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Galraedia

(5,025 posts)
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:49 PM May 2020

The Real Purpose and Objectives for the Accusations Against Vice President Biden

I’m not writing to get into the specifics of the allegations made against Vice President Biden by Tara Reade. I will stipulate up front that I was approached about them at the beginning of the month by someone who was very concerned because of what Ms. Reade had written about Russia and Vladimir Putin and asked my professional opinion as someone with experience working on influence operations. At that point I was what allegations? I quickly got up to speed and then took a deep dive based on what was being reported at the beginning of the month – the allegations Ms. Reade is making against VP Biden, the allegations that others have made against Ms. Reade, the interviews she was doing and the reporting about the allegations, the stuff she wrote about Russia – and what has been subsequently reported. Based on that review, I have significant questions about her veracity and her objectives, which I reported back to the person who had reached out to me. Basically, I think there are a lot more questions raised by the interviews she’s done, the corroborating witnesses that have come forward, and the motivations of the biggest names promoting this.

But let’s leave that aside. What I want to focus on is what appears to be the endgame, the actual objective, of bringing the allegations. It is clearly not to seek justice through a prosecution. It’s been almost 30 years and it is a she said/he said type of situation with no physical evidence, no solid accounting of day, date, and time, and no direct witnesses. Rather the endgame, the actual strategic objective, is something else. Specifically it is to manipulate the process, including the process of political and campaign reporters and reporting in the US, and that of the campaign itself to dirty up Vice President Biden with enough voters to drive down his positives, drive up his negatives, and ensure that the President is able to eke out another narrow reelection in the Electoral College despite the outcome of the popular vote.

The people pushing Ms. Reade’s allegation are all invested in seeing Vice President Biden losing. Either being forced out as the Democratic nominee to be replaced by their own preference (Senator Sanders) or losing to the President in the general election. And whether they are dead ender supporters of Senator Sanders or alt-right supporters of the President, they all have their own reasons that don’t always align, but their objective here do overlap. One of the key elements of what they are doing is manipulating process in order to purposefully misinform people about the actual process.

Shortly after Ms. Reade made her allegations, the Senate personnel office indicated they had no documentation indicating that she’d made a complaint of any sort against Vice President Biden back in 1993. This had led to a call for Vice President Biden to allow the University of Delaware, which is the official archive for his professional papers from his time in the US Senate; to waive the agreement that keeps that archive sealed until two years after he ceases to be a public figure so that investigative journalists can search for Ms. Reade’s complaint in those archived documents. This is being done under a call for transparency from people who supported candidates who were the least transparent candidates in 2016 and again in 2020. That small inconsistency aside, there are two major problems here. The first is that these types of complaints would not have been forwarded to the person alleged to have committed the harassment or assault. They would have been kept with the Senate personnel office to protect Ms. Reade as the person making the allegation while any investigation was undertaken. So there will not be anything in Vice President Biden’s senatorial archive to find. And this leads to the second problem, which we can see in this screen grab of a now deleted tweet from Katie Halper from this morning:



Read more: https://www.balloon-juice.com/2020/05/01/the-real-purpose-and-objectives-for-the-accusations-against-vice-president-biden/

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The Real Purpose and Objectives for the Accusations Against Vice President Biden (Original Post) Galraedia May 2020 OP
Be sure to read Biden's whole statement. Excellent! LAS14 May 2020 #1
That Is An Excellent Piece, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2020 #2
if you give the GOP access they will be sure to find something, anything librechik May 2020 #3
From Joy Reid Gothmog May 2020 #4
They are doing some serious drugs if they think Bernie Sanders will get the nomination by default Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #9
I am glad that this is being dealt with now, instead of closer to the election Proud Liberal Dem May 2020 #5
These are the remarks @JoeBiden made about Tara Reade Gothmog May 2020 #6
Thank you for this, Goth! Cha May 2020 #8
The people pushing Ms. Reade's allegation are all invested in seeing Vice President Biden losing. Cha May 2020 #7
They want the Democratic party destroyed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #10
They need to go down on the junk pile Cha May 2020 #14
I think they also want to destroy Metoo and anyone who supported it dustyscamp May 2020 #11
I don't think that...they are using it to attack Democrats...they will be sad if it goes away but it Demsrule86 May 2020 #13
He won't fall for it...it is pretty much over now. Demsrule86 May 2020 #12
This did not age well videohead5 May 2020 #15
Its twofold in reality sunonmars May 2020 #16
Thank you @JoyAnnReid for being brave enough to say what is really going on: Gothmog May 2020 #17
This entire thread is about forcing the nomination out of VP Biden's hands Gothmog May 2020 #18

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
2. That Is An Excellent Piece, Ma'am
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:00 PM
May 2020

The statement Halper deleted gives the game away completely --- no amount of evidence whatever will be accepted by these trolling shit-heels as sufficient for exoneration. They simply wish to press the charge.

The effectiveness of this is dependent on getting others who do not share their agenda to echo and amplify their efforts.

We must make sure everyone knows we are having none of it, shame any on our side who try and pretend there's something to this swill, and blanket 'news' outlets who try and peddle these lies with angry protests and threats of boycott --- anything short of actual threats of lethal violence.

Show-boat talking heads playing at 'balance' as if the Golden Mean were not a logical fallacy need to learn fear of social consequences. There are a damned sight more of us than there are of them, and we need to come together and make this plain.

