:32 PM
Apr 2020

Who are the others who overshadow Biden from the right and left? Please name at least one name from each side?

What would be a little more visible to you?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. So, did you at least enjoy his S.O.U.L. Saturday Rally?
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:54 PM
Apr 2020

Different when you can't pack an arena with cheering people, but nice music at least and he said some really good things too, right?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. :) He does a fair number of live events, as well as addresses
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 04:50 PM
Apr 2020

from his home studio. And of course frequent social media posts and media interviews.

Let's be honest. People want to wallow in Trump's blood and idiocy far more than they want to hear Biden confirm what we know about him and our party exactly because we already know it -- and are comfortable with our certainty and committed to voting for him. Quiet confidence is not a bad sign.

Hate and controversy are much bigger draws than calm certainty, and Trump's self-mutilations and even immolations incredibly more entertaining. This forum has been one long stream of posts about the 2-hour Trump "presser/rallys" that many are already in danger of suffering withdrawal from.

It's just the way we are.

Say it isn't so, Donnie! Say it isn't SO!!!

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
44. Agree. He needs to be more assertive about presenting alternatives
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 06:16 PM
Apr 2020

He should be hosting Zoom sessions on how to stay safe and how the government should deal with this crisis -- especially distribution of medical equipment and calling out a trump screw for jacking up prices and other profiteering scams they're running

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
24. Have you seen how many ads he's done in the last three weeks? If that's sitting back, I'll take it!
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:44 PM
Apr 2020

His ad presence is powerful. I don't know where the TV ad markets are, but I've sure seen them on Facebook.

This guy is running messaging circles around this blubbering president -- 36 ads, at least, in the last six months.

Go on witcha bad self, Joe!

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
50. My vehemence
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 08:40 PM
Apr 2020

is the idea that "all he has to do..."

I remember in a governor race, a candidate said "vote for me because I am X". He lost. He had no platform. No vision, no ideas, no solutions. He was up against an incumbent with a decent track record. I think he could have done it if he had had a platform.

The last two ads I saw were sickly sweet. They definitely were not aimed at me. I assume they were aimed at people who are sick of the divisiveness.

What I would like to see now, in April, is ads that make people want to CAMPAIGN for him. Votes are not enough.

We have to overcome voter suppression, we have to overcome election tampering. And that takes an incredible network, an army of people committed to helping Biden supporters get to the polls.

Right now, we have to find THOSE people. This is not the time to lay back.

BTW: my only social media is Facebook, and I have never seen the podcasts. Wouldn't know they were happening if not for DU. So, in my book - not effective.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
56. I knew they were happening. I am interested. He is the only candidate who can beat Trump.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 02:33 PM
Apr 2020

If defeating Trump is not enough to make even those who supported other candidates want to join the Biden campaign and work to defeat Trump, I doubt anything Biden does will matter. The goal posts keep moving.

What will happen is we will put together a Democratic coalition with some Obama voters (some who voted for Trump) as well and win the election without the progressive wing. I think it could still be a wave election in fact. And if those who call themselves 'the progressive wing' choose to sit this one out, they will lose influence not gain influence. And that would be a shame.

Crunchy Frog

(26,582 posts)
49. I disagree. Complacency is extremely dangerous as we learned four years ago.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 06:37 PM
Apr 2020

He and we need to work our asses off to beat Trump and never just sit back and assume we're going to win.

It's hard to believe that this still needs saying.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
51. No. We didn't. We were not complacent four years ago.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 08:46 PM
Apr 2020

That is a media myth made up after the election.

Hillary did not believe that victory was inevitable. She campaigned for every vote. And shortly before the election she was in Florida with Al Gore reminding people how close an election can be and that every vote counted.

In 2016 we had an enormous ground game that worked tirelessly in the battle ground states to get every last vote, in case the election was a very tight one.

She prepared diligently for all three debates, remembering that Trump did not do badly in the GOP primary debates, and she totally destroyed Trump, something none of the Republican candidates were able to do. Her domination of Trump had her primed for a decisive victory, until the Comey intervention happened.

2016 was about James Comey's antics. It was about the fake email scandal. Attempts to make it about the quality of the Democratic campaign are not well-founded based on the facts of history.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
57. Never underestimate Trump and the GOP
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 02:36 PM
Apr 2020

They are going to try to smear Biden.

Watch for the swift boating.........

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