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Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:10 PM Apr 2020

Is this Tara Reade thing

Going to be the new Hillary Clinton’s e-mails. And why does stuff like this stick with Democrats, but never damages Republicans especially Trump.


Edit- and Biden was VP for 8 freaking years, why did she decide to come forward now

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Is this Tara Reade thing (Original Post) Proud liberal 80 Apr 2020 OP
Because Democrats do not ignore it like Republicans texasfiddler Apr 2020 #1
Well Democrats should ignore it. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #13
Someone who identifies as a Democrat wouldn't waste his time Judi Lynn Apr 2020 #30
What threads are you referring to? Sugarcoated May 2020 #40
There is a lot of effort going into making that happen, apparently. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #2
The messaging from Trumper's is to address it once dismiss it 1000 times. What feeds the trolls uponit7771 Apr 2020 #3
Why? Easy answer Budi Apr 2020 #4
Please name names.....I want details! Sogo Apr 2020 #18
It is alos mainly being pushed by a certain segment of teh Left obamanut2012 Apr 2020 #34
Agree. Did Chris Hayes even mention her praise for Putin? Budi Apr 2020 #37
Nothing Makes a BS Story The River Apr 2020 #5
I haven't seen it repeated on here Proud liberal 80 Apr 2020 #7
It's Only Been Posted The River Apr 2020 #10
Oh come on. Let me just say no matter how many supporters of other candidates try to give this Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #11
You're amplifying greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #22
Those who post it clearly don't want the story to go away...very sad. They only help Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #12
I don't doubt that the Repiggies will try, BUT Vogon_Glory Apr 2020 #6
That story was from October 2019. jimfields33 Apr 2020 #19
Because our side fears hypocrisy qazplm135 Apr 2020 #8
And We Badly Need To Get Over That, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #27
I say this daily demtenjeep Apr 2020 #9
Exactly. Plus we know Joe. He hates bullies. He doesn't prey on weaker people Walleye Apr 2020 #15
One reason for sticking is a brazilion posts about it on a Democratic internet board. UTUSN Apr 2020 #14
It will if Trumpocalypse Apr 2020 #16
Won't stick. Joinfortmill Apr 2020 #17
So the real question is how do we get the news marlakay Apr 2020 #25
The vast right wing conspiracy creeksneakers2 Apr 2020 #20
Only if you keep amplifying it, homie greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #21
Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor Gothmog Apr 2020 #23
too many inconsistencies...if I was assaulted, i'd for one know, when, where and how it happened. sunonmars Apr 2020 #29
Yes. That's exactly how the right-wing media is going to attack Joe Biden Bucky Apr 2020 #24
She's a massive liar with mental issues. BlueLucy Apr 2020 #26
If nothing is said, I can see Trump seating her in the front row of all the Debates. no_hypocrisy Apr 2020 #28
How many women accused Trump of all kind of sexual harassment? LisaL Apr 2020 #31
We could probably pack the hall out with those women. sunonmars Apr 2020 #32
That's what I was thinking. LisaL Apr 2020 #33
It's clear that certain groups will keep clinging to that story Hav Apr 2020 #35
Unfortunately that is what's happening. honest.abe Apr 2020 #36
Larry Tribe agrees with Michael Stern Gothmog Apr 2020 #38
Great statement by Joe Gothmog May 2020 #39
Hayes needs to go Gothmog May 2020 #41

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
30. Someone who identifies as a Democrat wouldn't waste his time
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 06:32 AM
Apr 2020

dragging this crap out yet one more time to keep it alive.

I feel sick that at least 3 threads by visitors have been smeared at the place where serious people come to read and write together. Damned creepy.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
2. There is a lot of effort going into making that happen, apparently.
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:14 PM
Apr 2020

As for why? Here are a couple of possibilities:

1. She’s nuts. 18 months ago she was tweeting effusive praise for Biden. Then in 2019 she’s all in for Donnie and Vlad.

2. She’s a trump-putin operative playing the role she was cast.

3. She’s just a garden variety fame seeker desperate to be a celebrity.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
3. The messaging from Trumper's is to address it once dismiss it 1000 times. What feeds the trolls
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:17 PM
Apr 2020

... on the right is not addressing it at all then when its address continue to explain when nothing new has come up.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
4. Why? Easy answer
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:27 PM
Apr 2020

She lost all credibility with her admiration of Vladimer Putin.
Election is 6 months away.
The promotion of her 'story' has been shopped by the same nefarious players who spent years relentlesly running a smear campaign against Sec Hillary Clinton.

For 1 purpose.

It worked in 2016 & they're back to continue the playbook in 2020.
Their assault on American Democracy & our US Constitution comes from all directions, inside the US as well as foreign adversaries.

Tara Reade's praise of Putin followed by this bullshit accusation is well timed for maximum coverage to do the most damage.

You either applaud her admiration of Putin or you see this for what it is & stop defending it.

