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MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:44 AM May 2020

I See We Are Now Holding Joe Biden's Feet to the Fire.

I remember when we did that to Barack Obama, too. And Hillary Clinton. It appears that it is a tradition on DU to do that to all Democratic presidential candidates who are not the preferred nominee in some people's minds.

This time, it's an accusation that dates back to 1993, made by a woman who has a long history of accusing people of such things. There is no real evidence that any such sexual assault occurred, but that doesn't matter. The accusation has been made, so we must post dozens of times about what a bad thing such an accusation is for our presumptive nominee.

We must pick it all apart, again and again to keep it on everyone's minds. Never mind that the Republicans will be doing the same thing. It is our tradition to dig up every possible piece of dirt on the person we are nominating as our candidate for President.

How, I wonder, does that make any sense?

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I See We Are Now Holding Joe Biden's Feet to the Fire. (Original Post) MineralMan May 2020 OP
Well, democrats did it to themselves. LisaL May 2020 #1
Hmm...I see. It would be better if Trump won? MineralMan May 2020 #2
Says who? LisaL May 2020 #3
It also seems some folks simply make things up LanternWaste May 2020 #28
.. MineralMan May 2020 #31
I do't have to believe someone who lies all the time. no one does. we can do it May 2020 #36
No You don't have to believe all accusations but Trueblue Texan May 2020 #60
of course. but then, how many "investigations" does it take? stopdiggin May 2020 #69
I would believe the moon was made of blue cheese Butterflylady May 2020 #74
Perhaps a little more scrutiny of her is required by you Bev54 May 2020 #61
Hey, I'm not saying she's not lying... Trueblue Texan May 2020 #85
Nobody has denied her the right to be heard Bev54 May 2020 #86
I'm sorry...I wasn't addressing the op... Trueblue Texan May 2020 #89
Thank you! I agree! nolawarlock May 2020 #91
We need to stay focused and defeat Trump mokawanis May 2020 #4
Post removed Post removed May 2020 #5
Bernie Sanders has Endorsed Joe Biden MineralMan May 2020 #7
Darn, I miss all the fun! niyad May 2020 #78
Nothing Was Done To Sanders, Sir The Magistrate May 2020 #15
Nothing was done to Bernie here. He lost a primary nothing more. And Biden is the only one who can Demsrule86 May 2020 #29
... mcar May 2020 #34
Bahahahaha HarlanPepper May 2020 #39
... betsuni May 2020 #48
I know, right? NurseJackie May 2020 #90
I don't see that at all PatSeg May 2020 #52
Freaking stupid but I was in the camp that exboyfil May 2020 #6
Exactly. It is almost impossible to prove that something MineralMan May 2020 #9
I don't see anything stupid about that. LisaL May 2020 #13
Don't we agree? exboyfil May 2020 #23
Yep, we agree. LisaL May 2020 #35
+1 Dream Girl May 2020 #68
I see that ridiculous accusation about Biden posted here umpteen times a day. cwydro May 2020 #8
I don't wonder at all. MineralMan May 2020 #10
Yes, you're right. cwydro May 2020 #22
Clearly, such posters are deeply "concerned." MineralMan May 2020 #25
And supported another candidate...and deep in their hearts...they hope...hope Demsrule86 May 2020 #32
Yeah PatSeg May 2020 #43
Much like saying DENVERPOPS May 2020 #57
💯💯💯 live love laugh May 2020 #65
We Need To Get It Through Our Collective Heads, Sir The Magistrate May 2020 #11
Indeed we do, Sir. MineralMan May 2020 #12
Agreed, but the reason it's a hot topic today is because of Morning Joe wasting our energy on it lostnfound May 2020 #19
Bombard The Headquarters, Sir The Magistrate May 2020 #24
I would be a "Ma'am", Sir. 😂 lostnfound May 2020 #33
Lucky Him, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2020 #38
☺️ lostnfound May 2020 #59
And the right has an extraordinary talent PatSeg May 2020 #46
Sweet Jesus I hate that term... Peacetrain May 2020 #14
It's an old inquisition torture technique. MineralMan May 2020 #20
i'm not seeing that KayF May 2020 #16
Same. DTomlinson May 2020 #21
Welcome to DU. niyad May 2020 #79
I also have not seen anything but complete support for Biden Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #67
i agree with ignoring it KayF May 2020 #77
we are often our own worst enemy. NRaleighLiberal May 2020 #17
Yes, we are, it seems. MineralMan May 2020 #18
To think almost everyday we are subjected to the liar in chief, a reporter asiliveandbreathe May 2020 #26
And can you imagine PatSeg May 2020 #47
Everyone should know DENVERPOPS May 2020 #58
Spearheaded by right wing trolls. Kingofalldems May 2020 #27
Unfortunately Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #30
Sadly PatSeg May 2020 #49
I never pay attention to such noise, Gop and putin are desperate now beachbumbob May 2020 #37
Like Republicans, Democrats need to single-mindedly focus on winning elections. sop May 2020 #40
Death to Democrats for jaywalking* - while Republicans are literally getting away with mass murder dalton99a May 2020 #41
They swift boated Kerry, Birtherismd Obama, Benghazid Hillary judesedit May 2020 #42
Drumpf is a serial rapist child molester. Epstein is dead cause he knew it. judesedit May 2020 #44
+1 Lulu KC May 2020 #54
for some strange reason.. stillcool May 2020 #45
Not me Lulu KC May 2020 #50
Why wasn't this vetted in 2008 while running for VP? IronLionZion May 2020 #51
+1 exactamundo n/t Lulu KC May 2020 #55
because there was no accusation in 2008. period. (nt) stopdiggin May 2020 #70
+ agree MineralMan. This is the election of a life time - we need to support Joe Biden. iluvtennis May 2020 #53
The possibility of Joe Biden committing sexual assault is as likely... 3catwoman3 May 2020 #56
Better now than an October Surprise Tarc May 2020 #62
Who said anything about making sense? n/t DFW May 2020 #63
This story is bullshit, for numerous reasons named above and elsewhere in the media, but in the smirkymonkey May 2020 #64
Problem is, we can't get away with that Just_Vote_Dem May 2020 #66
I haven't and won't. But I will say this: On another thread, Cha made a good point. PatrickforO May 2020 #71
I for 1 am laughing, you knew they'd try, the fully corrupt party must be desperate, but.... Brainfodder May 2020 #72
I understand what you are saying, but ignoring it will not make it go away. totodeinhere May 2020 #73
The real question is how long a period of time can elapse.. MicaelS May 2020 #75
And so many little facts are omitted-the original "uncomfortable touching my hair/shoulder" niyad May 2020 #76
One correction maxrandb May 2020 #80
I agree with Joy Reid Gothmog May 2020 #81
Recommended. H2O Man May 2020 #82
There is precedent for it. And some of the same figures MineralMan May 2020 #83
I agree 100%. H2O Man May 2020 #84
It just takes one accusation Progressive dog May 2020 #87
Not me. I haven't even read any "Reade" threads here... Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #88
Bernie supporters are using a rape allegation to try and circumvent democracy Gothmog May 2020 #92

