Abrams really seems to be putting herself out there

[themaguffin]

I am a GA resident and I like Abrams - she was screwed by then Sec of State Kemp out of the governor election.

It sucks and reminded of it daily as we suffer with an incompetent hack as gov.

Of course she would be infinitely better. I wish she had run for one of the two senate races, but I respected her decision.

That said, I feel like she's over doing her bid for VP.

She's has great experience here, but not sure that she is ideal for what is needed for a VP candidate who be on the offense against trump this year and this overt bid seems novice.

[LakeArenal]

1. I think she's great. Hopefully if not VP..

Some great career enhancing position in Biden’s Administration.

[Dem4Life1102]

2. Not ideal?

How so?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. Biden needs someone who knows how to take charge, who has executive experience.

She lacks that experience.

[Dream Girl]

7. Klobuchar and Harris don't have executive experience either. Witmore is the only one who does

[CaliforniaPeggy]

8. You're right.

[helpisontheway]

9. Whitmer is interesting to me. She did not seem interested when a reporter asked her about it. I

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think it is hard because she has a lot on her plate now. Not sure if it is a good time for her with everything that is going on. I like her based on the interviews.

[Lulu KC]

13. I'll have to delete this later because I might be a moron

but who is Whitmore? No familiarity with potential vp with that name. Have I slept through another chapter here?

[eleny]

15. Maybe they meant Whitmer, the governor of Michigan

[CaliforniaPeggy]

19. Yes, Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, is who they meant. n/t

[Arazi]

26. Tammy Duckworth was the Asst Deputy at the VA. She also has executive experience

[question everything]

92. Both Klobuchar and Harris ran county and state attorney offices, respectively

That's plenty executive experience.

[Dem4Life1102]

16. If experience mattered

Trump wouldn't be President nor would Obama. In the end experience arguments only benefit incumbents.

[question everything]

91. And lack national exposure

DU notwithstanding

[chillfactor]

3. I am 100% behind Abrams!

She is intelliigent, artiulate, a fantastic speaker.

[PoliticAverse]

5. She's promoting "her brand" and boosting her speaking fees...

https://www.harrywalker.com/speakers/stacey-abrams/

[RANDYWILDMAN]

6. She is ideal

Smart ,bright, powerful, genuine and capable of taking over if the need arises.

Harris comes off as too rough for me.

[OnDoutside]

12. +1

[Skittles]

80. too ROUGH?

[kentuck]

10. We need someone who can step into the presidency...

I'm not sure Abrams is that person?

[OnDoutside]

11. You should look more into her, Kentuck, she is extremely capable and eloquent too. Here is her

interview with Tremayne Lee on Into America podcast

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/into-america/e/69173967

I think she has a tremendous amount going for her, having only been denied the Georgia Gubernatorial win by criminality. She now leads Fair Fight Action, which fights voter suppression (how topical !!!)

From wiki

In 1995 Abrams earned a Bachelor of Arts in interdisciplinary studies (political science, economics and sociology) from Spelman College, magna cum laude. While in college she worked in the youth services department in the office of Atlanta mayor Maynard Jackson. She later interned at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

As a Harry S. Truman Scholar, Abrams studied public policy at the University of Texas at Austin's LBJ School of Public Affairs, where she earned a Master of Public Affairs degree in 1998.

In 1999 she earned a Juris Doctor from Yale Law School

After graduating from law school, Abrams worked as a tax attorney at the Sutherland Asbill & Brennan law firm in Atlanta, with a focus on tax-exempt organizations, health care, and public finance.

In 2010, while a member of the Georgia General Assembly, Abrams co-founded and served as the senior vice president of NOW Corp. (formerly NOWaccount Network Corporation), a financial services firm.

Abrams also co-founded Nourish, Inc., a beverage company with a focus on infants and toddlers,[12] and is CEO of Sage Works, a legal consulting firm that has represented clients including the Atlanta Dream of the Women's National Basketball Association.