Vladimer Putin is no friend to the United States of America & neither is Tara Reade.

No one gets to be both.



Sogo

(4,986 posts)
18. Please name names.....I want details!
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:38 PM
Apr 2020

"The promotion of her 'story' has been shopped by the same nefarious players who spent years relentlesly running a smear campaign against Sec Hillary Clinton."

obamanut2012

(26,063 posts)
34. It is alos mainly being pushed by a certain segment of teh Left
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 07:23 AM
Apr 2020

The GOP are NOT pushing it, they are gleefully running with what that certain segment is giving them to run with.

This is NOT a GOP hitjob.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
37. Agree. Did Chris Hayes even mention her praise for Putin?
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:21 AM
Apr 2020

He either didn't do his homework or just didn't find her 2019 Putin praise, in her own texts, quite as appalling nor sensational.

We know who ran this story & who's shopping it down their usual feed chain.

Guess it was to be expected from the sourcing of this hit piece.

Pretty damned pathetic. Speaks loudly as to who they have been all along.
Vomit 🤮

The River

(2,615 posts)
5. Nothing Makes a BS Story
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:28 PM
Apr 2020

go away faster than repeating it over and over and over again. We need hundreds of posts on the subject every day. That will make it go away! s/

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
7. I haven't seen it repeated on here
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:47 PM
Apr 2020

I have been seeing it everywhere else i.e Washington post, CNN, the root, NYT times, Huff post, twitter, etc and my thought was WTF is going on....and that is why I came here to post....thanks for the dumb sarcasm

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
11. Oh come on. Let me just say no matter how many supporters of other candidates try to give this
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:09 PM
Apr 2020

story legs...it is a pack of lies and Biden is the nominee. By the way, it is everywhere (not really) and has been discounted by every legitimate new service that has looked at it.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
12. Those who post it clearly don't want the story to go away...very sad. They only help Trump.
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:10 PM
Apr 2020

Biden will remain the nominee despite their best efforts.

Vogon_Glory

(9,114 posts)
6. I don't doubt that the Repiggies will try, BUT
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:40 PM
Apr 2020

with the novelty of the Donald having worn off and the sexual assault allegations sealed in the National Enquirer filed FINALLY coming out, the Repiggies will have a harder time trying to milk the Reade allegations.

The only way the Repiggies could look good is if Donnie drops dead and Father Pence becomes the Republican nominee.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
8. Because our side fears hypocrisy
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:53 PM
Apr 2020

And their side couldn't give a fuck, they just want to win. We spend countless hours asking, are we sure she's lying? Maybe we should wait, ask more questions? Etc etc

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
27. And We Badly Need To Get Over That, Sir
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:38 AM
Apr 2020

They cannot effectively assail our political figures without our help. Well-meaning, good-hearted people who tend to the left need to learn not to allow their better natures to be taken advantage of by vicious scum on the right, and splinterest wreckers on the far left, who enlist them in their charges against figures of the center left, by exhorting them to 'be consistent' and telling them 'don't be hypocrites'. The proper response to attempts at this is a hearty "Fuck off! Nobody cares what a rancid piece of dogshit like you thinks!" Or words to that effect....

Only attack the enemy, the christo-fascist right.

Never, ever, attack people who are on your side.


If you want one quick reason why the right wing wields power well out of proportion to the popularity of its policies, it is that they adhere to this rule, and we on the left do not.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
9. I say this daily
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 10:55 PM
Apr 2020

he was VP for 8 years

you don't think President OBAMA thoroughly vetted his VP?



I bet putin is paying her a pretty penny for this

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
16. It will if
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:18 PM
Apr 2020

people like Ari Melber cover like he did tonight without mentioning the inconsistencies in her story and her ties to Putin.

Of course everyone in the media knew that many federal officials used personal email but they covered that story as if Clinton was the only person who ever did.

Joinfortmill

(14,408 posts)
17. Won't stick.
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 11:35 PM
Apr 2020

No credibility. Lawyers won't touch her. NYT found no basis for her accusation. Also, who would do what she accused Joe of doing in the halls of Congress? No one, that's who.

marlakay

(11,446 posts)
25. So the real question is how do we get the news
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:29 AM
Apr 2020

To stop talking about it? Like someone on here said its all over online and on CNN and other outlets.

Its almost like they are sick of talking about the virus and just giving it more legs to have something else to talk about. With pretty much nothing else happening now with everyone home what do they have to report on?

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
20. The vast right wing conspiracy
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:15 AM
Apr 2020

Down to their rank and file they'll do everything they can to create and sustain an uproar about this for the entire election. When there is an uproar the media covers it.

The VRWC can't win honestly so they cheat. They think its fun as hell.