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
1. Well, democrats did it to themselves.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:47 AM
May 2020

You have to believe all the accusations, therefore logic follows that if anybody makes an accusation, such an accusation is accurate.
Pointing out obvious flaws in accuser's claims is "shaming the victim." That gives an accused very little avenue to respond.
They can't shame the victim. You can't prove something didn't actually happened unless an accuser provides an exact date of the supposed incident and you can prove you were somewhere else at the time.
Basically, you could see it coming-anybody who was going to be our choice was likely to be accused.
Even a female candidate is not immune from such accusations.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
2. Hmm...I see. It would be better if Trump won?
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:50 AM
May 2020

It sure seems like some folks think just that.

'Tis a puzzlement..."

It's not really, of course, puzzling at all. Clearly, some hope this will cause Biden to lose.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
3. Says who?
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:51 AM
May 2020

Sure as hell not me.
How many times has Trump being accused? Republicans don't seem to care. Whereas democrats forced Al Franken to resign over some accusations one of which was he put his hand around a waist (and apparently pinched some fat on that waist) of some lady with whom he had a photo taken.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. It also seems some folks simply make things up
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
May 2020

'It sure seems like some folks think just that..."

It also seems some folks simply make things up in order to argue a point no one of note is making. It's not really, of course, puzzling at all. Clearly, some hope their pretense of self righteousness will come true if they simply advertise it loud enough.

we can do it

(12,118 posts)
36. I do't have to believe someone who lies all the time. no one does.
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:12 PM
May 2020

That woman is a serial "victim".
She makes me sick.

stopdiggin

(11,095 posts)
69. of course. but then, how many "investigations" does it take?
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:01 PM
May 2020

or do you just Benghazi and email things over, and over, and over ...?

