When Bernie suspended his campaign on April 8th, he became ineligible to stay on NY's ballot,

[pnwmom]

due to a NY law adopted on April 3.

So when he and his fans express outrage at not being on the primary ballot, that falls flat with me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/us/politics/democratic-primary-canceled-coronavirus.html

Mr. Kellner said their decision was in keeping with a New York law adopted on April 3 providing that candidates should be removed from ballots if they suspend or terminate their campaigns.

“Obviously the intent of the legislature was not to have a primary election where there is no real contest,” said Mr. Kellner, a Manhattan lawyer who voted in favor of scrapping the primary.

SNIP

Mr. Sanders’s campaign argued that the law permitting the Board of Elections to determine who had withdrawn from a campaign should not apply to him because it was too new.

[Cha]

1. The BS Campaign should have known about this law

that passed on April 3, 2020 when they suspended their campaign on April 8th.

I don't care how "new" it was.

[The Magistrate]

3. Not a Detail Man, Ma'am

Besides, he is used to throwing tantrums and getting his way, at least during primary season.

[Cha]

5. Thankfully no matter how many "tantrums" he didn't

get his way in SC or on all the Super Exciting Super Tuesdays!

[The Magistrate]

11. Those Are Actual Voters, Ma'am

That is not who he hopes to buffalo with the tantrums. Those are aimed at Party functionaries of a conciliatory and accommodating temperament, who really don't like to quarrel....

[Me.]

9. But That Was Before He Knew What It Would Be Like

when his boys turned on him

Aloha

[ehrnst]

10. Apparently there's a "waiting period" before a law applies to certain people.

The rest of us just needed to be made aware of it.

[Cha]

17. lol.. Thank Goodness NY made that law Before

BS suspended his campaign and then Endorsed Joe Biden on April 13, 2020.. That's 10 days!

[ehrnst]

19. No one can say that the law was passed to "kneecap Bernie."

Well, no one who pays attention to a calendar.

[Bev54]

28. Any idea what Andrew Yang's motive is to sue

the New York Board of elections by not holding the primary?? It is not a good look for him, I just can't figure out why he is doing it.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/28/andrew-yang-lawsuit-new-york-primary-217349

[Cha]

33. No, first I heard of it.. sigh. New York made the law

April 3rd.. there is no contested race in the Pres Primary. End of story,
AFAIC.

I agree.. it's not a good look.

[Cha]

2. Also, BS Endorsed Joe Biden on April 13, 2020.

[DURHAM D]

4. Isn't the actual reason for all the flailing because

AOC is worried about certain voters turning out for her primary?

just sayin'

[ehrnst]

7. She's also seen firsthand what happens to those who don't follow the talking points. (nt)

[Cha]

8. Oh.. I didn't even think about

her NY Primary. Certainly she can take care of her District on her own?

[The Magistrate]

6. But There Must Be 'Leverage' Ma'am

To bend Mr. Biden and the platform and rules committee to Sanders' will even so, and for that he must have delegates, the more the merrier. Making Mr. Biden adopt Sanders' policies is the very best way to 'help' Mr. Biden, after all. Things that cannot get a majority even in a Democratic primary are certain sure winners among the general electorate, with all it's middle of the road and rightist types just craving the leftist policies the 'Democratic Establishment' keeps from them.

[ehrnst]

12. Imagine the response if Biden were to have insisted on more "leverage" over the platform had he lost

to Senator Sanders....

[Cha]

18. Exactly.. and Lost as Big as BS Lost..

[Cha]

13. Hillary did that for BS in the GENERAL ELECTION &

it didn't help one bit.

One thing.. BS brought Cornel West on the GE Platform and he then Pushed Jill Stein for potus.. we know where and what hell that got us.

[LizBeth]

14. As it should be.

[Hortensis]

15. Sanders knew what the law was when he withdrew.

And of course NY knew 8 (7?) CANDIDATES WHO'D WITHDRAWN AND COULD NOT BECOME PRESIDENT were cluttering the ballot and confusing the choices -- and that Sanders might become another.

