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[MissB]

1. I do not care what he may or may not have done

Frankly i doubt her story completely. But when it comes right down to it, nothing - NOTHING - is going to sway my vote away from Biden.

The alternative is the end of the country, so fuck that shit.

[RT Atlanta]

2. This is my view

Give equal time to the 20+ people credibly accusing donnie-t of rape and the like....

[dustyscamp]

11. It won't sway anyone who really wants to remove Trump

but I think it will have an effect on the uninformed and people on the fence. I predict the amount of green party voters for this election will be record-breaking.

[beaglelover]

47. Agreed. N/t

[pwb]

3. You know Trump is president right?

Come on with this Putin type shit.

[monmouth4]

5. Seriously, I'm sick of reading this nonsense. n/t

[jmg257]

4. Clearly it doesn't matter what happened. Too many

People just don’t care - even the neighbor.

Too bad, really - but there it is.

[pnwmom]

6. Why the hell didn't Reade come forward BEFORE the primaries began

instead of waiting till the moment it could help Trump the most?

I think this was strategic. Tic. Toc.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. Guys who do this kind of thing don't do it just once,

yet there have been no other such accusations ever, from anyone. The story stinks and I don't believe a word of it.

[still_one]

12. It doesn't quite make sense to me if someone "digitally" absued Reade, why didn't she slug

him, or make a huge scene at the time?

The reason some would offer is that she was young and naïve. Fine. Then why a year ago why didn't she expose it before the primaries got started? In fact her story was entirely different then.

Now she chooses to do it when Biden and the Democrats are doing ok in the polls, at the worst possible time?

I suspect if this doesn't gain traction, the powers behind this will be searching for someone else to try and exploit this

[lame54]

7. Why now?...

Why not 6-8 months ago?

[still_one]

15. Her story was entirely different a year ago.

[George II]

49. Timing. It's exactly what Ms. Reade herself called it. This is what she tweeted....

...as the polls were closing on Super Tuesday, when Biden destroyed Sanders by winning 10 of 14 primaries:

[unitedwethrive]

8. No one cares. This election is so much bigger than fighting over the credibility of an accuser.

I will say it again, given that Joe is our nominee, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue (or really anywhere), and I would still vote for him over inject-disinfectant-guy.

[Iggo]

9. For me, the tell is in the timing.

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She waited until it would only help Trump.

That tells me all I need to know.

[still_one]

31. exactly. A year ago she told an entirely different story.

[Baltimike]

13. Your concern is noted. It's not going away because you keep posting it. nt

[killaphill]

16. I've never posted anything about this story.

You must be thinking of someone else.

[Baltimike]

24. You posted "the story". It's your OP.

I got the right one, I promise you

[hatrack]

14. Blah blah blah blah 27 years later blah blah no precise date blah blah

.

[jmg257]

19. Sure it can, at least it's trying to be by a lot people

[still_one]

38. Oh please. Biden already denied the accusation. Reade changed her story multiple times, and a

year ago had an entirety different story

There is nothing to get in front of.

That she brings this version of the story up now, just after she deleted tweets praising Russia and Putin in March, even makes her questionable

Biden denied it, period

[Cha]

39. Please try to Keep Up, RRDrummer.. Biden has Denied this..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

The Rwing Liars are all over this shite from Reade.

Tara Reade's public incident report does not mention Joe Biden by name.

Examining Tara Reade’s Sexual Assault Allegation Against Joe Biden

On Thursday, Ms. Reade filed a report with the Washington, D.C., police, saying she was the victim of a sexual assault in 1993; the public incident report, provided to The Times by Ms. Reade and the police, does not mention Mr. Biden by name, but she said the complaint was about him. Ms. Reade said she filed the report to give herself an additional degree of safety from potential threats.

Filing a false police report may be punishable by a fine and imprisonment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13272381

[still_one]

42. +++

[Me.]

