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MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:09 AM May 2020

Michigan Apparently Has No Laws Against Open Carry in the State Capitol

Frankly, I think that's very strange. The situation simply is not covered by any law, so it's apparently OK to carry your AR-15 inside the Capitol building in a protest.

What's more, it's not even illegal for those firearms to be loaded. Open carry laws in some states require firearms being carried openly to be unloaded while carrying. But, since there is no law at all in Michigan about open carry, there is also no requirement that they be unloaded.

So, that group of armed protesters could well have been carrying their AR-15s and other firearms with full magazines, and even with a round in the chambers and the firearm ready to fire. There's no law prohibiting that.

So, the guys with the silly chin beards and mustaches could have opened fire at any time, I guess. Have you ever noticed that most of those folks have the same style of beard?

How does that make sense? That's my question. How is it OK for armed men, angry at the legislature of Michigan, to show up to intimidate legislators, fully armed with ready-to-fire weapons?

I say that it makes no sense whatsoever. It's long past time for the Michigan state legislature to pass a law protecting itself from intimidation by armed men, it seems to me.

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roamer65

(36,745 posts)
1. We will change the law after we flip the legislature in November.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:12 AM
May 2020

This crap will give us a fully Dem legislature IMO.

In the meantime, we have the state police and the Michigan NG to keep order.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
3. I emailed my governor to consider using the NG to secure the capitol grounds.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:14 AM
May 2020

I hope she does it.

The situation warrants it.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
5. Lacking any laws prohibiting the carrying of firearms in the
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:18 AM
May 2020

State Capitol, I'm not sure what she can do. I don't know the laws of Michigan, I'm afraid, that would affect her ability to prohibit such activities.

As it now stands, it looks like armed men could sit in the public areas of the legislative chambers fully armed at all times when the legislature is in its chambers. How does such a thing make any sense in a Democratic country?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
4. "... officer, there's some gun with a rifle here looking like he's up to no good..." Would've been
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:16 AM
May 2020

... call to the police if the MAGA KKKluckers were black

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
6. Oh, I'm sure if a group of armed black men showed up and did
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:19 AM
May 2020

exactly what that group of white protesters did, the results would have been different. No question in my mind.

And there's the rub.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
8. I just posted that's probably how to get the MAGA KKKluckers to stop doing the same move Putin
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:22 AM
May 2020

... did in the Ukraine; get bus loads of armored and armed non-whites in the same building at the same time.

The police get called and everyone has to leave.

But KKKluckers are violent and would start shooting ... that move is straight from Putin's playbook in Ukraine.

bluestarone

(16,906 posts)
7. Sounds like that's the RETHUGLICON way
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:20 AM
May 2020

People are idiots. and the rethugs know HOW to get their support. GUNS GUNS GUNS, That's all fucking people think about!

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
9. Certainly It Is Disorderly Conduct, Sir
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:22 AM
May 2020

And the response to being told so through bull-horns would certainly provide just cause for the necessary action.

These insurrectionists need to be put to the test of whether they shoot at an officer of the law, or obey the lawful commands of an officer of the law. Their pretense they are law-abiding patriots of heroic mien must be stripped from them, revealing they are outlaws or cowards.


"Kill one, warn one hundred."

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
10. It's okay to open-carry if you're white.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:24 AM
May 2020

If a black or Muslim person walked in carrying heat, the Capitol cops would have started blasting.

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
12. This has been a problem for a while
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:44 AM
May 2020

After Michigan legalized open carry of loaded long guns, a lot of videos of people just strolling down the street dressed up like they were going on patrol in Fallujah showed up on YouTube. They called them “Second Amendment audits.”

There’s a famous video of two of these pillars of society walking into a Dearborn police station wearing hoodies and ski masks and carrying multiple guns.

The best thing for the state of Michigan would be to return to the previous condition of concealed carry of handguns, cased carry of long guns and no open carry at all in built-up areas.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
13. Well, I don't live in Michigan, so I have no influence there regarding
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:45 AM
May 2020

that state's laws. It is a very strange thing, however, to watch.

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