In 2002, at age 29, Abrams was appointed the deputy city attorney for the City of Atlanta

Georgia General Assembly, 2007–2017
In November 2010, the Democratic caucus elected Abrams to succeed DuBose Porter as minority leader over Virgil Flood.[19] Abrams's first major action as minority leader was to cooperate with Republican governor Nathan Deal's administration to reform the HOPE Scholarship program. She co-sponsored the 2011 legislation that preserved the HOPE program by decreasing the scholarship amount paid to Georgia students and funded a 1% low-interest loan program for students.

On August 17, 2019, Abrams announced the founding of Fair Fight 2020, an organization that will assist Democrats financially and technically to build voter protection teams in 20 states. Abrams is Fair Fight Action 2020's chair.[42] Billionaire and former Republican New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg contributed $5 million shortly after announcing his run for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination

Political Positions

Abrams is pro-choice, advocates for expanded gun control, and opposes proposals for stricter voter ID laws. Abrams has argued that voter ID laws disenfranchise minorities and the poor. Abrams pledged to oppose legislation similar to the religious liberty bill that Governor Deal vetoed in 2016.

Health care
In her campaign for governor, Abrams said her top priority was Medicaid expansion.[21][51] She cited research showing that Medicaid expansion improved health care access for low-income residents and made hospitals in rural locations financially viable.[51] She also created a plan to address Georgia's high maternal mortality rate.[52]

Education
Abrams would like to increase spending on public education.[21] She opposes private school vouchers, instead advocating improvements to the public education system. She supports smaller class sizes, more school counselors, protected pensions, better pay for teachers, and expanded early childhood education.[53]

Criminal justice reform
Abrams supports criminal justice reform in the form of ending cash bail for poor defendants, ending the death penalty, and decriminalizing small amounts of marijuana possession.

[tinrobot]

131. Then maybe a cabinet post for Abrams.

Abrams has not proven herself in office on the national stage. She needs time to build her resume. Give her a cabinet post.

For VP, there are plenty of qualified candidates who have proven themselves nationally. Pick one of those.

[OnDoutside]

132. Who are these "plenty of qualified candidates" of which you speak ?

[tinrobot]

133. Oh jeez... I don't play that game.

Make up your own list.

[OnDoutside]

134. Gotcha, thanks, I can thus only conclude your post was just a kick on Abrams.

[tinrobot]

135. You read it wrong. My post was that Abrams is absolutely NOT qualified.

She doesn't have national-level experience. Senate, Governor, Cabinet, etc...

There's a long list of woman who actually do have that required experience. There's absolutely NO reason to pick Abrams over one of them.

[OnDoutside]

136. And you refused to name that list.

[tinrobot]

137. My post was about Abrams, not who I personally want for VP.

[OnDoutside]

138. "there are plenty of qualified candidates who have proven themselves nationally." Yet you

won't name them.

[Dem4Life1102]

23. Why?

Is Biden planning not to serve his full term (or hopefully 2 terms)?

[kentuck]

27. Are you in your eighties?

I'm not that optimistic for a second term.

I believe Joe said he would only serve one term?

[Dem4Life1102]

28. So?

Is he planning to resign before his first term ends?

[womanofthehills]

102. Abrams is a strong take charge person who really communicates well

I think Abrams or Harris could easily step in. OMG! Did you see the video of Abrams speaking at a rally when she was a only a freshman in college? She has got it!!

[musclecar6]

14. Here's my concern

With either Abrams or Kamala. Both would be an excellent choice and Joe has to choose which of the maybe 10 good choices works best for him.

Although I think Barack was the best president in our lifetime and I would love to see a black woman VP pick for Joe, I worry that the racist voter assholes who might detest Trump would still vote for him rather than a black person due to their despicable bias.

Maybe that’s needless worry and having a black woman VP for Joe would more than be made up by an even bigger turnout of minorities and all the rest of us who will be thrilled to have another black person leading our country.

