Don't worry about these milita turds My observations as a infantry vet

[TEB]

My neighbor is one and he now made friend on Facebook so our local militia has grown to three my neighbor his son and their friend . Several weeks ago I was out walking and I stopped and talked with them as they were heading out to get some range time.
My observations

Their well supplied on flags my neighbor flys
American flag
Rebel flag on his flag pole
A trump pence 2020 flag on his porch

Fatigues yes they had on camo fatigues with boonie soft hat not sure why you have to wear fatigues as civilian I don’t think it helps with marksmanship. Speaking from experience I knew some dudes that couldn’t hit H20 standing three feet away in fatigues.

Battle rattle they all have AR- 15 problem here is they only have five twenty round magazine’s between the three of them. So any suppression fire is gonna be lacking. Me personally I always preferred thirty round magazines and made sure my people carried them as well. Yes I was a spray and pray type with my M-16 put out rounds.

Personal gear two of them had web gear with the web suspenders one just had web belt. And between the three of them they have three ammo pouches and one canteen. As for rations the Mrs militia packed them sandwiches for their cooler. Our Newfie was sniffing the cooler his tail was wagging hey how about hooking a Newfie up fellas.

Personally I’m not that impressed and I think these three. Would have a hard time holding off a ground attack by a platoon of Girl Scouts. None of them has ever served this republic so it’s like kids playing soldier when we were young.

[tazkcmo]

1. Yup.

No command and control, no support, no recon. No experience or tactical knowledge and no discipline.

[TEB]

7. The Newfie

Was on recon sniffing the cooler

[tazkcmo]

31. Lol

I'd rather have that dog on my side than any of those militia guys

[TheBlackAdder]

62. They're tough until they come upon a Remington 870 at the door.

[tazkcmo]

63. Or a strong woman.

Given a choice, they'll pick the Remington.

[gibraltar72]

2. A mob is different than three inept guys. I've seen mobs before.

All reason leaves them and they act as a collective. These are dangerous people. They are being stoked by very dangerous people some who are war criminals in their own right.

[Delphinus]

14. You said it well.

A mob is different and that's what scares me most.

[safeinOhio]

33. I always wondered what would happen is some kid

lit off a pack of firecrackers around these guys.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

43. Wet spots in front of their pants would form...nt

[Chainfire]

3. Mall Ninjas

[Mopar151]

4. I live in hunting country.

"Hey! Those are all the guys I won't go huntin` with!"

[TEB]

5. I live in the sticks as well

And I agree with you

[weissmam]

6. Agree 100%

A bunch of know nothing loosers, that think they are tough

[usaf-vet]

44. They grew up watching to many John Wayne, Rambo type movies. Yet when they had the chance to.....

.... enlist and go fight in their generation battles where were they. Doing boot camp on a Nintendo.

Yes, I'm sure some did in fact serve in the military many maybe with distinction. But to now threaten others with weapons of war to gain ground in a political dispute is not the way to win or to change minds.

[Dirty Socialist]

8. K & R

[brewens]

9. I laughed at this outfit down the street last fall during deer season here in Idaho.

They aren't militia guys as far as I know. I saw three of them loading up to go hunting, all piling into a mid sized car. All of them were decked out head to toe in what I would assume was fairly expensive camo gear.

This is amusing to me because in the limited hunting I did around here when I was younger, the guys would have laughed their asses off if I would have shown up dressed like that! I think the only clothing item I even owned specifically for hunting was a blaze orange hat and a vest for bird hunting. I went a few time literally in my school clothes because we went out right from school.

I'd bet none of these guys have any money and they get them to think they need all that for deer around here. As long as it's not flashing neon, it makes no difference what you wear.

[Sierra89]

10. I live in Southern Arizona

I rarely see them except border "militia" and wannabes at gun shows. Most of us are used to open carry, but the camo is annoying. One thing I always wondered about, is their assumptions that "libs" are unarmed chickenshits. Just because we do not see a need to holster up a leg does not mean we are not carrying concealed. My father, uncle and several family members were and are law enforcement. I learned to shoot at 7yrs old, and have worked in law enforcement as administrative support. I held my own on the range with them when they took me along as they practiced for qualifications. I doubt camo crew could do so.

