This is my last (lol maybe) post on Tara Reade (my truth, the real truth and nothing but the truth)

[Drunken Irishman]

Tara Reade's story is inconsistent and full of holes. It's also one that keeps evolving.

I am going to break down this entire story and why Reade's credibility should be questioned.

In 2019, Tara Reade wrote an article accusing Biden of inappropriate touching and overall harassment in his office that eventually led to her being dismissed due to refusing to serve drinks at an event. Tara's story was originally part of an expose released as Biden entered the race about his inappropriate touching.

It's important to point out that every single person who accused Biden of the inappropriate touching, did not accuse him of sexual assault or anything sexually inappropriate - Tara Reade included. This forced Biden to apologize.

Tara's initial article has merit. I am not going to question whether she felt uncomfortable or not with Biden, and whether his touching was deemed as inappropriate. I see no reason to pick apart that original story. So, I won't. I will take Tara at her word, even though we will find that her word changes.

Back in March, Tara said her mom called into Larry King and mentioned her current claim - that she was assaulted and then fired when she spoke up. This was a damning revelation that could add credence to her claims, especially since she said it happened around the time of the event.

Sure enough, a video was released from 1993 that fits the initial description of Tara's mother. The problem is that, in her phone call to King, the caller does not state anything about sexual assault or her being fired for it. She does reference harassment and not wanting to report it out of respect for the senator she was serving.

This contradicts Tara's initial claim. Now, you could reason her memory was a bit faulty from something that happened nearly 30 years ago. I could agree with that. But I think that interview revealed more about Tara's story than what she wanted people to know.

You see, the phone call by Tara's mom into Larry King actually corroborates Tara's story - the story she said in 2019.

Now fast-forward to 2020. Tara Reade has given her story to Katie Harper and it's now blowing up all over the internet. Doing their own due diligence, the media rightfully look to verify the claims in her story. Now, right off the bat, they can't verify her mother, since her mother has passed. But they can verify her brother.

This is where it gets more curious.

Tara Reade's brother initially spoke to the Washington Post. During the interview, he mentions Tara telling him back in 1993 that Biden had behaved inappropriately by touching her neck and shoulders. At the time of this interview, the sexual assault is not mentioned.

He then tells ABC, in a separate interview, that Tara told him she was experiencing "harassment at work" but he didn't indicate whether it was sexual or not. He did not mention that she claimed Biden sexually assaulted her.

Days after the Washington Post interview posted, Reade's brother got in contact with them and clarified that Reade had also told him about the sexual assault. It was around this time that he also clarified with the ABC interviewer that Reade had told him back then about the sexual assault.




A few days ago, another person came forward to corroborate Tara's story. This time, a neighbor who said, in 1995 or 1996, Tara told her about this story. On its face, this seems pretty damning. It's the first indication of a person not related to Tara claiming she was told about the assault in the 90s.

But then we found out:

This person still supports Biden and has no plan on changing that - even claiming he's a good man.

This person admits to not really speaking to Tara for years. The two reconnected in 2016 but did not speak out about the assault until Tara brought it up recently and asked her if she remembered it:



Another Reade associate, Lorraine Sanchez, who worked with Reade in the past, mentioned Reade telling her she had been mistreated, sexually harassed by her former boss, but said nothing about sexual assault.

I bring these stories up because I believe they paint a picture of what really happened:

Every single one of these stories, minus just one (and I'll get to that) corroborate Reade's original story - that Biden inappropriately, but not sexually, touched her (and didn't assault her).

Reade's brother remembered her talking about the touching and the harassment in the office, as he stated in his initial remarks - but no reference to actual assault (until he had to change his story).

Reade's mother's phone call into Larry King mentions 'problems' she was having in the office - but no reference to actual assault.

Lorraine Sanchez, Reade's former coworker, remembers her mentioning she had been sexually harassed - but no reference to actual assault.

The only reference to assault by someone who wasn't Tara Reade, or someone related to Reade who was clarifying their initial statement where they did not mention assault at all, is Lynda LaCasse. The neighbor.