And those processes (to be overly polite) were useful in what way? There comes a time when "we must believe .." and "we must investigate .." becomes ludicrous .. and obvious injustice. And minds that can't get there .. should not be pampered and assuaged.
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Butterflylady

(3,523 posts)
74. I would believe the moon was made of blue cheese
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:50 PM
May 2020

Before I would believe Biden did what he was accused of doing. It's that simple.

Trueblue Texan

(2,372 posts)
85. Hey, I'm not saying she's not lying...
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:42 PM
May 2020

...I'm saying exactly what Biden said. We can't stand by our principles and simply dismiss charges against someone without looking into them. But we have to at least investigate. If her claims are not credible, and from what I've seen, they are not, then make that case. But don't deny her right to be heard. As a woman, I believe that is the right thing to do.

Bev54

(9,963 posts)
86. Nobody has denied her the right to be heard
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:07 PM
May 2020

She has been heard and dismissed by those who are much more experienced in this area than us.

Trueblue Texan

(2,372 posts)
89. I'm sorry...I wasn't addressing the op...
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:11 PM
May 2020

I was answering one more specific to my answer. further down. Sorry if I caused confusion. Of course, we must take accusations seriously. Of course, we must consider context and results of investigations. I agree, there is plenty of reason to doubt her credibility and plenty of reason to give VP Biden the benefit of the doubt. We are on the same side here.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
91. Thank you! I agree!
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:41 PM
May 2020

As I said on another thread, those spearheading the #metoo movement should have realized that careening from the horrible default position of disbelieving women to the, quite frankly, equally horrible default position of believing women would always end this way. The #metoo movement should have always been about listening to alleged victims of assault, hearing them out, being compassionate, and then evaluating their story. That we set the standard as they are "automatically telling the truth," absolutely sets up. The article Scarborough links to is right. With the current standard, #metoo is little more than a hit squad when it should be representing a standard of protecting victims while also protecting the accused, as the latter is the very standard of innocent until proven guilty upon which our country is based.

The presumption of belief is the very antithesis of the presumption of innocence on the part of the accused.

mokawanis

(4,434 posts)
4. We need to stay focused and defeat Trump
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:51 AM
May 2020

so I'm all for putting aside, for now, pretty much anything that detracts from or weakens our efforts against Trump. There will be ample time after the election to debate and argue and discuss concerns. AFTER we defeat Trump.

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
7. Bernie Sanders has Endorsed Joe Biden
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:53 AM
May 2020

Bernie Sanders is no longer running for President.

Perhaps you missed that news.

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
15. Nothing Was Done To Sanders, Sir
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:59 AM
May 2020

But your attempt at deflection is noted, and your illustration of just why so many find it hard to completely trust the most vociferous supporters of 'Bernie' to do the right thing come November is appreciated....


"Your attitude is noticed! Oh yes, it is noticed!"


Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
29. Nothing was done to Bernie here. He lost a primary nothing more. And Biden is the only one who can
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
May 2020

stop Trump.

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
6. Freaking stupid but I was in the camp that
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:53 AM
May 2020

Feinstein should have written Dr. Ford back indicating that the Senate would not be able to investigate her charges.

That seat was lost in 2014 when the Senate was lost. Until we get the Senate back there won't be another Democratic SC nomination.

I don't know how I would defend myself from such an accusation when I was in high school.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
9. Exactly. It is almost impossible to prove that something
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:55 AM
May 2020

didn't happen. It's very easy, however, to claim that something happened.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
13. I don't see anything stupid about that.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:57 AM
May 2020

After so many years, when someone comes with an accusation, it's pretty much impossible to prove one way or the other.

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
23. Don't we agree?
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:04 PM
May 2020

It is freaking stupid to run with a single (or even several) problematic complaints without some facts to back up the accusation(s).

The Kavanaugh thing was a disaster.

Franklin was sacrificed to win the Senate seat in Alabama.

The overreaction of the colleges on Title IX complaints has also been a disaster.

I know I wouldn't want to enter a star chamber on accusations.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
8. I see that ridiculous accusation about Biden posted here umpteen times a day.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:54 AM
May 2020

I see it much more here than on any MSM.

Makes one wonder...

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
22. Yes, you're right.
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:02 PM
May 2020

I remember the specific posters who first started it.

Usually the posts begin with, “I saw this on facebook,” or “Tell me how to dispute this with my trumper family.”

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
57. Much like saying
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:10 PM
May 2020

to some guy: "are you still beating your wife" ?????????