[Kaleva]

15. I carry but it's concealed carry and I wear normal clothes.

[WinstonSmith4740]

32. I'm outside of Las Vegas

BIG hunting community. Solid red. (In fact, at the caucus, I was surprised we had that many Democrats!) The gun department in our Ace Hardware is the equivalent of a local bar...it's where folks gather. I've never seen anyone up here open carry. In fact, the only time I've even seen the guns racks full is during hunting season. Down in Vegas...not uncommon to see some doofus open carrying. Including my nephew.

But this jumped out at me in your post, and I think it may be one of the reasons.

I learned to shoot at 7yrs old

The same holds here...these kids are out target shooting as children. They get their own "child size" rifle. They're taught everything about guns, including how dangerous they can be when used wrong, and most importantly, to respect that danger. They're never, at any time, ever allowed to consider a gun as a toy. I've been out here 21 years, and there has never been a child killing someone because they found dad's gun and didn't know what it could do. And when they're old enough, they go hunting with Dad and, very often, Mom.

"Camo crews" (we need to get that started in describing these wannabe's) are too gutless to actually join the military or police departments...and they're probably too dumb to qualify. I mean, they're not going to put themselves in a situation where someone could actually shoot back. They'll undoubtedly take out an innocent bystander at a convenience store someday trying to stop that guy boosting the store.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

11. If there's anything the past 2-3 decades of mass shootings have told us...

...you don’t have to be a military sharpshooter to create a lot of death and havoc with a gun.

If I’m a legislator or a staff member and I see some bozo walking around the Capitol with a gun, I would be rightfully freaking out.

[oldsoftie]

12. I understand the desire for some to protest a shutdown. Why do you need to be armed to do it??

It just makes you look stupid

[JI7]

17. It makes them feel like a "manly man" . They want to arm themselves

when they go to starbucks , mcdonalds, walmart , church, etc etc

[oldsoftie]

26. Not to mention, "open carry" is for suckers.

The FIRST thing someone will do if they want to attack you is GRAB THE GUN EVERYONE CAN SEE.

But yes, it goes towards making you look like a "tough guy"; which to them is more important than actually being prepared to defend yourself

[JudyM]

65. To show nobody ain't takin away their right to get a haircut.

[Glorfindel]

13. Thanks for sharing your wisdom and experience, TEB

Much appreciated, as always!

[TEB]

16. Absolutely I find them amusing

[gordianot]

18. They should be treated the same as any similarly armed Walmart shopper.

This needs to be stopped.

[mercuryblues]

19. hey, don't disparage girl scouts

They are a lot tougher than you think. They do everything boy scouts do, but with sashes.

[TEB]

20. Not at all

Our three daughters served in Girl Scouts total respect here

[mercuryblues]

37. I was being flippant

MY GS is now a Major in the US Army. Not a one of those men you describe could outshoot her, beat her in hand to hand combat or beat her in a 1 mile race. The only reason I say 1 mile is because they couldn't finish a 10 mile race with a 40+ LB. rucksack. Any actual soldier that I have met would never wear their cammo outside of work. Well, sometimes they do. Like when they're grabbing a bite to eat or grocery shopping on their way home.

[Jirel]

21. That lot of losers, maybe.

In my neck of the woods, they’re all ex-military or ex-cop. They aren’t inept or poor on gear and bullets.

[jmg257]

22. Cool - glad to know we don't have to fear AR-15s and 20 round mags anymore.

I will confess to owning camo for turkey and bow hunting, and a pair of BDU pants for trips to the range....love the pockets.

On edit: of course I am NOT part of a private militia! That's just goofy.