The time for this sort of crap is over. They cannot ruin our leaders without our help, and we need to get this through our collective heads. Well-meaning, good-hearted people who tend to the left need to learn not to allow their better natures to be taken advantage of by vicious scum on the right, and splinterest wreckers on the far left, who enlist them in their charges against figures of the center left, by exhorting them to 'be consistent' and telling them 'don't be hypocrites'. The proper response to attempts at this is a hearty "Fuck off! Nobody cares what a rancid piece of dogshit like you thinks!" Or words to that effect....


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."


librechik

(30,674 posts)
3. if you give the GOP access they will be sure to find something, anything
Sat May 2, 2020, 02:36 PM
May 2020

sometimes all it takes is an email server or a Dean Scream.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,972 posts)
9. They are doing some serious drugs if they think Bernie Sanders will get the nomination by default
Sun May 3, 2020, 12:31 AM
May 2020

I told Briahna Joy Gray as much the other day

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
5. I am glad that this is being dealt with now, instead of closer to the election
Sat May 2, 2020, 04:19 PM
May 2020

I read Joe's statement and it seemed open and transparent and unequivocal that he denies it happening without attacking or tearing Reade. It's the kind of statement an innocent and professional person would make, unlike somebody like Trump. Moreso, the kind of act he is alleged to have committed just doesn't seem like him (TBH it sounds way more like something Trump would do to somebody). I don't know Joe Biden personally, but the behavior just seems so extraordinary or extreme. Sure, there are people in the world who have done some downright awful things but Biden has been in the public for so many years and the idea that something this gutwrenchingly awful would happen and not get out into the public until 27 years afterwards and following 1 or 2 Presidential runs since then, as well as 2 successful Vice-Presidential runs just is really hard to process.

Cha

(297,205 posts)
7. The people pushing Ms. Reade's allegation are all invested in seeing Vice President Biden losing.
Sat May 2, 2020, 11:35 PM
May 2020

Bottom line.

..there are two major problems here. The first is that these types of complaints would not have been forwarded to the person alleged to have committed the harassment or assault. They would have been kept with the Senate personnel office to protect Ms. Reade as the person making the allegation.

So there will not be anything in Vice President Biden’s senatorial archive to find. And this leads to the second problem, which we can see in this screen grab of a now deleted tweet from Katie Halper from this morning:

Katie Halper is gaslighting troll.



I tweeted her this..


One final example: Ms. Reade’s formal complaint filed with the Washington DC Metropolitan Police Department. The DC Metropolitan Police Department has moved the case to inactive status and closed their investigation after a little more than two weeks. This has been taken by Ms. Reade’s supporters that The DC police are trying to cover up for Vice President Biden. Which followed on them pointing to her filing the formal complaint as evidence that her allegation against Vice President Biden meant that the assault actually happened in 1993. The reality is much simpler, Ms. Reade refused to name Vice President Biden in her complaint. By not doing so, the Metropolitan Police had little choice but to quickly complete their process and inactivate the investigation. But filing the formal complaint was itself an attempt to abuse the process. Filing the complaint was never intended to achieve some form of justice after all these years, but to abuse the process to harm Vice President Biden’s electoral chances. Filing a false police report is itself a crime. By not naming Vice President Biden in her complaint, Ms. Reade cannot be accused of, nor charged with filing a false police report against him if it turns out she is making the allegation up because he is not actually named in the report The report was a means to and end, but that end wasn’t for Ms. Reade to get justice, it was to get all the major newspapers and the broadcast and cable networks to report that a formal criminal complaint alleging sexual assault and rape had been filed against Vice President Biden. The reality is that such a complaint was not filed against Vice President Biden. It was filed against “Subject"

Thank you, Galraedia

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,972 posts)
10. They want the Democratic party destroyed
Sun May 3, 2020, 12:34 AM
May 2020

And think their merry band of Socialists will take its place. Not going to happen.

dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
11. I think they also want to destroy Metoo and anyone who supported it
Sun May 3, 2020, 12:39 AM
May 2020

They want to make them seem hypocritical and ineffective when it comes to defending women. I hope these reactionary opportunists causing division and hate will end up in hell for this.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
13. I don't think that...they are using it to attack Democrats...they will be sad if it goes away but it
Sun May 3, 2020, 12:43 AM
May 2020

will if politically motivated women keep this up...it is 'they' who are destroying Me Too.

videohead5

(2,172 posts)
15. This did not age well
Sun May 3, 2020, 12:55 AM
May 2020

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm just gonna say it. If I didn't respect Dr. Jill "jilly" Biden so much, I would totally have sex with Joe Biden. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vpdebate?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vpdebate</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/fb?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#fb</a></p>— Katie Halper (@kthalps) <a href="


?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2012</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
16. Its twofold in reality
Sun May 3, 2020, 07:33 AM
May 2020

1 : Destroy Bidens credibility and huge lead with women and so Biden cannot use the women's allegations about Trump.
After all the hardest accusation to debunk is sexual harrassment. It sticks, it lingers, leaves an air of suspicion. That is the game here.
They will keep trying, no matter how debunked and false the accusation is proven, they know just even the accusation leaves a mark, so they will keep on throwing false ones at him, count on it.

2 : Try and force Sanders into his place.

Neither are going to work.

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