RepubliCONS are great at accusing Dems of stuff that the Repubs are actually doing to put the dems on the defense. The Dems spend all their time defending themselves, rather than on the offense nailing the Repubs......

How pitifully simple, yet effective every single time.........They have been doing it for three or four decades........

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
11. We Need To Get It Through Our Collective Heads, Sir
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:55 AM
May 2020

The time for this sort of crap is over. They cannot ruin our leaders without our help, and there are a damned sight more of us than there are of them. Well-meaning, good-hearted people who tend to the left need to learn not to allow their better natures to be taken advantage of by vicious scum on the right, and splinterest wreckers on the far left, who enlist them in their charges against figures of the center left, by exhorting them to 'be consistent' and telling them 'don't be hypocrites'. The proper response to attempts at this is a hearty "Fuck off! Nobody cares what a rancid piece of dogshit like you thinks!" Or words to that effect....

Only attack the enemy, the christo-fascist right.

Never, ever, attack people who are on your side.


If you want one quick reason why the right wing wields power well out of proportion to the popularity of its policies, it is that they adhere to this rule, and we on the left do not.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."



lostnfound

(16,138 posts)
19. Agreed, but the reason it's a hot topic today is because of Morning Joe wasting our energy on it
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:01 PM
May 2020

The mouthpiece for the right keeps marching its base in lockstep like lemmings.

The closest thing that liberals have to a foothold in mainstream media, MSNBC, spends its precious airtime and our precious energy swiftboating our own candidates.

In my opinion, if they really understood what was at stake this time, they wouldn’t do it.
Maybe they want to shakedown Biden for more ad revenue.
Maybe they want trump to get re-elected.

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
24. Bombard The Headquarters, Sir
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:05 PM
May 2020

Make sure everyone knows we are having none of it, shame any on our side who try and pretend there's something to this swill, and blanket 'news' outlets who try and peddle these lies with angry protests and threats of boycott --- anything short of actual threats of lethal violence.


There are a damned sight more of us than there are of them.



"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

PatSeg

(46,804 posts)
46. And the right has an extraordinary talent
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:45 PM
May 2020

for using their opponents' strengths against them. Sadly, Democrats tend to fall for it over and over again.

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
14. Sweet Jesus I hate that term...
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:58 AM
May 2020

Holding their feet to the fire was always just a cowards way of trying to take them down.. It still drives me crazy and you are 100% right!!

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
20. It's an old inquisition torture technique.
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:01 PM
May 2020

It's a great way to get a confession of heresy out of someone, it seems.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
67. I also have not seen anything but complete support for Biden
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:58 PM
May 2020

and posts against the Reade woman. I have also not seen it discussed on my facebook feed at all and I have only liberals as friends and family. I don't watch much cable news where I assume they are probably talking about it more.

I read that he unequivocally denied it ever happened this morning on morning joe. I think he should leave it at that and ignore it like Trump did about his accusations.

The most I have heard about it is here. Maybe we should put this behind us and keep moving forward to get out the vote. If people come out to vote in November we win hands down. I truly believe that.

KayF

(1,345 posts)
77. i agree with ignoring it
Fri May 1, 2020, 03:10 PM
May 2020

and responding to every question about it by listing EVERY accusation against Trump, of which there are a lot, and saying he will not comment further until Trump addresses ALL of them.

I don't think any of the responses should say anything about Reade herself.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
26. To think almost everyday we are subjected to the liar in chief, a reporter
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
May 2020

asks a question and his response is "that's a nasty question', and he gets away with it...does that make any sense?

The pos is able to hype a drug without a license, and get away with it, does that make any sense?
The pos goes golfing and holds rallies while Rome burns, does that make any sense?

The pos gets caught in a pay off to an adult entertainer, skates, Cohen goes to jail, does that make any sense..to many to mention..

Now, with little media exposure available, Joe Biden is asked to respond to a woman who has changed her story many times..almost as many times as she has changed her name..this will be
fodder for days..my hope is journalists do due diligence and investigate the crap out of this "Tara" story..

Our charge, therefore, is, to be the voice of America in these dark days, and bring the light in November...I am not so naïve to think this will be a walk in the park - another day, another donation to the Biden campaign..we are the wind under the wings of our country..that make sense to me..


PatSeg

(46,804 posts)
47. And can you imagine
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:50 PM
May 2020

if Joe Biden had said to Mika, "That's a nasty question"? The crap Trump gets away with is mind-boggling and he seems to get worse every day. A Democrat can't even pull off wearing a tan suit or eating fancy mustard on a burger.