65. Who EXACTLY Is Behind This?

we can guess why. And all the sudden 'messengers' popping up...who are they and why now?

aloha Cha...

[Cha]

67. Dunno... :(

Link to tweet

Most can see it as dirty tricks, though.. except those with an agenda.

Aloha, Me~

[ancianita]

50. Biden has to speak up? Puh-lease. The New York Times already thoroughly debunked. But hey,

maybe it's just easier to keep up your concern.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

Here's the final debunking of all debunkings for Doubt Machine sunshine Democratic reposters:

The Times interviewed Ms. Reade on multiple days over hours, as well as those she told about Mr. Biden’s behavior and other friends.

The Times has also interviewed lawyers who spoke to Ms. Reade about her allegation; nearly two dozen people who worked with Mr. Biden during the early 1990s, including many who worked with Ms. Reade; and the other seven women who criticized Mr. Biden last year, to discuss their experiences with him.

No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of reporting, nor did any former Biden staff members corroborate any details of Ms. Reade’s allegation.

The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

Moreover, Obama and Biden were oppo researched in 2015.

Not once did any hint about Reade's Senate filing ever appeared on FOX News during the entire eight years that Biden was VP. But FOX and Republicans were calling for Obama's impeachment over wearing a tan suit.

Not once did Republicans bring up Biden as having Trump's problems while Trump's been in office. This is the product of the Brad Parscale-Putin troll machine, the one that expects the cult to have amnesia over any and all 17 filings in court of Trump's own sexual harassment and assault charges.

Is all this good enough for you?

[ornotna]

20. We can't actually kill the messenger

It's the thought that counts though.

[58Sunliner]

58. LOL!!!

[qazplm135]

21. well yeah of course it's not going away

The other side won't let and disaffected parts of our side won't let it so it will play until election day.

There's no way to disprove such an allegation, nor is there remotely enough evidence to say, hey I think Biden might have done that.

So it will hover in the in-between land in perpetuity.

He's denied it. I doubt there are other direct witnesses or anything else that's going to blow this up one way or the other.

So there's not much more to do with it.

Worrying about it won't change anything. A claim was made, he denies it, and there's questions about the claim and not enough evidence to make most believe he did it. That's where we are, that's where we will be in November.

[still_one]

29. I have no doubt Russia is involved in this in someway. Is it a coincidence that a year ago Reade

had a different story?

Just prior to bringing up this "rape" accusation, Reade had tweets praising Russia and Putin, then conveniently before this announcement in March deleted those tweets

With the polls going in the wrong direction for trump and the republicans, it is not a surprise that this neighbors story should suddenly be brought up

Reade does have credibility issues, but you are right, it comes down to he said, she said

The problem I have is she had an opportunity a year ago to expose this, and choose not to.

Now at the time where this can hurt the Democratic party the worst, she decides to bring it up?

Something seem right here

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. The role of the woman Biden picks to be VP will be to deal with this.

Oof.

[PubliusEnigma]

23. She was full of shit then, too.

[still_one]

25. This neighbor is not a "witness", but someone who is relating an incident she heard

from the accuser, whose story has changed multiple times.

It doesn't prove anything. This neighbor says she knows it is true because Reade told her. Reade who has credibility issues herself.

When a longtime friend of Reade's was contacted, she did not believe Reade's allegations:

"We were able to contact a longtime friend of Reade’s who wished to remain anonymous, but they said they “do not believe her allegations,” claiming she has always been one to seek attention. Note: We reached out to Ms. Reade for comment but she refused."

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

What is perhaps most confusing is that this neighbor said she is voting for Biden regardless, and yet both Reade and this neighbor are going out of their way to destroy the Biden candidacy this late in the process, and know very will that serves to help only one person, and that is trump. If they think this will propel Sanders to the nomination, they are extremely deluded.

and it is important to bring this up also. In 2017, Reade was attacking Russia and Putin on Twitter, yet in 2019, she praised him beyond belief, before trying to back out of her praise in March of 2020, just as she accused Biden of sexual assault.