[themaguffin]

21. If a black VP pick would scare off a voter, we never had that voter to begin with

[tritsofme]

17. I just don't feel she is ready to be president on day one.

In the way that someone like Kamala Harris would be.

Abrams needs some more high profile experience, and I think lots of potential opportunities will open for her in Biden’s administration.

[kentuck]

22. I think Kamala's experience as AG of a large state like CA and also a US Senator...

...makes her very capable.

[Dem4Life1102]

24. Why does she need to be ready on day one?

Is Biden planning on resigning on day one?

[tritsofme]

25. The best laid plans of mice and men...

[Dem4Life1102]

29. Which are?

[tritsofme]

30. I never realized having a vice president ready to assume duties on day one was controversial

You might have noticed we are in the midst of a global pandemic, that has not discriminated against world leaders? Not to mention, mortality tables are what they are.

The question, rather, answers itself.

[Dem4Life1102]

31. No

It's the implication that Biden won't live through his first term. That is just a GOP talking point.

[Marrah_Goodman]

33. Any president might not live through his or her term.

That is why we have a line of succession.

[Dem4Life1102]

34. Still a GOP talking point

in regard to Biden.

[Marrah_Goodman]

37. That might be how you think of it.

It doesn't make it any less of a valid criteria for choosing a VP.

[Dem4Life1102]

38. No it is a GOP talking point

and will only help Trump.

[Marrah_Goodman]

39. whatever...

[Dem4Life1102]

40. Sorry but it is a GOP talking point

and repeating it only helps Trump.

[Polybius]

119. Everyone is disagreeing with you

It's time to give it a rest, any President can leave office prematurely and not finish his or her term, especially those over 65 with a pandemic going on (and probably returning this Fall).

[tritsofme]

35. The reality of mortality tables is not a "GOP talking point"

It is also nothing near disqualifying, but does require prudent planning.

[Dem4Life1102]

36. Yes it is. It only benefits Trump.

Anything that diminishes Biden does.

[tritsofme]

43. Sorry, it is silly to play pretend.

We’re adults here, we can discuss issues rationally.

Mortality tables aren’t biased, they aren’t taking points, we are all at their mercy.

Acknowledging our mortality is not diminishing, good leaders plan for contingencies. Having a VP who can takeover on day one is a critical part of that.

[Dem4Life1102]

44. It's a GOP talking point

That will only help Trump. But if you want you can continue to push some bizarre principle to make yourself feel superior or you can help Biden win.

[tritsofme]

45. I'm not quite sure what the hell you are talking about at this point.

The very premise that our discussion here has some sort of impact on the election or Biden’s chances is beyond silly.

That Joe Biden will be the oldest man elected president will always be a narrative, I can’t wish him younger any more than I can myself.

[Dem4Life1102]

46. What I'm talking about is

you repeating GOP talking points. But keep helping Trump if it makes you feel good.

[tritsofme]

47. lol, you certainly are a strange one.

Your talking point about talking points is a bad talking point. Make it a point to find some better talking points.

[Dem4Life1102]

49. How about just stop

repeating a GOP talking point that hurts Biden and helps Trump.

[tritsofme]

50. I reject your premise. Deal with it.

You cannot shut down discussions with your lame talking points about talking points.

[Dem4Life1102]

51. It is a GOP talking point

that only helps Trump. My goal is to help Biden win and save this country. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

57. Blah blah blah. Wanting Biden to choose a VP ready to assume office on day one

Does not “help Trump”...that is patent nonsense.

Your imputation of motives is as bizarre as this entire exchange.

[Dem4Life1102]

60. Any argument

about Biden's age helps Trump. Experience arguments only benefit incumbents.

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

62. We disagree. You seem incapable of believing that can happen in good faith.

Biden’s age isn’t something that must be hidden, or that we should be ashamed of.

