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roamer65

(36,745 posts)
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:35 AM May 2020

Canada closes the market and bans assault-style weapons.

Watching the press conference on the CBC right now.

Current owners have until 2022 to turn in or deactivate them. They cannot be used during the amnesty period. They will receive fair compensation for them.

Good job, 🇨🇦

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Canada closes the market and bans assault-style weapons. (Original Post) roamer65 May 2020 OP
Wow, they don't mess around with gun-humpery. Hoyt May 2020 #1
They are banned immediately. roamer65 May 2020 #2
All for it here too. Let the white wing gun-lovers whine. Hoyt May 2020 #5
I would not object to such a ban but maybe make it so those in the National Guard can cstanleytech May 2020 #53
I'm not so sure courts will throw it out, but I get what you are saying. Hoyt May 2020 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Hiawatha Pete May 2020 #59
This was already on the table in parliment Bev54 May 2020 #23
That's not exactly the case. BobTheSubgenius May 2020 #55
Most will sell them if the price is right in the buyback program. roamer65 May 2020 #56
Not for buybacks. People who invest in lethal weapons shouldn't be rewarded when the majority Hoyt May 2020 #60
Hypocrite - *you* sold guns you owned, in lieu of destroying them friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #69
Somewhat oversimplified as those who owned them legally before may be grandfathered to keep them Hiawatha Pete May 2020 #58
K & R IllinoisBirdWatcher May 2020 #3
whow. whow. so so so good for everrybody. riversedge May 2020 #4
Deputy PM Freeland is making enormous sense right now. roamer65 May 2020 #6
She just ended with "enough is enough". roamer65 May 2020 #7
There is no other reason. SergeStorms May 2020 #46
K&R rogue emissary May 2020 #8
A good day for Disaffected May 2020 #9
Semi-automatics should be next. roamer65 May 2020 #10
Agreed Disaffected May 2020 #11
Hopefully they strengthen the regulation on the remaining weapons. roamer65 May 2020 #12
I don't have details but Disaffected May 2020 #32
Great! Newest Reality May 2020 #13
Excellent news! iluvtennis May 2020 #14
Now they need to ban the ammunition as well. Ford_Prefect May 2020 #15
Why? There's nothing special about it. friendly_iconoclast May 2020 #16
Okay, that's enough. Iggo May 2020 #19
And that, in a nutshell, is just how quickly it can be done in a sane country. Vinca May 2020 #17
THIS. roamer65 May 2020 #57
Where there's a will there's a way malaise May 2020 #18
I love Canada more every day! pazzyanne May 2020 #20
Bravo Canada packman May 2020 #21
Good to see sanity prevail. warmfeet May 2020 #22
AR-15 style weapons. The favorite for shooting schoolchildren. keithbvadu2 May 2020 #24
Favorite would be the wrong word. ManiacJoe May 2020 #62
Most common because..... paleotn May 2020 #65
Unfortunately that's still handguns, by a large measure (nt) Recursion May 2020 #66
how they define 'fair compensation' will determine their success Amishman May 2020 #25
Or putting them in jail. roamer65 May 2020 #29
I believe they tried that in Australia, didn't work well Amishman May 2020 #30
In my next life I'm going to be Canadian! OMGWTF May 2020 #26
good on them. AllaN01Bear May 2020 #27
Canada will still be a free country long after the US is taken down world wide wally May 2020 #28
They better open more schools, because that giant sucking sound from up there ffr May 2020 #31
It is hard to move to Canada hack89 May 2020 #35
Good job Canada! ITower68 May 2020 #33
Oo-rah pecosbob May 2020 #34
That's step 1. Step 2 is Trudeau's goons oppress your freedoms IronLionZion May 2020 #36
Looks as if the Statue of Liberty may have been delivered to the wrong address! n/t Judi Lynn May 2020 #37
Well, this will generate a lot of black market secondary sales in the US by the CAN border. aikoaiko May 2020 #38
Don't get caught with one in Canada. roamer65 May 2020 #39
I doubt it will make much difference as Disaffected May 2020 #40
90% of illegally owned guns in Canada came from the US. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #42
This is how it is done when a leader is not corrupt. nt SunSeeker May 2020 #41
Bravo Canada! smirkymonkey May 2020 #43
Mahalo, Canada.. I love you! Cha May 2020 #44
+100000 Hoyt May 2020 #61
If it wasn't so cold there sellitman May 2020 #45
Does this ban include weapons such as the Doc_Technical May 2020 #47
Take a look. roamer65 May 2020 #49
In my scan, I only saw 3 Rugers Hangingon May 2020 #51
By-name bans like that don't work very well Recursion May 2020 #67
I'm sure they will keep it up to date. roamer65 May 2020 #68
Good for them! n/t Upthevibe May 2020 #48
Good uponit7771 May 2020 #50
Canada, you're just daring sane thinking Americans to move there. Yavin4 May 2020 #52
If only. (N/T) Old Crow May 2020 #63
Out-fucking-standing!...nt N_E_1 for Tennis May 2020 #64

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
53. I would not object to such a ban but maybe make it so those in the National Guard can
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:27 PM
May 2020

acquire a license to possess a limited number of such guns.
The problem though is we would have to modify the Second Amendment to specifically state that otherwise the courts would probably throw it out.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Bev54

(10,051 posts)
23. This was already on the table in parliment
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:31 PM
May 2020

but covid interrupted it. They just got it done now while NS shooting is still fresh in everyone's mind, helps to shut down the gun worshippers.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
55. That's not exactly the case.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:48 PM
May 2020

Current owners can apply for a grandfather permit, but all the permit does is allow you to store it. You cannot sell it, give it away, convey it from its very secure safe (a req. for owning guns in Canada) or bequeath it. You cannot use it, even at a range, and you can't own ammunition for it. Upon the owner's death, it will have to be turned in and destroyed.