[catbyte]

23. So you're saying that they aren't exactly a "well-regulated militia,"

just overgrown kids playing Army. Just what I've observed. The woods in northern Michigan are full of them. And there's usually a 6-pack in the cooler that Mrs. Militia packs for them. Just hit the deck until their clips run out and we'll be fine. Oh, and they seem to forget that not all of us "libs" are pacifists. They'd get a big surprise if they came after me. My daddy taught me to shoot when I was 8. And I don't drink so my aim is better. And I've always remembered my dad's (who was a cop for 30 years & a Marine Raider) #1 lesson to me: "Don't be afraid to hurt someone who's trying to hurt you." He was afraid that girls were conditioned by society to be too meek and he wasn't going to let that happen to his little girl.

They really are a most pathetic lot. Have a good day and stay safe, my friend.

[TEB]

24. You as well friend

[Paladin]

25. All due respect, but: You've posted the Least Comforting Comments Of The Day. (nt)

[TEB]

60. Friend in no way was I trying to be alarming

These clowns would melt away at first moments of receiving controlled violence from a infantry element

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

27. I spent a tour in Vietnam doing LRRPs (Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols)

We lurps didn't go in for "spray and pray" firing, basically because we had to make our ammunition last at least a week, and it might be even two. I was given a team to command because I was a Ranger qualified lieutenant.

Anyway, I agree with you. The militia types I've seen are playing soldier. I was speaking with one once, and he told me that they were training to "defend the homeland" and he considered himself to be a solid infantry commander. So I asked him what METT-T and SALUTE meant. He didn't know.

I realize that there might be one or two of you who have forgotten or possibly never learnt those acronyms. METT-T is used in planning an infantry patrol. You must consider the Mission, Enemy, Terrain, Troops & Time Available. SALUTE is what you report when coming in contact with the enemy: Size, Activity, Location, Unit, Time, and Equipment. These two are essential things for any infantry patrol leader to know.

[TEB]

28. I sir

Tip my hat to you and you’re brothers

[roscoeroscoe]

39. Serious experience there, Fortinbras

Rosco Armstrong here, 26 years Army 4 overseas tours. 39/40 with M4 or M16. Never owned my own weapon, don't wear camo, they're all in duffle bags down in the basement. I have my duffels and one of my dad's from Viet Nam.

I'm embarrassed by these patriot avenger types to no end. I'm not sure which is worse, those who have served and act like this or those who have never served. Both are... sad but dangerous. As has been said, individually they are idiots but together they can be a mob.

[usaf-vet]

46. I salute your service. You are the second LRRPs member I know. My friend initials L.S. is doing...

....well in his senior years. My guess is he feels the same as you do regarding the "militia types".

[ronatchig]

29. I have a ? about the gun nuts in Michigan

Did they have ammo on their person in the legislature?
If so is it not illegal to have a firearm and ammo at hand in public sans a hunting lic.
The reason I ask is that I had a good friend in Mi. who faced felony charges for having a pistol in his car seat with a loaded clip in the console.
He managed to get it reduced to a mistamener and was fined for it. This was about 35 years back.

[3Hotdogs]

30. ---kids playing soldier. I was a cadet in the Civilian Air Patrol. 1957 -59.

Before I begin, C.A.P. is a great organization. When I was teaching in Jersey City, there was/probably still is a flight in our school.

So anyways, I was 15 and we were having an invasion drill. Now, this was the time that John Birch Society was flogging that there were commies in every community. "I Led Three Lives" was a popular book, later made into a tv show. The shit Herbert A. Philbrick did on tv was little related to real live, but the show was fun.

In my town, a schoolmate's father was arrested as a commie spy, along with a couple of other people in the Newark, N.J. area. In other words, the shit was real.

So back to the invasion drill. We met at the school around sundown and were driven to several important sites to practice protecting them when the Ruskies invaded. My site was the local water pumping plant. This was before Abbie Hoffman announced his plan to put free LSD in the Chicago water system supply.

Around 6:00 my fellow cadet and I were dropped off at the pumping station with nothing but a flashlight. The station operator - guard or whatever he was asked what we were doing. Our explanation of our duty was met with the equivalent of a "Whatever."