My feeling is that a vice president who is ready to assume duties on day one will give voters confidence in elevating the oldest man ever to hold the office.

[Dem4Life1102]

63. Your argument will only help Trump

So good job. You can feel so proud of yourself.

[tritsofme]

64. lol, This has to be one of the most bizarre exchanges in my nearly 17 years here.

“Agree with me or you support Trump”

Thanks for the entertainment, I’ll bookmark this one.

[Dem4Life1102]

70. No repeating a GOP talking point

that diminishes our nominee helps Trump.

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours? I've asked twice before and you still haven't answered.

[tritsofme]

72. Again, I disagree with your analysis.

Believe it or not, agreeing with you is not a pre-requisite for supporters of Biden.

Your framing and imputation of motives is ridiculous, you are quite right that I am not playing along.

[Dem4Life1102]

74. Not my analysis

It's a GOP talking point whether you're willing to admit it or not.

And I'll ask again. My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

76. Your talking points about talking points are nonsense.

But we've already covered that.

[Dem4Life1102]

77. Any argument

that diminishes Biden's fitness for President IS a GOP talking point.

And yet again my goal is to help Biden win. What is yours? I've asked 5 times now and you still refuse to answer.

[tritsofme]

79. I do not agree with your analysis. I know this is difficult for you to understand.

That someone, somewhere, might disagree with you. But here we are.

Your "question" assumes bad faith, you can deposit it somewhere even Trump won't grab.

[Dem4Life1102]

81. Not my analysis

Or are you saying that diminishing Biden's fitness for office doesn't benefit Trump.

My question assumes nothing. Yet you refuse to answer it. Interesting.

[tritsofme]

83. You have repeatedly implied that disagreeing with your analysis

is the equivalent of supporting Trump. No one here needs to answer to you, I’ve already told you what I think of your “question”

Mortality tables are not Republican talking points, acknowledging that Biden faces different circumstances than a 50 year old candidate is not a Republican talking point.

As I’ve said repeatedly, choosing a vice president who is ready to assume the duties on day one, giving confidence to voters who are elevating the oldest man to ever hold the job, is the best way to ensure Biden’s candidacy is successful.

[Dem4Life1102]

86. No I have repeatedly stated that

any argument that diminishes Biden's fitness for office helps Trump. And IS a GOP talking point.

And again you refuse to answer a simple question. My goal is to help Biden win the election. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

87. I disagree with your framing.

And I more than understand how difficult of a concept that is for you to comprehend.

And again, I am uninterested in your question game.

But I will repeat what I said above.

Choosing a vice president who is ready to assume the duties on day one, giving confidence to voters who are elevating the oldest man to ever hold the job, is the best way to ensure Biden’s candidacy is successful.

[Dem4Life1102]

88. No it's your framing

You keep on bringing up Biden's age that just hurts him and helps Trump. Most people don't vote for VP, unless it's someone from their state, they vote for the person on the top of the ticket. Arguments based on the nominee's fitness for the presidency will only help Trump. And IS a GOP talking point .

Once again I'll ask, my goal is to help Biden win. What is yours? It shouldn't be such a hard question to answer.

[tritsofme]

90. I have repeatedly told you my feelings on the best way for Biden to win.

Voters aren’t going to forget that Biden will be the oldest man to assume the office just because you want them to, his age will always be a feature that defines his presidency.

Addressing the issue, even implicitly, by selecting a credible president to be his running mate only strengthens the ticket.

[Dem4Life1102]

93. They won't if we keep reminding

but hey let's do the Republicans job for them. Again any argument that diminishes Biden's fitness helps Trump.

FDR was paralyzed but did he run reminding people about it?

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours? Not a hard question to answer.

[tritsofme]

94. Again, I don't agree with your analysis.

Biden's age is not something we can or must hide, it's not something to be ashamed of, it's just part of who he is.