But I posted something I thought was interesting when going over her story. LaCasse mentioned Reade was the one who asked her if she recalled the assault. This is important because this is a way to lead someone into thinking a specific way.

It's like taking a flashcard with a cow on it, showing it to someone for a brief second, if that, and then, a day later, asking if they recall that it was a dog they were being shown. I would wager you'd find a lot of people saying yes.

Now, let's say that, in 1995, Reade and her had a conversation about Biden. Maybe she said the same thing she told her mother and brother - Biden used to touch me on the neck and shoulders and it made me feel uncomfortable. After all these years later, I'm sure LaCasse hadn't thought of that conversation since it probably happened. And now you have Reade, someone you don't really talk to anymore, asking if you recall that one time she told the story about Biden doing this and that.

Here you're LaCasse in this scenario. You hear Reade mention this and you go back into your brain and you vaguely recall a story she said about Biden...and that becomes your new memory.

Now I can't say for sure that's what happened. It's possible LaCasse is lying and helping her friend. But regardless, the inconsistencies with Tara's other stories, and corroborators, casts doubt into LaCasse's story by default.

So, what does this all mean?

You want to know what I think? I think 2019's story is what Tara has been telling everyone since the 90s. But when it didn't prove as damning in 2019 as she maybe expected, Reade tacked on the assault story. It's why her brother mixed up what the story was (twice), and didn't mention the assault. It's why Tara's initial claim about her mother calling into Larry and mentioning her assault, and her being fired for it, didn't actually match the video (as Tara's mother only mentioned troubles she was having) and why Lorraine Sanchez stated she was never told of the assault by Reade but only harassment.

Now, as I said initially, I am not going to refute Reade's initial 2019 story. But her added assault story should be disputed just on what I outlined above. And that doesn't even go into the inconsistencies of her other claims - like why she left Biden's office, her support of Russia and her pro-Biden tweets in 2017.

But on this alone, it adds up.

Tara had a story to tell. She told it in 2019 and people didn't feel it was worthy of the reaction she had hoped.

So, she added more to it and in the process received the damning revelation she had hoped with her initial story.

[LizBeth]

1. I am bookmarking all these post for when I have to argue the right and Bros.

[Me.]

2. And Didn't She Lift The Description Of The Assault

From her father's novel, where such a scene is spelled out

[Drunken Irishman]

11. Yes. There's a similar story in his book.

[qazplm135]

21. eh I don't know about that one

IF she lifted it, I'm more prone to believe she lifted it from the Trump encounter with E. Jean Carroll because that encounter matches up almost exactly with what she describes with Biden in quite frankly better and greater detail than that scene.

I would be interested in knowing the timeline of when that encounter became widely known and when she made her claim.

[Me.]

24. Biden Accuser Reade's Allegations Match Scene from Dead Father's Novel.

“Yes, that’s right. In just another twist from the You-Can’t-Make-This-Sh*t-Up, 2020 Edition, late last night it was discovered that Tara Reade’s late father, Robert Moulton, wrote a novel in 2010 1998. Moulton’s obituary can be found here:

The novel, ‘Loss’, listed on Amazon and Google Books contains a scene, which bears uncanny similarity to her allegation against Joe Biden:”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/30/1941523/-Biden-Accuser-Reade-s-Allegations-Match-Scene-from-Dead-Father-s-Novel

The NYTimes said it was pulled from a novel she was writing

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

And there's a thread on DU somewhere about the father's novel and the similiarity as well as other google matches

[qazplm135]

25. Like i said

I don't think it as exactly matches as other's do, and I think it actually more closely matches the accusations against Trump by E. Jean Carroll. That one is basically identical, and it would fit what "someone" would do if they were trying to counter to Trump's allegations.

Regardless, being pushed against a wall and fingered is not exactly an unusual way to sexually assault someone.

It's as likely she made it up on her own as pulled it from anywhere.

[Me.]

31. Wherever She Got It

I believe it to be false...though I disagree of it being lifted from E. Jean. That just doesn't strike me as so.

