Nearly 1 in 4 Bernie Sanders backers not supporting Biden

[William769]

Video at link.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nearly-1-in-4-bernie-sanders-backers-not-supporting-biden/vi-BB13oh7E?ocid=msedgdhp

Good news is right now it looks like they are not needed.

[Wounded Bear]

1. "Good news is right now it looks like they are not needed."

Depends on where they are, of course. Trump stole it on razor thin margins in key states. If Bernie-bros do that again, we're hosed.

GOTV!

[dustyscamp]

19. 1+I think it might happen again

[Bettie]

43. Yep....the "your vote isn't needed" brigade is out again

making sure that people know that they are not wanted or needed. That's sure to bring them over.

[GulfCoast66]

48. Respectfully, trying to reach out to them is Bullshit.

They want Bernie and nothing else will suffice.

Most of the have never voted or voted for Trump.

They want disruption, not good governance.

A lost cause. And for every one of the issues they favor that Biden capitulates on in a futile attempt to win them over we will lose more votes from the average center left American.

Government helping to insure all Americans have healthcare. Super popular. Government running healthcare? Even most Democrats disagree. That’s the fact. If I like it or not does not change that fact.

[Blue_true]

53. 43% of Americans DIDN'T vote in November 2016.

Recent elections say that many of those people are voting and supporting democrats.

I have no desire to bend over backwards for the Bernie supporters that can't see a once in two centuries threat of a Trump reelection. Screw them, we are better off talking to the 43% that sat out November 2016 and now seem to deeply regret that decision.

[GulfCoast66]

62. Yep. And I know 2 people that voted for trump and are all in for Joe.

Plus one who had never missed a vote but sat out 16 and now plans on voting for Biden. There may not be many of them. But we don’t need many. Although I think we will get multiple many.

Trumps 5:00pm pressers were a disaster for him. People were worried and finally paying attention. And many were horrified.

[Blue_true]

72. Yeah, those Trump press conferences about a serious issue are the best things that

could have happened for us. People now see in real time how screwed we are with that clown in charge.

[Caliman73]

49. Sorry but if they are still saying this after almost 4 years of Trump...

Then they are ridiculous. I am saying this as a person who voted for Bernie in 2016 and in this year's primary.

[Happy Hoosier]

67. So what do you suggest?

I submit there is no way to win over those voters.

They aren't rational.

[Blue_true]

51. 43% of Americans didn't bother to vote in 2016.

Lots of those people have been burned badly by Trump. 2017, 2018 and 2019 election results say that they are now active and helping our candidate win races. If just 10% of that group show up in November, Biden wins in a walk. Recent elections say a lot more than 10% of them are showing up.

[Wounded Bear]

52. Indeed! Those are the voters we need...

Endlessly chasing Trump and Bernie voters to change is largely an excercise in futility. People are too locked in.

[Blue_true]

54. I totally agree. nt

[Fascist Breakfast]

2. I think..

That it is also early. It’s going to take time for the frustration to settle in.

[Hoyt]

3. Does that surprise anyone after 2016?

[LuvNewcastle]

10. I sort of expected it to be that way.

I don't think there's anything we can do about it, either. They'll use their own weird calculus to decide who they're going to vote for, if they vote at all. Effort would be better spent on making sure others are registered and are able to vote in November.

[Hoyt]

12. I think you are right.

[napi21]

17. Yes it does. I understood them in 2016. The Dem Party DID try to do everything they could to

sabotage Bernie's campaign in favor of Hillary. But THIS time AFAIK every candidate ran their own campaign the way they wanted without Party interference. Even Joe, when he & most of his supporters knew the 3's just weren't there for a possible Bernie win, didn'ot push Bernie to drop out.

There will always be a certain 3 of voters who are just dedicated to their one candidate and WON'T vote for anyone else. I hope those referred to in this post are the ones I mean & their numbers are small enough not to prevent a democratic Presidential win!

[DURHAM D]

18. From my view they did everything they could to accommodate him

in 2016. The "sabotage" was not by the DNC or Hillary's campaign.

[yardwork]

47. I agree.

[Hoyt]

32. They were wrong then, and now. Kind of hard to call them "progressives."

[FakeNoose]

42. 'Course not - because 1 in 4 "Bernie Backers" are really ChumpHumpers

... always were. Nothing has changed.