Yes, Reade's credibility should be questioned, and her recent praise of Putin should raise a red flag, especially based on the Russian involvement in 2016.

Since right wing blogs, along with the far left blogs are pushing this, to me that implies that trump/republicans, and Russian trolls have their fingerprints all over this.

Not surprising since the latest polls indicate trump and the republicans are in trouble.

There is an interesting series on Smithsonian channel called Spy Wars, and the episode entitled "A Perfect Traitor", which covers how Robert Hanssen, who no one suspected, was responsible for the worst intelligence disaster in U.S. history, and the cause of the death of hundreds of agents in the Soviet Union.

After the Russian involvement in 2016 in our election, I suspect there is a link in 2020

Not a surprise that Glenn Greenwald's Intercept not only doesn't believe in the Russian interference in 2016, but they have been pushing this story to the hilt

[Wanderlust988]

26. God will judge Joe Biden. I'm more worried about RBG's replacement

That's how I view things. If we have Biden vs. Trump, I couldn't careless about Tara's allegation. She should've come forward when he was VP.

[still_one]

40. She should have come forward a year ago, and she told a different story then

[The Magistrate]

27. There Is A Proper Way To Deal With This, Sir

It is tried and tested, and it works.

Whether the neighbor is simply passing on lies the liar told, or a similar flake to the liar, lying on the other lying flake's behalf, in either case the operative strategy is the same. Assail, attack, and smear the person peddling the lie. Allow not the least hint of concession there could be any possibility the lie is true, and keep up the assault, being as vicious and unfair as is not just humanly, but demonically possible. Do not bother with mere denial of the charge, attack the person peddling the lie, and anyone biased and craven and sensation-seeking enough to pass the lie on, and keep on doing so no matter what.

"Can't nobody here play this game?"


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

[still_one]

43. +++

[Crunchy Frog]

62. I completely agree with you on this, Sir.

[democrattotheend]

70. Sorry, I'm not going to participate in assailing, attacking, and smearing a woman

Who is claiming sexual assault. It's fine to be skeptical and examine her story critically, but what you are proposing is what Republicans do and I'll have no part of it.

[VMA131Marine]

28. Incidents like this are rarely one time things for the men who commit them

I don’t know if Tara Reade is lying or what motive she would have to lie. I don’t know if something happened as she described, if nothing happened, or if what happened was somewhere in between those extremes. This seems out of character for Joe Biden, whereas there was always lots of smoke around Trump and you knew there had to be fires somewhere.
Then again, how well do we really know any politician. There were accusations against Barack Obama as well, although of a slightly different nature.
Biden was Vice-President for 8 years and you want me to believe that Reade could not have brought this up before now. It is too convenient to raise the issue now when the future of the country is on the line and we have ample evidence of the same and worse behaviour by Donald Trump.
The thing I come back to, and what was true with Trump, if this happened the way Reade said it did then there are almost certainly others out there who Biden has assaulted. This behaviour escalates, it doesn’t just stop. If there are others we need to find them now, not have them paraded in front of us by the Trump campaign in October.
I hope and believe Biden is being falsely accused but it makes sense to shake the trees and see if anything else falls out. Too much is riding on this to rely on hope alone.

[frazzled]

30. Given that ...

25 women have made credible accusations against Trump for harassment (and that we have his philosophy about grabbing rights on video), I’m not too concerned about this one fairly dubious accusation against Biden. Even though IOKIYAR.

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

[smirkymonkey]

32. First of all, I don't believe her. Secondly, even if there was any truth to her story, Donald Trump

is about 1000 times worse in that department so it basically renders anything Biden has done null. It's a non issue in this race. Move on. Next!

Just like the complaints about his son. The grifting and criminal activity by Trump and his own children is so outrageous, that nothing Hunter Biden could have ever done could possibly compare. This is all bullshit and instead of defending ourselves, we need to go on the offensive and deflect, blame and even lie just as much as they do.