We are guardedly optimistic about this.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
56. Most will sell them if the price is right in the buyback program.
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:26 AM
May 2020

I definitely would if I were Canadian.

I would even sell my semi-automatic handguns if they offered the right prices if we ever go this route in the US.

I will not ever sell my revolver. I like that gun.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
60. Not for buybacks. People who invest in lethal weapons shouldn't be rewarded when the majority
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:58 AM
May 2020

— who aren’t into gunz — say we’ve had enough. Make them write it off like any bad/immoral “investment.”

Hiawatha Pete

(1,797 posts)
58. Somewhat oversimplified as those who owned them legally before may be grandfathered to keep them
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:31 AM
May 2020

One option is people that owned them legally will be able to keep them under a "grandfather" clause

That's the way it was always done in Canada when a certain type of firearm was reclassified from "non restricted" or "restricted" status to "prohibited" status , which is exactly what is being done here.

Per CTV News Canada:
"Gun owners who already own these assault-style weapons will be allowed to grandfather in their ownerships, allowing them to still possess these guns under specific terms"

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/these-are-the-1-500-assault-style-weapons-now-prohibited-in-canada-1.4921041

An example is the 12(6) class of prohibited handguns -ie short barreled handguns less than 4inches. Some people still legally own these in Canada as they were grandfathered.

With this new ban the government had already created a new 12(9) prohibited class with the passage of Bill C71 months ago:
https://bcfirearmsacademy.ca/prohibited-classes-of-firearms-12-2-12-3-12-4-12-5-12-6-12-7-12-9/

It only remained to create the new list of the firearms that would be banned, which was done by an order-in-council (kind of like a Presidential executive order in the US).

When a rifle is prohibited it becomes a paperweight, can't use it for hunting or at a range and the owner cannot transfer it to their heirs. When they die, gun is surrendered & destroyed.

Saves the Government some $$$ versus having a buyback as the only option.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
6. Deputy PM Freeland is making enormous sense right now.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:46 AM
May 2020

“These weapons are designed for one purpose, to kill people.”

SergeStorms

(19,200 posts)
46. There is no other reason.
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:36 PM
May 2020

Not for "fun", not for "target shooting", not for "protection". You can use any other gun for those purposes. Military style weapons were invented to kill as many people in the shortest amount of time. That's it. There is no reason for any responsible citizen, or any irresponsible citizen, to own them. None.

Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
9. A good day for
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:57 AM
May 2020

Canada. Next up, handguns.

I'm all in favour even though it might not dent the gun crime rate a whole lot as about 90% of gun crime here is committed using guns smuggled into Canada from the US. Still, it does help counter the gun culture...

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
10. Semi-automatics should be next.
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:03 PM
May 2020

Shotguns, hunting rifles and revolvers should remain for hunting. They need to respect the rights of First Nations on hunting.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
13. Great!
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:38 PM
May 2020

They won't be seeing "promiscuous gun toters", (as a head of the NRA called them long ago) standing around intimidating people and making shows of force in public, then. If they do, then they have a remedy.

We should try that here!

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
16. Why? There's nothing special about it.
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:12 PM
May 2020

If you want Canada to ban guns entirely, spit the mealies out of your mouth and say so.

pazzyanne

(6,551 posts)
20. I love Canada more every day!
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:26 PM
May 2020

If I were younger, I would be looking at obtaining a Canadian citizenship. Today's USA is not the country I was born into and lived in until 4 years ago. I am simply heartsick. However I will fight the good fight until my dying breath. I am joining the growing group of people who feel the way I do. We are in the fight of our lives and the life of the USA.

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
24. AR-15 style weapons. The favorite for shooting schoolchildren.
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:35 PM
May 2020

AR-15 style weapons. The favorite for shooting schoolchildren.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
62. Favorite would be the wrong word.
Sat May 2, 2020, 03:23 AM
May 2020

"Most common" would be more accurate. Most shooters take whatever weapon is available. AR-15 style rifles are just the most common rifle sold in the USA, thus very likely to be available to the shooter.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
65. Most common because.....
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:42 AM
May 2020

they think it makes them look cool and feel extra manly. Part of that cool, "manly" feel is the weapon's ability to put a large number of rounds down range in short order. And that's also what makes them de rigueur for mass murderers.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
25. how they define 'fair compensation' will determine their success
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:40 PM
May 2020

Australia did fairly well with this and paid out the low end of actual market values, and got 25-50% compliance (depending on whose numbers you believe)

New Zealand's recent ban and buyback was under 20% and paid under pre-ban market value.

They don't want to give up their toys, exploiting their greed is probably the best way to get around their stubbornness

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
29. Or putting them in jail.
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:01 PM
May 2020

After April, 2022 it probably will be a felony level offence in Canada to possess them.

Offer a reward for turning them in.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
30. I believe they tried that in Australia, didn't work well
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:10 PM
May 2020

gun nuts tend to live in rural areas with other gun nuts

The problem in Australia, NZ, Canada, and the US is that there are not accurate registries (in some cases no registries at all). Without records for verification, proactive enforcement isn't possible. They know it, which is why compliance drops way down if there isn't financial reward to comply.

Just throw money at them, its still far cheaper in the long run.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
31. They better open more schools, because that giant sucking sound from up there
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:20 PM
May 2020

is going to have a lot of American families having their children schooled there, where it is safer.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
36. That's step 1. Step 2 is Trudeau's goons oppress your freedoms
Fri May 1, 2020, 03:38 PM
May 2020

as you are defenseless against socialist tyranny



Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
40. I doubt it will make much difference as
Fri May 1, 2020, 04:34 PM
May 2020

that's where most of the Canadian crooks get their restricted firearms now.

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