They did what they could to clean up the mess that had accumulated. Sanders knew all about it beforehand, had time to consult with his attorneys, and had the choice to remain a candidate or withdraw like the others. He chose to withdraw.

People who don't like that decision might properly aim their resentment at Sanders. But of course that's not recommended when we have a giant battle to save our nation ahead of us.

[ehrnst]

20. But different rules and standards seem apply to certain people.

Because just they do, that's why, and anyone who finds that puzzling is a "hater" or tool of "the corporate establishment."

So I've heard....

[Hortensis]

22. Funny how Democratic "tools" don't try to steal elections.

Good thing because it's apparently a virtue for leaders of Trump and leftist dissident followers but would be a crime for Democrats. That different standards thing, which to me would completely invalidate all principles.

One standard, one set of rules for all.

If Sanders and all the others just removed should be on NY's ballot, so should Richard Ojeda. He was the first candidate to withdraw.

[Squinch]

16. Oh, FFS. I wish they would crawl back into their caves.

[Demsrule86]

21. Thank you, I was unaware of this. Why a new law should be any less binding than any law is beyond

me. Why would we endanger people if we don't have to. I fail to see why Sen. Sanders would wish to do this.

[betsuni]

23. I'd like to know just what is so important to have in the platform (which nobody seems to know

what the hell is in it anyway) that's worth risking lives and spending millions of dollars which could be used to actually defeat Trump in the election.

I don't think most of Sanders supporters know what Biden's positions are. They think "centrist" and that's it.

[The Magistrate]

24. Sanders Mistakes The Platform Of A Broad National Party

For the manifestos of the little Marxist bodies of his college days and beyond. In these cliques, there is nothing more important than the 'platform', which provides a theater for displays of revolutionary virtue, and determines who is on top of the clique, and who is on the bottom and likely headed out to form a new clique in rivalry. This focus on platform planks is just one of the minor tells which betrays Sanders' Marxist background.

[betsuni]

29. Ah, thank you.

That makes sense. I wish they would play quietly by themselves and leave the rest of us out of it.

[Progressive dog]

25. NY chose to value voters' lives

over Bernie's desire to disrupt the election. His suspended campaign should sue NY so that Bernie can make it plain who he really wants to win the general election. I'm beginning to suspect it isn't Joe Biden.

[Gothmog]

26. This action will save NY state a great deal of money

Mailing a separate presidential ballot would cost New York a ton of money https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/27/new-york-cancels-democratic-presidential-primary-1280260

The cancellation will likely save the state millions of dollars and make it easier to increase the use of voting by mail in local elections in the coming months. But it also will anger supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who had hoped to win some delegates in New York to increase their sway over the party’s platform.

“We should minimize the number of people on the ballot, minimize the election for the protection of everybody … and not have everyone on the ballot just for purposes of issues at a convention,” Democratic Board of Elections Commissioner Andy Spano said during the board's meeting. ….

“But we’re dealing with a statute [that] specifically says that if a candidate has announced that they’re suspending their campaign, that they can be removed from the ballot,” he said. “What the Sanders supporters want is essentially a beauty contest that, given the situation with the public health emergency that seems to exist now, seems to be unnecessary and frivolous.”

Kellner and other election officials had framed the decision as a logical one that will make it much easier to administer elections in a year with an unprecedented number of administrative challenges

For one, it will make it much easier to manage a newly expanded system of voting-by-mail. There will still be a number of primaries for congressional, state, and local elections on June 23. But presidential ballots need to be designed differently, because of the way people elect delegates. That would have meant the ballot would need to be printed on a separate piece of paper and would cause at least a doubling in the paperwork involved.

“Mailing 6.5 million ballots for a presidential primary … in addition to whatever number is required for a state and local election, is likely impossible,” a board staff memo on the subject said. “Mailing a lesser number for a state and local election may be impossible as well, but it would likely be more attainable.”

And it’ll save some money at a time when the state's finances are in free-fall.