I don't fucking care anymore what flaws the Bidens might have. There are two choices here. The not so perfect and the biggest fucking nightmare the world has ever seen. I think I pretty much know what my choice is going to be.

[asiliveandbreathe]

33. ...

[mr_lebowski]

34. I'm just going to throw this out there ...

You combine these two parts of the story:
1) she idolized him, and
2) she 'felt like there was nothing she could do'

Is it possible it happened, but Biden's impression at the time was that this was a moment of consensual passion? Is 'nothing she could do' synonymous with 'she gave no sign whatsoever of objecting to what he was doing?'

I'm not trying to excuse something I wasn't there to see (and certainly not saying anything like this even happened at all), but this would be far from the first time that a man's impression about something like this was simply and honestly incorrect.

Or ... became incorrect in the other person's mind over time, after reflection.

To be clear, if multiple women were saying this same sort of thing, I would be much less likely to entertain this possibility.

If there were, say, 19 women, for example.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

35. This is like a lazy cut and paste of Juanita Broaddrick's allegations against Clinton...

...which I found equally non-credible.

Unsworn allegations ranging decades back, accuser acted uncharacteristically affable towards the accused at the time (Reade praised Biden for years; Broaddrick actually attended a fundraiser for Clinton a couple of weeks after the date she later claimed he assaulted her.)

Both later brought supposed corroborating witnesses long after the fact (Broaddrick’s ‘witnesses’ include her subsequent husband and a pair of sisters who had a personal gripe against Clinton for commuting the sentence of their father’s killer.)

The “witnesses” never actually claim to have witnessed the alleged assault but rather claim that the accuser told them after the fact.

Just like the “accusers”, the witnesses won’t go under oath either.

Notably, while people want to “what about” this with Christine Blasey Ford, who accused Brett Kavanaugh of assault, Ford actually went under oath with her allegations, unlike either Broaddrick or Reade.

This is lazy bullshit.

[doc03]

36. Why is a negative attack on our presidential candidate being

posted on DU? I am sure we will hear plenty of accusations from the Republicans without helping them here.

[Me.]

52. That's What I Wonder

as well as the reason for doing so.

[Drunken Irishman]

37. I find it odd this friend says she still supports, and will vote, for Joe Biden.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

57. People all over this thread say they don't care what Biden has done, as long as he beats a Trump.

Maybe she feels the same way.

[Drunken Irishman]

60. Maybe but this is different.

We're completely removed from this story. It's easy for us to say, "whatever" when it's not someone we know.

I think we'd have a different take if the supposed victim was someone we knew and trusted and considered a friend.

She considers Tara a friend. But still supports Joe, despite believing her friend was raped by him? That doesn't seem right.

[Skya Rhen]

71. She mentioned being wiling to vote for Biden to try to act as if she isn't biased. I call BS.

[Drunken Irishman]

72. To me that makes her story all the more fishy.

She's willing to support Biden despite believing her friend was raped by him? I get not liking Trump. But she also lives in California, a state Biden is not remotely at risk of losing. If she believes her friend, how could she even look her supposed friend in the face again if this was remotely true?

It doesn't add up.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

41. TO ALL DUers,

PLEASE STOP GIVING LICENSE TO THIS BULLSHIT.



There is not one scintilla of truth to her fabricated story. NOT ONE. The woman is a head case in need of a caring, patient therapist. Her "claim" has been de-bunked over and over and over and over again. If Bernie Sanders hadn't dragged this back into view and tried to frag Biden, we'd not have heard anything about it (again).

Re-posting this nonsensical myth here is a waste of everyone's time.

Knock it off.

[Hekate]

68. What you said, Haggis

Concern trolling at DU on behalf of a Putin fangirl -- why??