As I said above, addressing the issue, even implicitly, by selecting a credible president to be his running mate only strengthens the ticket. You know...helps Biden win.

[Dem4Life1102]

95. No it is a GOP talking

And needs to be called out as ageism and denounced.

Reminding people about just helps Trump.

This is why Democrats lose elections that we should have won. Too many on the left have to be pure and defend some ridiculous principle instead of doing whatever it takes to win.

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

96. Your talking points about talking points are lame.

But we’ve already been through that.

The rest of your analysis is just nonsense. Purity? Ridiculous principles? What the hell are you talking about?

Biden’s age is simply reality, mortality tables are not ageist.

Choosing a VP who is not a credible president on day one would not help Biden win, it would hurt him. Why do you want to undermine Biden’s ticket with voters for whom this is a real concern?

[Dem4Life1102]

97. Still a GOP

that only helps Trump.

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

98. I know you say that's your goal, but my opinion is that your position only helps Trump.

We disagree, that’s ok. Everyone doesn’t have to agree with you, really.

I think choosing a VP who can be a credible president will help Biden win, choosing one who is not will make him more likely to lose.

I want the one where he’s more likely to win.

[Dem4Life1102]

99. My position doesn't parrot GOP talking points

That's what helps Trump.

Diminishing Biden as unfit to be president helps Trump.

I want Biden to win. What do you want?

[tritsofme]

100. Again, I find your talking points about talking points to be nonsense.

I know it’s late, but since you are now asking me questions that I directly answered in the above post, I guess I will repeat it, again?

I think choosing a VP who can be a credible president will help Biden win, choosing one who is not will make him more likely to lose.

I want the one where he’s more likely to win.

[Dem4Life1102]

104. Yes it is a GOP talking point

that helps Trump.

The criteria for VP doesn't need to be feeding into the GOPs attack narrative. People vote for the person at the top of the ticket, unless the VP is someone from their state, so it's suicide to highlight your nominee's biggest weakness.

[tritsofme]

105. If you want to help Trump, choose a VP who is not a credible day one president.

Again, your talking points about talking points are just nonsense.

Trump is only few years younger, and in worse health than Biden, it’s not like attacking his age or mortality risk is a winning message.

Biden, in seeking to become the oldest man ever to become president, faces different challenges than a 50 year old candidate.

Recognizing that reality and strategizing accordingly is part of running a successful campaign. Living in an alternate reality and playing pretend is a good way to make sure Biden loses. Why is that your goal?

[Dem4Life1102]

106. There you go again

Parroting GOP talking points.

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

107. Biden's age is not talking point. It's reality. No matter how much nonsense you spout.

If your goal is to help Biden win, you are failing miserably.

Advocating for an unqualified VP is just an overall bad idea, Biden’s circumstances make it an even stupider one.

I think Trump winning is bad, why do you insist on choices that help him?

[Dem4Life1102]

108. It's a GOP talking point

that only helps Trump.

And I'm not advocating any VP candidate. But arguments for or against any potential VP candidate should not be based on the GOP's attack narrative. There are many other and better criteria.

And if you did think Trump winning was bad you wouldn't be make arguments that help him.

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

109. Reality is not a GOP talking point. You choose to live in a pretend-word.

I don’t, and neither does the Biden campaign. I can assure you they do not ascribe to your nonsensical thinking, where they just pretend their candidate is 50, and strategize accordingly.

You would have to be incredibly naive to think that Biden’s age is not a factor in the campaign’s internal discussion of issues like this.

The problem is that the campaign is not happening in your make-believe world, and insisting that it does only helps Trump. You are failing miserably at your “goal”. Why are you helping Trump?

[Dem4Life1102]

110. It is a GOP talking point

that only helps Trump.

And no one is saying to ignore reality. But don't do the republicans job for them. Unfortunately, some would rather sit on their high horse protecting some ridiculous principle in order to feel superior to everyone else and some of us want to win the election.

