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It looks like the erosion in Trump's hard-core base is very real (Original Post) kpete May 2020 OP
One can only hope that this trend continues. nt cry baby May 2020 #1
Unfortunately, in particular respects, it likely will Jarqui May 2020 #2
Don the Criminally negligent Con malaise May 2020 #3
Perhaps the collapse shall accelerate. Kid Berwyn May 2020 #4
If he's losing the Evilgelicals, he's well and truly fucked. lagomorph777 May 2020 #21
Now That they Have So Many Judges McKim May 2020 #28
"Pro-Life" (except for those already born) - throw kids in jail to die, gun nuts, covidiots... lagomorph777 May 2020 #35
Favorability drops are a significant inflection point. MFGsunny May 2020 #5
That jumped out to me as well. OAITW r.2.0 May 2020 #12
Unscientific Sample Roy Rolling May 2020 #17
I agree, it is a poor label. OAITW r.2.0 May 2020 #18
I found that troubling as well. smirkymonkey May 2020 #40
My sister-in-law says voting for Trump was the worst mistake of her life. Mister Ed May 2020 #6
L-O-L! Interesting "response".............. MyOwnPeace May 2020 #7
It's all about how many people are going to just accept being ruined by this? Many already are. brewens May 2020 #8
China buys a lot of pork from us. greymattermom May 2020 #9
My question is a different one, gab13by13 May 2020 #10
They are going to catch holy hell if they continue to export any meat to China. But just brewens May 2020 #37
To be precise: a growing number of them are dying at an accelerated rate scrabblequeen40 May 2020 #11
They've all been laid off FakeNoose May 2020 #14
Trump wants them to blame Democrats for that IronLionZion May 2020 #26
The Free Time Factor is Settling In McKim May 2020 #29
And he's gonna sue each and every last one of them. Buns_of_Fire May 2020 #13
Ive been saying this is happening but nobody wants to believe it. oldsoftie May 2020 #15
VP Kelyane Conjob? lagomorph777 May 2020 #22
Yes, a non vote is almost as good as a no vote. nt oldsoftie May 2020 #39
As I explained to someone else that was concerned about the VP pick. LiberalFighter May 2020 #30
I believe Biden has said he's considering naming Cabinet picks BEFORE the election. oldsoftie May 2020 #38
Trump: It's my nazi-looking campaign manager's fault! Sue him! Politicub May 2020 #16
Hah! You know you've lost it all whne you blame your campaign manager! machoneman May 2020 #19
So, according to the bottom chart, Trump's favorability ratings have increased in Dem states? Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #20
Margin of Error ? OnDoutside May 2020 #23
We don't have to win over every knuckle-headed Trump supporter gratuitous May 2020 #24
I commented about this to my wife a few days ago underpants May 2020 #25
I've been saying this for several months. LiberalFighter May 2020 #33
His favorability improved 1 point in Dem states? IronLionZion May 2020 #27
I agree, that makes this poll unbelievable ... aggiesal May 2020 #31
Margin of error applies in this poll as well as others Zambero May 2020 #32
PRRI - Public Religion Research Institute ... aggiesal May 2020 #34
Interesting... US4u2 May 2020 #36

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
2. Unfortunately, in particular respects, it likely will
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:46 AM
May 2020

because there will be a lot of unreported deaths and many more unnecessary deaths to come. Americans can look the other way on a lot of stuff but historically, not dead Americans.

Trump will lie again to blame it on China or Obama or whoever. And Trump will come up with a snake oil salesman pitch that he's developing a vaccine that will be ready shortly after the election but will be delayed if Trump has to run the transition from a country that doesn't have extradition with the US.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
4. Perhaps the collapse shall accelerate.
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:47 AM
May 2020

And then one day soon, it’ll be just Stephen Miller and Sebastian Gorka left to flog the orange horse for Putin.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
28. Now That they Have So Many Judges
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:08 AM
May 2020

Now that they have so many conservative judges, the White Evangelicals are having what they wanted out of Trump and they will find it harder to support this insane destructive “leader”. The unborn are SO much more important than those of us already here!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
35. "Pro-Life" (except for those already born) - throw kids in jail to die, gun nuts, covidiots...
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:40 AM
May 2020

...but all of a sudden, when the latest death cult craze is killing even the cultists, now they care. I'm so impressed with their morality.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
5. Favorability drops are a significant inflection point.
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:47 AM
May 2020

But what's with Democratic states in that second chart inching UP ????