About an hour later, we were picked up and taken back to base. Our mission was a success. The water pumping station was secure. In fact, it is still secure to this day.

It wasn't until 9/11 that this episode in my young life flashed back. The pumping station is now fenced in. Audubon people with binoculars and sneakers used to be allowed onto the property. Now, even they are considered a security threat and are not allowed onto the water company property.

So, after 9/11, I was left to wonder, what was a 95 pound kid, in U.S.A.F. fatigues and a flashlight gonna do to protect Springfield, N.J.'s water supplies from the damn commies?

Then, I remember. The answer came in the movie, "Wolverines."

[roscoeroscoe]

40. Civil Air Patrol is cool

Wish I could have joined. The chapter in Frederick MD is really high speed.

[malaise]

34. I love this post

Rec

[WinstonSmith4740]

35. I love Newfies!

One of the best dogs I've ever had was a Newfie/German Shepherd mix. She had the nurturing instincts of the Newfie and protective instincts of the German Shepherd. She always came with me when I baby sat for neighbors, and I really think she was the reason I was #1 on everyone's list to call. Have any pictures?

[panader0]

36. "Mrs militia packed them sandwiches"

Good stuff again TEB.

[TEB]

38. How is the son

He’s a stud special forces I love him

[keithbvadu2]

41. What they see in the mirror

[lagomorph777]

42. They need one more flag: Putin/Trump 2020

[keithbvadu2]

45. Militia training

This is the bunch that Cruz (Parkland school shooter) was slightly acquainted with.

Their choice of cover music is quite telling.

[OAITW r.2.0]

52. LOL....is this really a serious recruitment video?

If this is the typical training exercise, there is not much to fear in these clown-soldiers....most would probably croak if they had to follow real military training.

[Aristus]

47. Personally, I'm glad most of the militia dicks are built like hypertensive sumo wrestlers.

They make a nice, big, fat target in the reticle of a tank gunnery system. For all their military surplus gear and juvenile "Roger, Alpha Base!" pseudo tough-talk, they won't stand up to real military firepower.

[TEB]

50. A few burst

From ma deuce they will go home

[TEB]

53. These turds be xtra crunchies

sorry I respect the armor bro’s I just have sense humor

[Aristus]

55. Don't forget the co-ax gun.

It's a lot easier to aim and fire while buttoned-up than the Ma Deuce. Plus: higher rate of fire. Watch 'em scatter!...

[TEB]

57. True

[roamer65]

48. I emailed our governor to call in our NG.

Gov Whitmer has the full power to do so and these freaks should start seeing black helicopters and military detention.

[TEB]

51. I love governor Whitmer like my gov mr wolf

They don’t do stupid

[roamer65]

58. She will be smart about it, TEB.

She’s a pretty sharp cookie. I was so proud of voting for her I took a picture of my ballot. First time we had all women for Governor, Attorney General and Secretary of State.

She’s cutting a bit of slack right now, but the hammer is coming.

One of these scumbuckets will do something stupid.

[OAITW r.2.0]

49. These anti-socialist rallies reflect the mindset of people who live on hate.

They hate diversity, education, democracy, and people in general.

Has any great society risen when the populations are predominately libertarian and anti-social? I can't think of any.

[ooky]

54. The only difference between them and Barney Fife is Barney

only got to have one bullet.

[dalton99a]

56. They're stupid white trash with dick issues

[TEB]

61. Mushroom dicks exactly

[HarlanPepper]

59. So it is basically Ted Nugent cosplay.

[Blue Owl]

68. Ted Nugent's Turd Pageant

n/t

[crickets]

64. K&R for the post and the discussion.

Good info, great stories.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

66. Most of them look like BIG targets too.

It’s clear that they didn’t go through boot camp recently (if ever).

[BrightKnight]

67. I don't worry about the ones playing dress up. One real nut

and people could get hurt. I’m guessing that it would politically backfire if something did happen. Trump has made it very clear that he is behind it.