[George II]

27. Their letter to NYS Board of Elections cited the timing, incorrectly!

They said he suspended his campaign on April 8, and the law went into effect on April 13 when Governor Cuomo signed it. BUT!!!

The law went into effect on April 3 as noted here and everywhere else. That is BEFORE he suspended. He should have paid more attention.

Here is his letter:

https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2020/04/27/5ea626c6c5b6805f9ecf5c5f.pdf

Excerpts from the letter:

On April 8, 2020, Senator Sanders announced the limited suspension of his presidential
campaign

On April 13, 2020, five days after announcing the suspension of his campaign, Senator Sanders
endorsed Vice President Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee.

It was also on April 13 that Governor Cuomo signed into law Senate Bill S7506B, an omnibus
appropriations bill that added the following provision to the New York Election Law

From the NYS Senate website:

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s7506

Apr 03, 2020 SIGNED CHAP.56 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR

https://www.debevoise.com/insights/publications/2020/04/new-york-state-enacts-permanent-paid-sick-leave

On April 3, Governor Cuomo signed into law the State Budget (Senate Bill S7506B)

[Cha]

35. Wow.. Is that a mistake that they got the Date wrong?

They really should get up to Speed.

Thank you for this information, George.

[dlk]

30. Sanders campaign, nice try...

[c-rational]

31. Just a thought - I wonder if BS ever thought of primarying the dUmpster, he is an independent.

That may have been the best thing he could do for democrats.

[mac2766]

32. Please remember what the word Democracy means.

Bernie Sanders was my favored candidate. I still believe that he was instrumental in bringing to light many of the issues that are being debated currently.

Now that it is inevitable that he will not win the nomination, I have yielded and will support whomever is the Democratic nominee. Most likely Joe Biden. I will gladly vote for Joe Biden.

Keep in mind that I have no issues with any of the other candidates who lost the primary to Joe Biden. I'm not berating any of them.

It seems to me that anti-Bernie folks have serious issues. SERIOUS issues.

Let's Go Joe....

[Cha]

34. Just stop Accusing us of having "SERIOUS issues".. Don't make it Personal.

Stop attacking those who don't care for BS.. he Lost Overwhelmingly.. not everyone feels the way you do.

[The Magistrate]

36. Sanders' Propensity For Wrecking And Disloyalty, Sir, Certainly Is A Serious Issue

He has form. People remember his conduct four years ago, and are determined there be no repetition of it.

[pnwmom]

37. Pointing out that NY has a law that went into effect before Bernie made his decision

doesn't make me an anti-Bernie person. I'm not sure why you brought that issue up.

[Demsrule86]

40. When a person says the primary is over and Biden is 'probably' the nominee, it

is concerning. Biden is the nominee. There are no circumstances where Sanders will be the nominee.

[ramen]

38. Oh my christ on toast. Can we let this shit die?

His presidential hopes have been dead for ages. I supported his policy positions nearly until he dropped out, but newsflash: HE DROPPED OUT. Followup newsflash: he endorsed Biden. Nobody has to worry about the big bad socialist Jew bogeyman who is slightly grumpier than some in his age group any longer. Rehashing the primaries which, again, to be clear, have ENDED, with Biden becoming our candidate, is profoundly unhelpful. Do we seriously need more wedges within our party? This year? With COVID and president hyde on the loose and dog knows what else between here and November?

If some of Sanders' supporters want to be miffed about something, cool, but can we not let it be a reason to rehash what has long since become accomplished fact? He's done. You can rest assured he won't run for president again.

And yes, this is a nonstory story. No outcome would appease the lawyer quoted above. Jesus, can the guy not move forward? There hasn't been a point at which Sanders had any path to the nomination since not long after New Hampshire.



Biden 2020. Get that horrifying morass of a malignant narcissist out of the white house, put the grease fires out, staunch some bleeding, rebuild some bridges, but above all can we come together for a while? Just to see how it feels?

[The Magistrate]

39. Any Particular Reason, Sir, For Suggesting Anti-Semitism Moves Opponents Of Sanders?

"Enquiring minds want to know!"

