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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:13 PM May 2020

The Info War Over Chloroquine Has Slowed Covid-19 Science

ON MARCH 9, members of a team of infectious disease researchers based at the University of Minnesota found themselves with four free days. An HIV conference they were supposed to attend had been called off on account of the global pandemic, which gave the group an unusual moment of breathing space. “This was right when community spread was beginning to happen, and we realized it was going to be a problem,” says David Boulware, a physician and leader of the group. “We wanted to focus on prevention and early treatment. At the time, no one was really doing that.”

Even then, research interest was circling around the decades-old antimalarial drugs chloroquine and its cousin, hydroxychloroquine. Silicon Valley hadn’t yet turned its disrupt-o-vision on the drugs, but they killed the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the lab, and a small, preliminary study in China seemed to suggest they worked in actual people too. Because physicians were already allowed to prescribe the drugs—for malaria and immune disorders like rheumatoid arthritis and lupus—they were starting to use it, Hail Mary–style, on Covid-19 patients in the hospital. It was, in short, worth a look. But not, in Boulware’s mind, for people so sick they were already hospitalized. “Late-stage severe disease, there’s a lot of things going on with the virus and the immune system. We realized six weeks ago hydroxychloroquine probably didn’t work then,” he says. But what about if it was prescribed early, to prevent people from getting the disease, or from getting very sick if they did?

The team put together a plan for a double-blind, randomized, controlled trial—hydroxychloroquine versus a placebo. The US Food and Drug Administration gave them an Investigational New Drug approval to use the stuff in this new way. Just eight days after coming up with the idea, Boulware and his team enrolled the first subject into the trial, which is asking if the drug can help people in the early stages of Covid-19 infection and protect at-risk people such as health care workers and people taking care of infected family members.

And then things got more complicated. The day before that first subject signed up, on March 16, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk tweeted about the drug, sparking interest among the crowd that wants to extend its life with metformin and blood from young people. Three days later, President Donald Trump said during a Covid-19 press briefing that he thought the drugs “could be something very, very incredible,” sparking a run on pharmacies. Whether someone believed the drugs worked against Covid-19 came to be a symbol of how they felt about the president. And all that happened without any real, solid scientific results.

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The Info War Over Chloroquine Has Slowed Covid-19 Science (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 OP
"Whether someone believed the drugs worked against Covid-19 came to be a symbol of how they felt Takket May 2020 #1
It would have been checked out. Igel May 2020 #2

Takket

(21,560 posts)
1. "Whether someone believed the drugs worked against Covid-19 came to be a symbol of how they felt
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:39 PM
May 2020

about the president."

perfectly said.............. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes him so incredibly dangerous. thank goodness science proceeded but how much time was wasted? i agree it should have gone to trial, but how many trials were run where other meds could have been tried first?

Igel

(35,300 posts)
2. It would have been checked out.
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM
May 2020

Like a lot of other things. There are dozens of therapies being tested--and most of them will be "wastes of time" and will have "slowed COVID science" except for the right one.

Now, if somebody from 2025 could kindly tell us which is the one that'll work, it would save a lot of effort.

Anybody?

No?

Then maybe all the wastes of times will turn up nothing of any use. Maybe they'll find a therapy that delays things--like remdesivir is supposed to, but something that can be produced for 200 million people instead of a million (maybe) by the end of the year. Or something better.

Discussion is still based on Trump and not on science, sadly.

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