[Sogo]

55. Spot on!.......nt.

[not_the_one]

66. Exactly. If they won't vote for Biden, they wouldn't have voted for Bernie.

They are Pootie shit stirrers who all along planned on voting for the turd.

[stillcool]

4. shocking..

but apparently they don't vote. At least not in the numbers they are purported to be.

[Squinch]

5. That's a really special kind of stupid.

[Dream Girl]

6. or 75% of Sanders supporters now back Biden.

There I fixed it!

[William769]

9. If it were only so.

[helpisontheway]

7. Shocking...not..nt

[progressoid]

8. Same thing happened in 08 with Hillary supporters with Obama.

That will change by November.

According to a Gallup poll taken at the end of March 2008, only 59 percent of Clinton supporters said they’d vote for Obama and 28 percent of them said they’d vote for John McCain. Likewise, a Washington Post survey from May of that year found 26 percent of Clinton supporters promising to vote McCain and only 64 percent promising to vote for Obama.

As the Post noted on Wednesday, though, “Obama’s support among Clinton primary supporters rose from 64 percent in May to 73 percent in mid-September, 79 percent in mid-October and 83 percent by Election Day, according to [a CNN] exit poll.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/06/obama-says-democrats-will-unite-like-in-2008-will-they.html

[LisaM]

11. I do not know ONE Hillary supporter from 2008, NOT ONE, who didn't support Obama.

I do know Sanders supporters who never supported Hillary, and I likewise know Nader supporters who didn't vote for Kerry, and supposed Democrats who supported John Anderson over Carter.

I'm speaking of people I know personally, of course. I can't even look at the Nader voters sometimes.

[progressoid]

16. This is why empirical data is preferred over anecdotal experience.

[The Magistrate]

26. What Is Odd About Those Figures, Sir

Is that McCain received the votes of only ten percent of self-identified Democrats in 2008, which is exactly what Bush received four years previously. If an appreciable number of Mrs. Clinton's supporters actually voted for McCain, one would expect him to have received a greater percentage of the ballots of Democratic voters than did Bush. This would hold even allowing for some greater than usual turn-out energized by President Obama. The oft-cited CNN exit poll figure cannot bear the weight attached to it by persons hoping to persuade people Sander's supporters behaved better in 2016 than Mrs. Clinton's did in 2008.

It is reasonably well established that a quarter of Sanders' supporters did not vote for Mrs. Clinton, the number about equally divided between voting for Trump and for third party candidates, either Green of Libertarian. It made a clear difference in several crucial states. Even if Mrs. Clinton's supporters in 2008 were as badly behaved as were Sanders' supporters in 2016, that made no difference in 2008, while the misbehavior of Sanders' supporters went a good way towards putting Trump in office.

No amount of apologia or 'whataboutism' can succeed in blinking that fact.

[progressoid]

39. Wow! A quarter of them?

Where'd ya get that "reasonably well established" number from sir?

How many Sanders voters voted for Donald Trump?

Two surveys estimate that 12 percent of Sanders voters voted for Trump. A third survey suggests it was 6 percent.

First, the political scientist Brian Schaffner analyzed the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, which was conducted by YouGov and interviewed 64,600 Americans in October-November 2016. In that survey, Schaffner found that 12 percent of people who voted in the primary and reported voting for Sanders also voted in November and reported voting for Trump.

Schaffner examined only voters whose turnout in the primary and general election could be validated using voter file data. This excludes people who said they voted but actually did not — although it also excludes people who voted in caucuses or party-run primaries, for which validated turnout data are not as readily available.

Second, the same 12 percent figure emerges in the 2016 VOTER Survey, which was also conducted by YouGov and overseen by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group (of which I am research director). In 2016, this survey interviewed 8,000 respondents in July, when they were asked their primary vote preference, and then in December, when they were asked their general election preference. This has the advantage of measuring primary preference closer to the primaries themselves and then tracking people over time. But their turnout in both elections has not been validated as of yet.

The third survey is the RAND Presidential Election Panel Survey, which interviewed the same group of about 3,000 Americans six times during the campaign. Again, this survey has the advantage of tracking voters over time, but nobody’s turnout has been validated. Among voters who reported supporting Sanders as of March 2016, 6 percent then reported voting for Trump in November.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/

[The Magistrate]

44. Did Not Say All Voted For Trump, Sir

As you note, about twelve percent did. The remainder went to the Green or Libertarian lines, with a few just sitting on their hands. There is really no point to trying to skate the matter. An added complication is that a number of persons who voted for Sanders in the primary had no intention of voting for him in the general election. The West Virginia primary is a glaring example. In exit polling forty percent of people who voted for Sanders declared they would not vote for the Democrat in the general election even if Sanders managed to get the nomination. He was simply a marker for 'not Hillary' among 'legacy' Democrats who while they vote for local Democrats, have not cast a Democratic ballot for Federal office in years.

