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brooklynite

(94,482 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 09:29 AM Apr 2020

Justin Amash, Third-Party Spoiler? Michigan Experts Are Skeptical

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/us/politics/justin-amash-president-trump.html" target="_blank">New York Times

If a third-party presidential candidate were going to have a spoiler effect anywhere in 2020, it would seem to be in Michigan, after Representative Justin Amash, a five-term congressman from Grand Rapids, said this week he was preparing a bid for the Libertarian nomination in the November election.

In 2016, after all, Donald J. Trump won Michigan by just 10,700 votes — and the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, won 172,000 votes in the state. Mr. Amash’s likely entry into the race, as a native son in a state that is again likely to be a battleground, gave some Democrats and Never Trump Republicans overnight heart palpitations.

Nonetheless, strategists from both major parties in Michigan said on Wednesday that this year’s electoral landscape was so fundamentally altered from four years ago that Mr. Amash was not likely to have a major impact in the state, or on the general election as a whole. If Mr. Trump’s surprising victories in Northern industrial states in 2016 were based on high levels of dislike for the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, which depressed Democratic turnout, those appear to be lesser factors this time around as he prepares to face Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Mr. Amash, who was the sole Republican to support impeachment before leaving the party last year to become an independent, said in an interview that he was not worried about easing the president’s path to a second term.
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Justin Amash, Third-Party Spoiler? Michigan Experts Are Skeptical (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2020 OP
Knowing nothing of Michigan politics, a reason to agree with experts contrasting 2020 to 2016, karynnj Apr 2020 #1

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
1. Knowing nothing of Michigan politics, a reason to agree with experts contrasting 2020 to 2016,
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:40 AM
Apr 2020

I would point to 2000 and 2004. Gore likely would have won without Nader. Even if Florida cheated more than they actually did, NH would likely have gone to Gore. Those 4 electoral votes would have been the difference between winning and losing.

2004 was a much tougher year, with Bush entering the election year far higher in approval than Obama in 2012. Too many people were still rallying around win, traumatized by 911. However, one big difference was much lower numbers of people voted for left leaning independents. Although Nader himself said good things about Kerry, especially as a young man, the reason was likely that 2000 was a wake up call.

As to wake up call, as bad as Bush was in the 2000s, Trump is a 1000 times worse, with many fearing for our democracy. Just because of that, third party or protest votes should be less.

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