[ibegurpard]

44. Where was this when Obama picked him as veep?

Or when he ran for president before? Or all the times he's run Senate campaigns in the past?
OK so she didn't have the courage until MeToo happened... that was several years ago and Biden didnt just become high profile recently. Not buying it. And Republicans have lost any credibility on sexual assault allegations... which is why this woman is supposedly a Biden "supporter." Nope. Done.

[pbmus]

45. One upWomanship...IMHO

You start a conversation with someone about men’s ‘violent sexual behavior’ , you hear your friend describe there terrible experience with a violent man...you listen intently wondering what can I possibly say that happened to me...

Whether this in reality happened as described or what became a flourished padded story of a man’s advances which she either wanted or as described later to a friend, what she didn’t want...

IMHO, nobody knows except the one man and one woman....and to change the course of Joe Biden’s presidential run because of a story that has changed more than once, is not only Irresponsible, it is just flat wrong.

[George II]

46. NEITHER of the two mentioned were "witnesses".

[democrattotheend]

48. The neighbor adds a little more credibility to the story

But I still am really skeptical of the timing, the fact that she's the only one to have made allegations like this, and the fact that it doesn't jive with everything we know about Biden. Also, I remembered a little while ago that when Obama was vetting VP candidates, it was right after John Edwards had admitted to the affair with Hunter Reihle. So I would think Obama's team would have been especially on the lookout for any hint of infidelity or other sexual misconduct for the people they vetted. If there were so much as rumors going around about Biden, they would not have picked him.

[Me.]

51. Yep, Another Messenger

Pushing this story, to what end I wonder.

[BGBD]

54. Go

fuck yourself.

[George II]

55. Think he just did, lasted a whole five minutes!

[Polybius]

56. I really hope mainstream news doesn't pick this up

Luckily the average person still has no idea.

[democrattotheend]

66. Unfortunately, they are starting to

The Washington Post ran another article about it this evening. I don't know if it's hit the TV news outside Fox yet but it will soon. There's enough there to be a story, although I still think there's a good chance it's a setup. But multiple people who remember her telling the story at the time and the Larry King clip make this more than just right wing rumor mongering, as much as I hate to say it. The timing feels really suspicious though, and it just doesn't comport with everything we know about Biden. And people who do this kind of thing usually do it more than once, but nobody else has come forward.

[58Sunliner]

59. Seriously-stop posting this shit.

I was assaulted, I remember every bit like it was yesterday-and it was 40+ years ago.

[Crunchy Frog]

61. Honestly at this point I don't care, and if she cared...

she would have said something before the primaries.

[beathimlikeadrum]

63. I knew

I knew this would be coming if the nominee was a man. What happened to Al Franken confirmed that. And it will be coming for every male Democrat that represents a serious threat to the GOP/Russia for the next several elections if we don't smarten up now.

This woman has told several different stories, her own brother was forced to change his story within days to match with the new version, she defrauded a charity, but for me the best evidence against her case is the Larry King tape. She claims that the woman on the phone was her mother discussing her rape by Biden. I can say with absolute certainty the woman on the end of that phone was not talking about her daughter being raped. It sounds like she's describing exactly what Reade herself had described for years (a hostile work environment, unrelated to Biden), and that was exactly what the topic of the Larry King episode was about. The fact that she's trying to use that innocuous call as evidence confirms to me that she's lying through her teeth.

[grumpyduck]

64. More fucking hypocrisy.

It's okay for POtuS to get accused by multiple women and for his supporters to shrug it off. It's even okay for him to say he would grab women by the you-know-what.

But heaven forbid a Democrat is accused. Galaxy-class scandal.

Attention-grabbing scum.

[Hekate]

69. See post 67. In addition to being garbage, the accusations are being purveyed by a Putin fangirl....

Thank you so much for your deep and abiding concern.

PS: You are aware that Donald Clusterfck Trump is potus, right?

[BlueLucy]

73. She's a liar.

It's more than obvious this is a political; hit job. I don't care if it goes away or doesn't go away