OAITW r.2.0

(24,455 posts)
12. That jumped out to me as well.
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:36 AM
May 2020

There may be some statistical noise distorting these results. I suspect that continued polling on these states will show more erosion (or correction) than the other groups.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
17. Unscientific Sample
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:56 AM
May 2020

“Blue States” and “Red States” is not a reliable group to compare. Is Louisiana, with a history of Democratic voting and a Democratic Governor red or blue? Republicans all say it’s red but Democrats say it’s blue.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,455 posts)
18. I agree, it is a poor label.
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:06 AM
May 2020

The great political divide in this country appears to be "rural" vs. "urban" in every state. Rural areas tend to be self-isolating and insulated from outside influence. Urban areas have a lot more diversity of thought that impacts their world-view of these areas.

I'd love to see demographic data on Fox News viewers. I'll bet their biggest markets are located in primarily rural areas.

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
6. My sister-in-law says voting for Trump was the worst mistake of her life.
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:49 AM
May 2020

And, um, not to air any of the family's dirty laundry or anything, but lemme tell ya: to be the worst mistake of her life, it would have to be one helluva mistake...

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
7. L-O-L! Interesting "response"..............
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:08 AM
May 2020

your S-I-L should be thankful that you were so "kind" in explaining her "mistake!"

brewens

(13,574 posts)
8. It's all about how many people are going to just accept being ruined by this? Many already are.
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:09 AM
May 2020

If it had happened a couple years back right as I was having some medical problems, the loss of income, insurance and the medical bills would have buried me.

That's why they are so desperate to blame democrats. It can't be Trumps slow response, it has to be that most of their problems were forced on them by democrats because of the lockdowns. Even if the manage that and it momentarily looks good for the republicans, they still aren't going to just take it. No freakin' way most of those people hospitalized can afford to pay what most of them racked up in bills.

If people that have lost it all realize the wealthy came away even farther ahead, the shit is going to hit the fan and stay hit!

That situation with the meat packing plants is going to kill Trump. His order to stay open won't work. At best they can be running at diminished capacity soon if we're lucky. We will be seeing meat shortages at best, possibly produce as well, maybe overall food shortages, and maybe even food rationing before it's all over if it stays bad enough long enough.

Trump's thinking, this can't happen, it will ruin him, it's not fair. He thinks he can just order it to stop when the only thing he could have done was prevent it by earlier and aggressive action.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
9. China buys a lot of pork from us.
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:17 AM
May 2020

Will they continue to buy pork from meat processing plants with a history of coronavirus infection?

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
10. My question is a different one,
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:26 AM
May 2020

Trump forced meat packaging plants to remain open because not doing so would destroy the supply chain. Since farmers send a lot of pork to China, was Trump talking about our supply chain or China's?

brewens

(13,574 posts)
37. They are going to catch holy hell if they continue to export any meat to China. But just
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:22 AM
May 2020

snapping your finger to make it so isn't that easy. Everything that was in the pipeline to them can't that easily be rerouted to our stores and food banks. Even that takes some serious planning and expertise that Trump has made sure he doesn't have. That has to happen though. As usual Trump will make sure it's a bigger problem than it needed to be.

scrabblequeen40

(334 posts)
11. To be precise: a growing number of them are dying at an accelerated rate
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:28 AM
May 2020

and those who are still alive are turning on him.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
14. They've all been laid off
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:48 AM
May 2020

Entire towns have lost their jobs. The sad thing is that most of them won't be called back either. But yes, the death thing is real too. The ChumpHumpers are finally figuring out just how expendable we all are to Chump and the one-per-centers.



IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
26. Trump wants them to blame Democrats for that
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:04 AM
May 2020

but it's slightly harder to blame Dems for GOP controlled states closing down plants due to workers getting sick and dying.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
29. The Free Time Factor is Settling In
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:12 AM
May 2020

Most of these folks worked hard and long hours. Keeping workers busy and stressed left little time for reflection. FOX news and stickin’ it to the Libs was the evening’s entertainment. Now they are unemployed, without health care and with plenty of time to THINK. They are looking around at their kids and THINKING how this economy will hurt them.
They are not stupid. They will figure it out here pretty darn quick.

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
15. Ive been saying this is happening but nobody wants to believe it.
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:51 AM
May 2020

NO Hillary voter is going to vote for trump this time. MANY Trump voters either will vote against him or wont vote at all.
One friend told me he had no plans to vote for trump but likely wouldnt vote Biden either. Fine. One LESS Trump vote.
But he also said "I Wish Biden would pick a VP that would make me vote for him". But then he also couldnt tell me who that would be

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. VP Kelyane Conjob?
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:33 AM
May 2020


I'm guessing any VP pick that would bring in Trumpers would turn off sane voters. I'm happy enough if the Trumpers just stay home.

LiberalFighter

(50,888 posts)
30. As I explained to someone else that was concerned about the VP pick.
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:20 AM
May 2020

Who is picked as VP is not as important as the Cabinet positions that will be filled and the many other positions such as the NLRB and other labor related agencies. Normally I would not be as concerned about the Defense Dept or Homeland Security but Trump has weakened them and put this country at risk.

One of the tasks that Biden could assign his VP is to weed out people Trump planted in the depts and agencies. And then he will need someone to help him fill vacancies in the lower courts and the Supreme Court when they open.

Sure who is the VP is important but not in the way most think.

Just as Biden was a good VP. It was because Obama was in charge.

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
38. I believe Biden has said he's considering naming Cabinet picks BEFORE the election.
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:46 PM
May 2020

Maybe for the reasons you mention

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
19. Hah! You know you've lost it all whne you blame your campaign manager!
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:06 AM
May 2020

Funny as hell he did this. Watch for far more Trumpexplosions coming to a theater near you!

He's lost it for sure. I cannot for the life of me ever remember a politico, let alone a president (small p, like his p) who indicted his campaign manager before the election. Only Trumplestilkins would do this. Btw, this Brad fellow is pretty good at what he does so I do hope he quits or gets fired....and soon.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
24. We don't have to win over every knuckle-headed Trump supporter
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:58 AM
May 2020

But peel off 3-4%, and Trump's in big trouble. He hasn't done much of anything to attract new support from his 2016 run. People who didn't like him then probably aren't liking him much now.

underpants

(182,769 posts)
25. I commented about this to my wife a few days ago
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:58 AM
May 2020

Even the smallest chunk out of this base and he’s done.

One person I know on Facebook - hard core Trump- has gone fully into the STAY HOME mode.

LiberalFighter

(50,888 posts)
33. I've been saying this for several months.
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:31 AM
May 2020

When you know people that hold their position because of the political party saying they will not vote for Trump in 2020 then you know something is going on.

Add that to the economy, the virus, and everything else.

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
31. I agree, that makes this poll unbelievable ...
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:26 AM
May 2020

besides, I always say the only poll that matters is the poll on Nov. 3rd.

Then on the Nov. 4th Pendejo45 will be unemployed.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
32. Margin of error applies in this poll as well as others
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:26 AM
May 2020

Most statistical polling samples have results within a +/- 3% range. Given the 1% uptick in Dem states, perhaps this poll result was on the high end of the MOE, or possibly on the low end for the previous poll.

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
34. PRRI - Public Religion Research Institute ...
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:38 AM
May 2020

Never heard of them, so I don't know they political leanings.
Although, most anything associated with Religion leans conservative.

 

US4u2

(91 posts)
36. Interesting...
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:54 AM
May 2020

I had no idea that the effect of the corona virus was to stimulate the growth of republican brains! But, may be too soon to tell, after Pence's little escapade (though I think you have to have a brain to begin with).

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