My goal is to win the election. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

111. Repeating your nonsense does not change reality.

Acknowledging that Biden faces different challenges than a 50 year old candidate is not “doing Republicans job for them” it is called being prudent and running a successful campaign.

I don’t understand why you find it so important to kneecap Biden’s campaign by putting on blinders.

Unfortunately, some would rather sit on their high horse protecting some ridiculous principle in order to feel superior to everyone else and some of us want to win the election.

The only explanation I can come up for this strange little rant is that you are projecting.

My only principle here is: live in reality and react accordingly. If you want to win the election, stop living in fantasyland, and join us in the real world.

[Dem4Life1102]

112. It is a GOP talking point

And going out of the way to highlight Biden's age is doing their job for them. It is not living in a fantasy land to say let's not diminish our nominee's fitness for office and legitimize GOP attacks on him. But some would rather sit on their high horse and feel superior saying 'I live in the real world' rather than help win an election. And in the real world people won't vote for a candidate they think will die in office.

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

113. Wrong. Trump and Biden would each go on to be our oldest ever elected president.

Voters understand mortality tables, voters understand that both Trump and Biden have an elevated risk of dying in office relative to a 50 year old. Voters also don’t have any other choices here, and the election will indisputably happen in that context.

Advocating for a vice president ready for the job on day one does not in any way diminish Biden, it addresses a valid concern held by many voters. Ignoring it would be political malpractice, and would actually diminish Biden’s political standing. Why do you want to diminish Biden like that?

[Dem4Life1102]

114. No it is a GOP talking point

That they are already using to attack him. Highlighting it only serves to legitimize it for them and helps Trump. Never said to ignore it but don't make their case for them.

My goal is to help Biden win the election. What is yours?

[tritsofme]

115. No, it's not.

Acknowledging reality is not making any sort of case for Republicans.

Old age is nothing to be ashamed of, it happens to the best of us, but voter anxiety about mortality risk is a very real phenomenon. As I said, so long ago, even addressing the issue implicitly by choosing a credible day one president as running mate does nothing but strengthen the ticket and give voters confidence. If you actually want to help Biden win, that is a good thing.

[Dem4Life1102]

116. Yes it is

and all you are doing is helping to legitimize it for them.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_ted_rall/joe_biden_obviously_has_dementia_and_should_withdraw
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/levin-bashes-media-for-fixating-on-trumps-disinfectant-comment-while-ignoring-bidens-obvious-dementia
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/18/biden-should-take-the-cognitive-test-trump-aced/

It is a shame that some rather make themselves feel superior with the rationalization of "acknowledging reality" by really parroting GOP talking points instead of trying to help Biden win the election.

And what criteria decides who and who it not a credible running mate? Do you have any data to support it? Any polls? Any focus groups? Please let us know.

[tritsofme]

117. None of that nonsense is at all related to anything I've said.

That I believe Biden’s chances of winning are best served by seeking a running mate seen as a credible day one president.

I think it is a test that Kamala Harris passes, and Stacey Abrams does not.

If your opinion is different, you are certainly free to share it.

But get it through your head, we can disagree in good faith without “serving Republicans”‘or whatever garbage you keep repeating.

[Dem4Life1102]

118. OK

What is your criteria for what passes at credible with most voters? And what date supports it? Polling data? Focus groups? Please share. Does this data show who will help flip a swing state or help attract more progressive voters or help energize African American voters more? Even opinions must be based on some facts to be legitimate. And those are all criteria that doesn't rely on parroting and legitimizing GOP talking points that diminish Biden's fitness for office.

[tritsofme]

121. I've stated my opinion.

Biden has and will pay consultants an untold amount of money to answer the questions you’ve raised.

They will most certainly strategize in the context of Biden seeking to be the oldest man elected president, and that consideration will not mean they are legitimizing “GOP talking points” just reality.

Thankfully Biden’s team is not fitted with the same visors you wear, I am confident he will make a great choice.