Another complication is whether Sanders voters cast themselves as Democrats of Independent, for the percentage of Democrats who voted for Trump was slightly below the usual ten percent or so, and the whole tenor of sanders' campaign not only claimed to be bringing in people who did not identify as Democrats, but also at turning many of his supporters against the Democratic Party, which he proclaimed to be corrupt, and to be cheating him out of the nomination.

You might want to examine material here,. however:

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

In going through the great detail at the latter, bear in mind Sanders supporters ran greatly white, and greatly desirous of 'change'

[progressoid]

65. Again,

where do you get your data that the remainder went to the Green or Libertarians? And assuming your supposition is correct, that would imply those voters were only interested in Sanders to begin with and not likely to vote for any other Democrat. So gnashing one's teeth over these speculative voters would seem a waste of time.

[The Magistrate]

68. Clearly You Are More Interested In Maintain A Point Than In Understanding The Situation

Which makes further exchange with you, after both presenting and arguing the evidence, without any point.


"Say something once, why say it again?"

[GulfCoast66]

50. Agreed on all points.

But will add I believe many of his followers are not members of the Democratic Party.

And that of the 25% who won’t vote for Biden maybe half are actually non voters.

If we get the turnout we had in 18 that won’t matter. Because there is nothing going to make that group come around. The want disruption and burning down the system. Not good governance.

[The Magistrate]

69. It Is True Such Numbers Dwindle As The Day Of Decision Nears, Sir

Third party candidates almost never live up to their pre-election polling, once actual ballots are counted, and tend to dwindle from their springtime numbers as summer passes. It is the same with declarations of disdain from a defeated faction within a party. My own guess is that this year, defections among Sanders supporters will in the end run about one in seven rather than the one in four they numbered four years ago. Most are good-hearted folks who will place the good of the people and the country over hurt feelings, and will in the pinch see through the 'not a dime's worth of difference' clap-trap, to decide that even a penny's worth of difference is worth having, in the face of four more years of the cheap thug with his hairspray crown.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

[Squeaky41]

13. Non support Bernie Folk

Are the quarter joining the Trump campaign?

I am a Bernie supporter now for Biden.

[William769]

14. That or either stay home.

Welcome to DU & thank you for being in support of Joe Biden.

[RandySF]

15. A number of them would have never voted for a major party candidate otherwse.

[greenjar_01]

20. Same voters who won Bernie Texas

Haaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa!

[dustyscamp]

21. Some Yang supporters will probably not support Biden too

[Cha]

22. They only care about themselves.. They don't care about America,

her People, The Planet, or the Supreme Court.

[rgbecker]

46. +100.... I think we don't even want them in the Democratic Party.

They are worse than Trump himself.

[empedocles]

23. Does BS really support JB. BS staff always suspect

[mcar]

24. 25% of Bernie backers are not, and have never been

Democrats. Or liberals. Or "progressives."

I hope they are not needed. I also hope this puts to rest the "we have to reach out to the 'base'" nonsense.

[Marrah_Goodman]

25. I don't believe those numbers for a minute.

Maybe 10% are idiots. Not 25%.

[dustyscamp]

27. I don't know if you browse their hang outs reddit/twitter/facebook and look at the users posting

at these places it makes the number seem accurate

[Marrah_Goodman]

29. I doubt you find even ten percent of his followers in those places, to be honest

All my friends and family are Democrats. Know how many have ever heard of DU? None. Message boards tend to be filled with small but very vocal groups of like minded people.

I think Bernie is great. I would have loved to have voted for him. Same with others that I know. But Biden won so we will vote for him. I truly believe most are like that.

[dustyscamp]

33. I hope you are right on that

I just have a very cynical view on things

[Marrah_Goodman]

35. If we can get out the vote in November I am confident we will win.

[LizBeth]

28. Libertarians, Anarchists, whatever. They would never vote Democrat. And Democrat is not going to

vote Sanders.

[Marrah_Goodman]

30. I am a Democrat and I would have voted for Sanders

Biden won the primary so I will vote for him in November.