Kingofalldems

(38,361 posts)
27. Spearheaded by right wing trolls.
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
May 2020

Others here take the bait. Remember the Al Franken business, one poster in particular would start multiple threads every day trashing him.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
30. Unfortunately
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:09 PM
May 2020

There are some who can't help but parrot GOP talking points. Too many on the left do that so they can sit on their high horse protecting some warped "principle" about fairness and then feel superior rather than work to help elect Democrats. This is why Dems lose many elections that we should have won.

sop

(9,946 posts)
40. Like Republicans, Democrats need to single-mindedly focus on winning elections.
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:25 PM
May 2020

Republicans are never concerned about the sins of their candidates, but they cynically manipulate and use Democrats' concerns against our own candidates.

dalton99a

(81,068 posts)
41. Death to Democrats for jaywalking* - while Republicans are literally getting away with mass murder
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:26 PM
May 2020

*suspected or actual

judesedit

(4,437 posts)
42. They swift boated Kerry, Birtherismd Obama, Benghazid Hillary
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:39 PM
May 2020

The scum is definitely gonna do something like this to Biden, too. Don't buy into the bullshit. She's accused many of assaulting her. She used to hate Putin. Now she's in love with him. See where this is going? DUMP TRUMP! It is critical for our country's health.

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
54. +1
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:02 PM
May 2020

Yes, it is beyond irony that this is the thing being used against Joe. This and a supposedly corrupt family member. The projection model. Oy vey.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
45. for some strange reason..
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:42 PM
May 2020

I keep seeing and hearing Reverend Wright, and Howard Dean. It doesn't take much to stir memories of those major cataclysmic events, and it didn't take much to start them

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
50. Not me
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:57 PM
May 2020

Why? (My husband and I just had this conversation.)

I'm not just against Trump, I'm for Joe.

It is not Joe's style to lie. I think if it had happened, he would say so. And why not? It was 1993. He's been around long enough to make plenty of mistakes. Look at his competitor's ****-grabbing boast. It would be more Joe's style to admit it and get into a bigger mess trying to work through nuances because that's who he is. (To me, one of his endearing qualities) But he is absolutely not doing that. He is sure of himself.

Putin apologist? Dad's book thing? Supporter of another candidate? Get real.

I am with Joe.

(And finding it kind of interesting in my anecdotal personal observations that men are more inclined to examine this closely than women are. This indicates general growth in consciousness to me. #MeToo has done a lot. For her to think she can ride on its coattails and subject us to another four years of hell is making my blood boil. Insult + injury)

Rant may be over, for now.



IronLionZion

(45,259 posts)
51. Why wasn't this vetted in 2008 while running for VP?
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:58 PM
May 2020

They could have used it then to take them both down.

iluvtennis

(19,757 posts)
53. + agree MineralMan. This is the election of a life time - we need to support Joe Biden.
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:59 PM
May 2020

And I'm tired of the media picking apart Joe Biden for this one accusation while not talking about the 14 sexual assault allegations against trump. If they are going to report on this Joe Biden accusation, ad nauseam, they need to do the same with trump.

Don't forget the 2016 election where the media EXTENSIVE reporting on Hillary and the emails, but VERY LITTLE reporting on trump and the sex assault allegations, fraud, con schemes, housing discrimination, etc.

3catwoman3

(23,819 posts)
56. The possibility of Joe Biden committing sexual assault is as likely...
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:09 PM
May 2020

...as the possibility that I would want to grope Donald Trump - no way in hell!

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
62. Better now than an October Surprise
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:27 PM
May 2020

This woman's story has holes galore. I have little doubt about the "touching" part, many men of Biden's age are from the era of shoulder-touches, pats, pecks on the cheek, etc... but Reade has conveniently tacked on a more serious charge well after talking about the first one. The same pattern is seen with the character witnesses, e.g. her brother, who spoke again days later with "oh yea, the assault".

It's better to air this, along with all the other craziness like the near-masturbatory Putin-fawning, out now in May. Get it out there, knock it down, and it will be a faded headline by July.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
64. This story is bullshit, for numerous reasons named above and elsewhere in the media, but in the
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:44 PM
May 2020

future, Joe and other Democrats need to take a page from Trump's playbook. Don't even get defensive. Just act like you don't know what they are talking about when you are accused of something. "Never met her", "Never heard of it", "I have no idea as to what you are talking about", "That's a lie, you are a liar", "Fake News!", etc....