[Dem4Life1102]

122. Yes but

they will do it privately, not publicly. Legitimizing the GOP's talking points. That's the difference that you fail to understand.

[tritsofme]

124. DU is not the public. Swing voters aren't exactly hanging on our posts here.

There is no reason we cannot have frank discussions among ourselves. That’s what you seem unable to understand.

There’s no one to battle here, we all want Biden to win, and for him to present the strongest ticket possible.

[Dem4Life1102]

125. This is a public forum.

Anything you say here can be picked up by anyone and linked to or published any where.

[tritsofme]

126. Oh come now. This is a site for political junkies, no one else cares

Presidential elections are not turning on our discussions.

And even so, there is nothing damaging about contemplating what we feel makes for the strongest ticket, and gives the best chance of winning in November.

[Dem4Life1102]

127. You think so?

https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2009/11/ford-of-new-york-023055

This article was picked up by the NY Post and then the Today Show. What you say here is public and can be used against Biden.

[tritsofme]

128. lol, if you feel you need to self censor to avoid the massive media spotlight that is DU

Then certainly do so. This ten year old incident is no doubt the rule and not an exception when it comes to how DU posts are treated in the media. I know I tune into the news each night to see what happened on DU today!

Regardless, there is nothing harmful about sharing our opinions on what makes for the strongest ticket.

[Dem4Life1102]

129. No I feel the need to call GOP talking points

That diminishes our nominee and helps Trump when they are being parroted here.

[Polybius]

120. How many times did you say talking point in this thread?

27?

[Dem4Life1102]

123. Damn

My goal was 28.

[Renew Deal]

53. Can you guarantee that Biden (or anyone else) makes it to day 2?

[Dem4Life1102]

54. Why wouldn't he?

[Renew Deal]

55. Can you guarantee it?

That's why the day 1 question matters. It doesn't disqualify her. It's just another factor.

[Dem4Life1102]

58. Why wouldn't he?

[Renew Deal]

59. Any number of terrible resaons.

[Dem4Life1102]

61. What reasons?

[Renew Deal]

65. Heart attack, pretzels, snakebite, resignation, amongst others.

I see through your intellectually dishonesty. Your effort to protect him ignores reality that things happen and there are no guarantees in life. And the things I mentioned could happen to Trump too.

[Dem4Life1102]

68. Does Biden have a history of heart disease?

Are there killer pretzels out to get Biden
or snakes infesting the White House?

Pulling stuff out of your butt doesn't make for a legitimate argument.

[Renew Deal]

69. And yet failing to acknowledge the fragility of life

undermines yours.

[Dem4Life1102]

71. There is no realistic reason to believe that Biden

will be bitten by a snake or assassinated by a killer pretzel.

My goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[Renew Deal]

73. But can you guarantee that those things won't happen?

[Dem4Life1102]

75. I can't guarantee that the Death Star won't destroy the planet

But that doesn't make it a reasonable possibility.

Again, my goal is to help Biden win. What is yours?

[Renew Deal]

78. To help Biden win

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13367997

[Dem4Life1102]

82. Good

So why are you making arguments that diminish Biden's fitness for the presidency?

[Renew Deal]

84. I'm not doing that at all.

Didn't I say those things can happen to anyone? My point is about his VP. In theory, the VP should be able to step in on day 1. Look at what nominating Palin did to McCain's campaign. He probably would have lost anyway, but his campaign sank once she started talking. Stacey Abrams is a Yale grad (which has given us several republican presidents), and 10 years of state house experience. She speaks well to domestic issues. Is she ready to be president? Probably not. Can the public accept that? Not sure. I saw a poll recently saying that Biden's VP needs to be experienced. Is this because of general expectations or anxiety about Biden's age? I don't know. I think it could be a little of both.