[ramen]

41. I listed a summary of the primary complaints/concerns/fears about him,

which has to include anti-Semitism because that was a complaint lodged against him both overtly and as a dog-whistle, though I did not typically see that here at DU. Nowhere near all of those who were/are against Sanders as presidential nominee were/are anti-Semites, just as not all of them were opposed to a stronger societal safety net ("socialism&quot , etc.

But my primary point: Sanders is done; he has had the fork stuck in him; the meat thermometer has popped up.. whatever you like. I just want to get to the part where Biden is the 46th president, and I think we need to work together to get there rather than relitigate primaries every time we have the chance. I think we'll stand a far better shot against republican dirty tricks if we keep infighting about the primary to an absolute minimum and try to make it as easy as humanly possible for Sanders' supporters to get out the vote, volunteer for Biden and the party, and everything that goes with that.

[The Magistrate]

42. Primary, Sir, Means Principal In This Context

Between two thirds and five sixths of Democratic primary voters cast ballots against Sanders. What proportion of Democratic primary voters do you suppose did this out of anti-semitism? If that is a primary element of opposition to him, that proportion must be substantial.

That is not a light charge to make, and it might be best to back it up, or back water from it.

It might also be helpful if you could clarify how calling an appreciable proportion of Democratic primary opponents of Sanders anti-semites is conducive to the unity you urge so fondly on us, in the interests of cossetting Sanders supporters, as if their feelings at sound defeat trump all else, and as if no one has any particular reason to believe Sanders will not use his un-reconciled supporters to cause trouble at the convention with floor fights and demonstrations, just as he did four years ago.

[ramen]

43. Fairly low and not zero, I'd wager, though it is a famously hard bias to poll for..

I am thinking you may have missed the part in my previous reply where I pointed out two crucial factors here: 1) I do not typically see anti-Semitism on DU, which I think is an asset to this community, and 2) the anti-Semitism i alleged here is not specific to Democrats voting in the primary. It has been used as a bludgeon by some voices on the right wing, and even the "he's a communist" trope has some questionably anti-Semitic roots, as well.

Agreeing or disagreeing with Sanders on policy, character, or temperament doesn't make one an anti-Semite any more than planting a tomato makes one anti-squash. That is not at all the point the posts I wrote are making, and I think you're painting the initial post with far too broad a brush if that is how it reads to you. One can dislike a politician without being a racist or sexist or anything else.

Your presentation of my suggestion that we not take every opportunity to malign Sanders as actually being a demand that we "cosset" (I will admit I had to look this up, thank you for a new word today) Sanders supporters is confusing. I don't see trying to get past the wounds of a contentious primary season as infantilizing voters. I just want the current guy out, our guy in, and for us all to start to repair the nation, and I think we need every vote we can muster for that to be possible.

[The Magistrate]

44. A Decent Enough Job Of Backing Water, Sir

But not really good enough. The qualification you were not referring to members of this forum gains you nothing. Your original claim that 'Nobody has to worry about the big bad socialist Jew bogeyman who is slightly grumpier than some in his age group any longer. Rehashing the primaries which, again, to be clear, have ENDED...' will be taken by just about anyone familiar with the English language as indicating worry about the 'Jew bogeyman' is part of rehashing the primaries, and so must refer to this being a factor in their result. You then went on to claim you had listed 'the primary complaints/concerns/fears about' Sanders, which again indicates, as a matter of plain English, that his being Jewish was a factor in the primaries, indeed was one of the major factors in the primaries.

A flat statement that you have no reason at all to believe the Democratic primary went decisively against Sanders because he is Jewish would serve the purpose better than further explanation and qualification of your evident initial meaning. Whether you do so, of course, is up to you. I do not make a practice of telling people what to do unless they are in arm's reach. Without such a flat statement, however, it will continue to seem that you simply reached for a handy slur and never thought you would be called on it.