Never show up for court, never admit a mistake, never complain, never explain. Never get in the position of having to defend ourselves for anything. Whatever they accuse us of, it's all a big LIE. Because if there is one thing everyone knows by now is that all they do is LIE.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
71. I haven't and won't. But I will say this: On another thread, Cha made a good point.
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:30 PM
May 2020

And I remember this too.

Remember how carefully Obama vetted EVERYONE who was going to be connected with his administration? If Biden actually DID this, i.e. if Reade's accusation really is credible, Obama never would have picked Biden as his VP. Ever.

To my mind, the fact Obama DID pick Biden, who served as VP two terms, makes me believe Reade's accusation is flimsy at best, and likely false.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
72. I for 1 am laughing, you knew they'd try, the fully corrupt party must be desperate, but....
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:32 PM
May 2020

FUCK THEM, reap what you sow, end of discussion.

totodeinhere

(13,037 posts)
73. I understand what you are saying, but ignoring it will not make it go away.
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:35 PM
May 2020

As you said, the Republicans will use this. The whole idea is to take Trump's many abuses of women out of the conversation by saying that Biden did it too. Never mind the truth. As long as this accusation continues to get attention then Trump wins.

So I think that Joe had no choice but to confront this head on so that we can get this behind us. It's better to be talking about it now. We don't want it on the front page just before we go to the polls in November.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
75. The real question is how long a period of time can elapse..
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:50 PM
May 2020

Between the alleged assault, and the alleged victim coming forward, and expect said victim to be taken seriously?

If the legal system has a statue of limitations that should be the goal, IMO.

Do not forget there were plenty of members on DU posting they would never forgive Biden for the way Anita Hill was treated.

niyad

(112,435 posts)
76. And so many little facts are omitted-the original "uncomfortable touching my hair/shoulder"
Fri May 1, 2020, 02:53 PM
May 2020

Was not made until after JB announced. The sexual assault thing was just added. Her Twitter account has a number of posts praising JB's work on VAWA. Also contains many posts praising Putin (some in Russian). Her tweets for BS. Accusations of theft at a non-profit for which she worked. Her accusations of similar acts against at least five other people.


Utterly amazing.

maxrandb

(15,192 posts)
80. One correction
Fri May 1, 2020, 04:13 PM
May 2020

Sure, the Retrumplicans will be doing the same, but now they can cite CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, The. New York Times, Washington Post, NPR and the AP so they can say; "see... if these 'liberal' media sources are covering it, it can't be partisan".

This is how the right-wing smear machine works. They nibble and nibble at it... maybe even complain that no one else is covering it, and then, as soon as it hits a "legitimate" news organization, it takes off like a wild fire.

Hence, a story with absolutely no evidence is suddenly the story that must be front page everywhere.

See Barack Obamas birth place, Benghazi, Kerry's War Record and Butter emails for just a few examples.

H2O Man

(73,324 posts)
82. Recommended.
Fri May 1, 2020, 04:25 PM
May 2020

It is part and parcel of the rapidly growing ugliness within this country, that Dr. Bandy Lee described so powerfully in my second interview, posted on this forum ein the week. I've studied both the individual who is accusing Biden of something that I am 100% convinced he did NOT do, as well as those promoting the lie, and those who will seek to capitalize on it in the fall.

There is one good way to deal with this, that we should be activating now, rather than waiting until the general election season. But I do not see any evidence that most good Democrats -- including those on this forum -- are aware of it. There are a number of bad alternatives, that will not only do zero good, but can and will be harmful. It makes me sad to see how much energy is being invested in those negative alternatives.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
83. There is precedent for it. And some of the same figures
Fri May 1, 2020, 04:27 PM
May 2020

who played in those precedents are playing in this one, too.

We must all have very, very short memories.

H2O Man

(73,324 posts)
84. I agree 100%.
Fri May 1, 2020, 04:44 PM
May 2020

These are experts at weaponizing lies, and exploiting a woman with a severe personality disorder. There are ways to calmly expose her issues, without viciously attacking her. We should be attacking those who are exploiting her.

There is much more to dealing with it, of course. But the grass roots isn't there yet. They need to move to that higher ground very soon.

Progressive dog

(6,862 posts)
87. It just takes one accusation
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:52 PM
May 2020

to set the dogs loose on a Democrat. Hunter Biden and Ukraine didn't work, this is just the next attack on our nominee.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,847 posts)
88. Not me. I haven't even read any "Reade" threads here...
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:56 PM
May 2020

... until yours for the last several weeks.

One thread, from that time, that documented her wackiness was all that I needed to read about it.

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