Gothmog

(145,047 posts)
23. Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:15 AM
Apr 2020



►People who contradict Reade’s claim. After the alleged assault, Reade said she complained about Biden's harassment to Marianne Baker, Biden’s executive assistant, as well as to top aides Dennis Toner and Ted Kaufman. All three Biden staffers recently told The New York Times that she made no complaint to them.
And they did not offer the standard, noncommittal “I don’t remember any such complaint.” The denials were firm. “She did not come to me. If she had, I would have remembered her,” Kaufman said. Toner made a similar statement. And from Baker: “I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct (by Biden), period." Baker said such a complaint, had Reade made it, "would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager.”
►Missing formal complaint. Reade told The Times she filed a written complaint against Biden with the Senate personnel office. But The Times could not find any complaint. When The Times asked Reade for a copy of the complaint, she said she did not have it. Yet she maintained and provided a copy of her 1993 Senate employment records.
It is odd that Reade kept a copy of her employment records but did not keep a copy of a complaint documenting criminal conduct by a man whose improprieties changed “the trajectory” of her life. It’s equally odd The Times was unable to find a copy of the alleged Senate complaint.
►Memory lapse. Reade has said that she cannot remember the date, time or exact location of the alleged assault, except that it occurred in a “semiprivate” area in corridors connecting Senate buildings. After I left the Justice Department, I was appointed by the federal court in Los Angeles to represent indigent defendants. The first thing that comes to mind from my defense attorney perspective is that Reade’s amnesia about specifics makes it impossible for Biden to go through records and prove he could not have committed the assault, because he was somewhere else at the time.
For instance, if Reade alleged Biden assaulted her on the afternoon of June 3, 1993, Biden might be able to prove he was on the Senate floor or at the dentist. Her memory lapses could easily be perceived as bulletproofing a false allegation.
►The lie about losing her job. Reade told The Union that Biden wanted her to serve drinks at an event. After she refused, "she felt pushed out and left Biden's employ," the newspaper said last April. But Reade claimed this month in her Times interview that after she filed a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate personnel office, she faced retaliation and was fired by Biden’s chief of staff.
Leaving a job after refusing to serve drinks at a Biden fundraiser is vastly different than being fired as retaliation for filing a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate. The disparity raises questions about Reade’s credibility and account of events.
►Compliments for Biden. In the 1990s, Biden worked to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade retweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.” It is bizarre that Reade would publicly laud Biden for combating the very thing she would later accuse him of doing to her.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
29. too many inconsistencies...if I was assaulted, i'd for one know, when, where and how it happened.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 06:27 AM
Apr 2020

It would be burned into your brain.

I am sorry she is a liar. Its coming over as the office troublemaker who wants to turn it into something else.

This smells to high heaven....

Bucky

(53,986 posts)
24. Yes. That's exactly how the right-wing media is going to attack Joe Biden
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:18 AM
Apr 2020

We will not hear the end of this murky incident nor the end of distorted insinuations about Hunter Biden and his messy personal life.

no_hypocrisy

(46,061 posts)
28. If nothing is said, I can see Trump seating her in the front row of all the Debates.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:52 AM
Apr 2020

Assuming that HE shows up . . . . . .

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
31. How many women accused Trump of all kind of sexual harassment?
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 07:02 AM
Apr 2020

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
33. That's what I was thinking.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 07:04 AM
Apr 2020

The whole debate hall could be packed with Trump's accusers, especially if they have to be spaced 6 ft apart.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
35. It's clear that certain groups will keep clinging to that story
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 07:23 AM
Apr 2020

Although this ludicrous story shouldn't deserve any attention, we are dealing with people from both extremes of the political spectrum who have a very strong confirmation bias, who desperately need something to smear Biden and who might influence others with their lies.
Ignoring them won't help, hammering them on the facts might be necessary to counter their arguments. That won't help to persuade them but it might influence those in the middle who would otherwise only see one side of the story (the lie).

And for those pretending that our position is to believe all women, which story should we believe? The first one when she said that it wasn't sexual or the one suddenly elevated to rape once Sanders started losing? Similarly, which of the countless reasons for her getting fired/moving on voluntarily from her job under Biden should one believe? It's so obvious that she's a fraud because she contradicts herself again and again. Those who brought down Weinstein looked at her story and ran away from it for good reasons.

honest.abe

(8,650 posts)
36. Unfortunately that is what's happening.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 07:42 AM
Apr 2020

The Hillary campaign tried to ignore the stupid email issue but it kept coming back up to bite her and in the end it was part of her downfall. Hind site it would probably have been better to have addressed it more and explain what happened in a simple logical manner that anyone can understand.

I think that is what Biden may need to do here as well. He needs to say something like this:

"This person was on my staff for a short period of time back in the early 90's. Her allegations are false. Based on our records she never filed any kind of complaint or ever suggested anything of the sort she is alleging now decades later. I have always been a leader and fierce supporter of protecting woman's right's in the workplace. However this case is not credible and is a false accusation against me. I do not know what her motives are but she should stop peddling this lie."

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