[Dem4Life1102]

85. Experience doesn't matter

and only benefit incumbents when it does. But that's not often or Trump wouldn't be President. And the problem with Palin wasn't experience, it was competence.

Anyway the point is still that any argument that diminishes Biden's fitness for the presidency only helps Trump.

[womanofthehills]

101. Biden has some health problems like most men his age

Dr. Kevin O’Connor, who has been Biden’s primary care physician since 2009, writes in a three-page note that the Democratic presidential candidate is in overall good shape — he’s trim, exercises and keeps his cholesterol at healthy levels with the use of a statin medication.

Since 2003, Biden has had episodes of atrial fibrillation, a type of irregular heartbeat that’s potentially serious but treatable. His doctor now describes the atrial fibrillation as “persistent.” O’Connor cited a list of tests that show the candidate’s heart is functioning normally and his only needed care is a blood thinner to prevent the most worrisome risk, blood clots or stroke

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Biden had a brush with death in 1988, requiring surgery to repair two brain aneurysms ― weak bulges in arteries, one of them leaking. Biden has never had a recurrence, his doctor said, citing a specific test in 2014 that examined his arteries.

O’Connor’s letter cited only a few other minor ailments. Biden takes medications, as needed, for seasonal allergies and occasional reflux, or heartburn. He has had several small, non-melanoma skin cancers removed over the years. Preventive screenings, including colonoscopies, show no signs of trouble

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-doctor-report_n_5dfa4a5de4b0969b618ed774

[Dem4Life1102]

103. So?

Let's just highlight our nominees biggest weakness for the GOP. Why didn't we just give up now and hand the election to Trump now?

[TeamPooka]

18. Here we go with the criticizing of black people for "the way they're doing it" trope again.

spare us please

[tableturner]

20. She has my well deserved tremendous respect, but....

Given that our presidential nominee is in his upper seventies, there is a much higher likelihood than normal that his VP would become president. Even though I am impressed with her in almost every way possible, given her lack of executive experience, time in the US House or the Senate would easily mitigate the experience issue, enabling her to truly be ready for the job on day one.

Her lack of experience would be an easy attack angle on her by the GOP, and we should not give them that.

[Trumpocalypse]

32. Any talk of Biden's

age or health only benefits Trump. So good job spreading GOP talking points.

[Bettie]

48. The GOP who elected a reality show star with

zero government experience? That GOP?

She's smart, she has a very quick mind, an even quicker wit, and listening to her speak makes you believe she can do anything.

[Dem4Life1102]

56. Good point!

[totodeinhere]

41. I like her but I think we would be better off having a senator or governor on the ticket.

And there are plenty of well qualified women and people of color who would fit that description.

[Trumpocalypse]

42. Most tend to be a current or former Senator or Governor

But there really needs to be only one qualification, whom ever best helps win.

[Renew Deal]

52. She's short on executive or Washington experience, but...

She might be exactly what Biden needs in the current environment. Someone to handle domestic affairs.

The problem with Stacey is she's not really ready to be president on day 1. How long will it take to season her? Are voters willing to accept the inexperience?

[JI7]

66. She is out there speaking on important issues , Why view everything as some entertainment show ?

She has substance. She is talking a lot about her own state and what is happening with the shitty governor opening things. SHe is speaking about minorities who are being affected at higher rates. She is talking about voting rights.

[Shaddox]

67. To be fair, as a balding mid-50's man, I've been putting some leg out there too.

[Arazi]

89. We need a VP who has institutional memory, like Joe Biden

We need people who have federal experience to rebuild our institutional structure with ironclad laws.

Too many government "norms" have relied upon gentile handshakes.

No more.

We need laws. That will take people who are experienced and know how "norms" used to work and will help codify them into laws

I like Stacy Abrams. She has a great future like Pete Buttegieg. But they're not what we need now

[Trumpocalypse]

130. We need a VP candidate who will help win the election

That may or may not be Abrams but winning the election is the only consideration. Every thing else is irrelevant.