By the way, anyone who intends even for a moment to withhold a vote from Mr. Biden because Sanders failed to gain more than a one in three share of the Democratic primary vote is not only behaving like an infant, but like a spoiled infant in the midst of a full-blown, roll around shrieking on the floor tantrum. Such people are infantilized by no one but themselves, and certainly not by any who observe their behavior and describe it bluntly.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

[ramen]

45. I want to be sure I am understanding you correctly: is your assertion that I used a slur against

Sanders in these posts?

Regarding your middle paragraph, I can only suggest a revisitation of my middle paragraph in the previous post. That seemed to me to have been a fairly obvious and direct way of saying that people who didn't vote for Sanders aren't necessarily anti-Semitic. If it was not: one can vote for not-Sanders and not be an anti-Semite. I can only hope that the statement passes your syntax bar and indicates "familiarity with the English language." I did not say and do not think that Sanders lost the nomination specifically due to anti-Semitism among the Democratic electorate.

Regarding your last paragraph: I am on your team. I am voting for Biden. What I want is for everyone else to do so, too, even any lingering idiots still upset about the primaries who would do anything other than vote for Biden. We need those ones, too; we need every single vote we can garner.

[The Magistrate]

46. No, Sir --- Any Slur, Intended Or Otherwise, Was Against Democratic Primary Voters

To repeat:

'Your original claim that 'Nobody has to worry about the big bad socialist Jew bogeyman who is slightly grumpier than some in his age group any longer. Rehashing the primaries which, again, to be clear, have ENDED...' will be taken by just about anyone familiar with the English language as indicating worry about the 'Jew bogeyman' is part of rehashing the primaries, and so must refer to this being a factor in their result.'

It may well be you did not intend to convey the meaning so easily taken from your comments, and if so, for my part this exchange is at an end.

Be well, and stay safe.

[ramen]

47. I honestly hate to end up fighting with you. Your discussions here are sound.

But your latchings-on to "Jewish" rather than "bogeyman" or "socialist" are notable. If you don't think I was asserting that Sanders is a bogeyman but do think I was asserting that he is a Jew as to why I think he was unsuccessful in his nomination then I'll let that speak for itself.

[The Magistrate]

48. No Need To Fight, Sir

My view is that it was mostly people recollecting the damage he did four years ago laid low Sanders' hopes, though the 'Socialist' label did not help him, especially since he has actual form as a Marxist earlier in his career. But just as in 2016 Sanders took cultivated misogyny among his favored 'white working class' to be support for his policies, rather than the manifestation of disdain for an uppity woman it actually was, when Sanders went into this year's campaign he clearly did not realize the degree of cold hate towards him among people who supported Mrs. Clinton, and rank and file Democrats generally, who will not support a politician who openly runs to overthrow 'the Democratic establishment', and views it as something on a par with the Republican party. The man seems incapable of reading a room, which is a fatal flaw if your business is building mass support.

That you threw in 'because he's a Jew' among the leading factors motivating opposition to him caught my eye, because it seems to me so extraneous to the case of his pitiful performance in the Democratic primary, and when something appears which doesn't seem to belong, one naturally probes for the reason why it is there. I would agree that, had Sanders ever made it to the general election as a candidate for President, there would certainly be opposition to him as a Jew, that would be of real weight, and most of it covert into the bargain.

[mac2766]

49. Did you read my post at all?

I'm not miffed, or pissed, or angry, or not going to vote, etc.. etc.. etc...

In fact, my post pointed out very clearly that I am not pissed or miffed, or angry or whatever the claims are... and that I will certainly vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is... we're expecting it to be Joe Biden. Let's go Joe! OR WHOMEVER THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IS! Whomever it is. Whomever the Democratic nominee is I will vote for them gladly. Whomever. Did I say whomever?

While I seem very stable, you sir (or ma'am) seem to be very unsettled. Calm down. It's going to work out. Bernie Sanders is a fine senator and would have made a fantastic president, but things didn't work out. I'm sure he'll be fine. Life moves on. His whole life isn't ruined, nor should yours be if your candidate doesn't (or didn't) win the nomination.

Calm down.

[ramen]

50. I think you are not replying to the post you mean to be nt