A lot of these posts remind me of when Hillary lost to Barack. And then when Bernie lost to Hillary... wash rinse repeat.

In my opinion we had a really, really good field this year. We should congratulate Joe and get behind him without having to denegrate those who lost.

~putting on my flame retardant suit~

[LizBeth]

37. Biden was fourth on my list. I am voting Biden. End of story. I am obviously not talking about you

You are not 1 of 4

[dustyscamp]

31. Lets hope that the majority of the majority of non eligible voters who didn't vote for anyone are

not that

[LizBeth]

40. Fuckers who let Trump win. I have two on my FB. Whiny reasoning, done with them.

Biden was number four pick. Blue wave.

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[Mariana]

56. Exactly. They are not Democrats.

We should never, ever count on votes from people who aren't Democrats, and it is ridiculous to be enraged that many of them won't vote for the Democratic nominee.

[LizBeth]

63. Exactly. I have heard enough from them knowing simply being a Democrat will ensure we do not

get their vote. No more playing.

[Blue_true]

58. What got me once was what one of them cheering at a Bernie rally told a reporter.

He said that he was "conservative" of social issues, but supported free college, MFA, Bernie's promises. That to me was a defining statement about such types, they care only for themselves. Kids in cages, brutal immigration policies, police violence against POC, poor nutrition of school kids, are non issues to them, because that stuff is the "liberal social agenda, identity politics" stuff that they resent. That type protested and disrupted our convention in 2016, and when they failed to get their way, openly vowed to vote for Trump. Fuck them with a hot poker.

[LizBeth]

64. Exactly. Mine complained about all the women fucked black men and he wasn't getting any. But, I was

suppose to take him seriously.

Likes the free everything but those women.....

[Blue_true]

71. Yeah, that type is always concerned about what White women are doing with their bodies.

Maybe if they worked on making themselves better people, they would have better luck with the opposite sex.

[nini]

34. Not surprising.. all they really wanted was to disrupt

They still are.

The rest of us will carry the torch and fight the good fight.

[DFW]

36. The Biden campaign should not devote a disproportionate amount of time toward wooing them

The effort will far exceed the reward.

Devote your time to trying to convince people who CAN be convinced, and leave those who aren't interested to do what they were going to do anyway.

[Blue_true]

59. People like Cornel West should not be invited to our platform effort.

Why cater to those people, only to have them turn around and stab us in the back. There are very solid ultra liberals, the real deal like Robert Reich and others that would proudly serve on our platform effort and work to get their policies in it, then turn and fully support our nominee in November. If Bernie proposes someone like Cornell West, Biden should stoutly refuse and offer up an alternative person that supported Bernie, but who vividly understand the damage that a re-elected Trump can do to the country.

[BootinUp]

38. Not enough ponies. Nt

[Hortensis]

41. That quarter's the same people who were hostile to

the Democratic Party's nominee in 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996... All with only the highest principles, of course.

See the pattern? It took an interesting little change in 2008 when they backed "establishment" Hillary Clinton as their best chance to defeat black Barack Obama, but they returned to normal in 2016 when the same people turned on her like long-starving attack dogs.

Some die off, others get old enough to vote their hostility. But their percentages remain roughly similar, and we recognize them by their behaviors. Their intractable dishonesty and hostility are always our fault, never theirs.

[mopinko]

45. well, in fairness, i wonder how many didnt show up to vote for him.

apparently enough to get creamed.
no loss.

[Blue_true]

60. They like rallies. Voting? Voting is for panzies.

[demtenjeep]

57. in otherwords 3/4 bernie buds ARE

voting FOR biden

[herding cats]

61. It's a damn shame they couldn't be bothered to go to the polls to nominate him enforce.

Oh, wait, I suspect I've just touched on their Achellies heel. Actually doing work, rather then just bemoaning perceived injustices on the Internet.

These non-Democratic voters are the least among us. They'll never be appeased by having a candidate nominated in the majority of their lifetimes.They buy into the false dichotomy that they're not winning anything unless they win it all in one fell swoop. Meanwhile, they ignore all the extremely hard work being done in the name of their pet causes by so many of us, for decades.

Instant gratification in politics just isn't a thing, and will never be a reality. Eating the elephant one bite at a time is real and is happening. Have faith in hard work my dear friends, we will persevere.

[ProfessorPlum]

70. offer them policy