[DURHAM D]

3. Maybe you should factor this in -

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213376246

[qazplm135]

4. I mean given what we know, I'm pretty sure I don't believe her original story anymore either

I believe the others. Joe had a small issue, he copped to it and apologized. Over and done with.

But she's lied so much, and there does not appear to be anything solid even to her original claim now, that I question that one too, as it applies to her.

I'd be curious to know when in the timeline her claim came up compared to the other women who said Joe was a little handsy.
Was it one of the last ones? Was she glomming on even then? Then when it didn't blow up like she wanted, she had to up the ante?

[Drunken Irishman]

7. I agree that the fact she's likely lying right now suggests she likely has lied this entire time.

But that's not the battle I'm going to have right now.

[qazplm135]

19. first rule of any witness

the moment you lie about one thing, everything is open to be questioned. When you lie about multiple things, no one is going to buy anything you say.

That's true in court, and it's doubly true in the court of public opinion.

But, I get why he's not having that fight. What's fair, and what's smart are often two different things.

[Demsrule86]

13. I think she was inspired by Flores.

[The Magistrate]

5. None Of Her 'Witnesses' would Last Five Minutes Under Cross-Examination, Sir

The kindest interpretation to put on this is that over the years she embroidered and enhanced her memories, to make herself and her life more dramatic and consequential than actually it is. Everyone does this to some degree. Memory is not a fixed item like a video tape, it is a narrative one retells to oneself each time a matter is recalled, and can wander accordingly rather like the old 'telephone' game. A person who has gone by multiple names, given contradicting accounts of herself on almost every feature of her life, been required by circumstances, mostly self-inflicted, to reinvent herself several times, may justly be considered even more prone to narrative distortion in recalling past events than the general run of humanity.

And that is, as I say, merely the kindest interpretation. I do not feel bound to uphold it, merely from having stated it, and consider worse ones to be much more likely....

[Drunken Irishman]

8. The inconsistencies of her brother's claims alone would sink any prosecution's case.

It's so bad it's good almost.

[babylonsister]

14. You're way too kind.

That's not a bad thing.

[The Magistrate]

17. You May Be Sure, Ma'am, The Kindest Possible Construction

Is not the one I consider to be the truth. I am quite convinced she is deliberately lying, in search of fame and fortune, to which end she has turned the sort of manipulative skills many mythomaniacs are gifted with, and which remaining family and old acquaintances are not well equipped to resist.

I have encountered a number of such people, in my adventurous youth, from a fellow who assured me not only was he descended from Hungarian nobility but that he had been promoted from the ranks to be the youngest platoon leader in Vietnam, to a woman who assured me she had been on the Olympic weightlifting team, and that she used to frequent a lesbian bar where men who ventured in were regularly castrated in the alley back of the place. All such have managed a perfectly frank and convincing affect while telling their tales. One of the tells, which is evident with Reade, is that when questioned, the response is always some further elaboration, never acknowledgement of the questioner's doubt and an attempt to put it at rest. Instead, there is always the leap forward into a new detail, a new facet not yet exposed, which simply leaves the first behind as if it were settled and agreed upon.

[babylonsister]

23. Hahaha!

to a woman who assured me she had been on the Olympic weightlifting team, and that she used to frequent a lesbian bar where men who ventured in were regularly castrated in the alley back of the place. All such have managed a perfectly frank and convincing affect while telling their tales.

I can't help it!

And thanks for this and yes, I had to look it up.

mythomania
[ mith-uh-mey-nee-uh ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR mythomania ON THESAURUS.COM
noun Psychiatry.
lying or exaggerating to an abnormal degree.

[Demsrule86]

6. I am trashing these posts...but I will comment on this...Reade said 'out of respect for the

Senator she worked for' That sounds like if sexual harassment happened at all and I doubt it...someone other than Biden was involved. And a friend of Tara's has come forward and said Tara left because she moved with her husband when he got a new job...they may not have been married then...the story is unraveling and Tara looks bad really bad. I doubt Joe has anything to do with her and she copied Flores if you asked me...she seeks attention and money if you ask me. Often when a person is fired they will blame the person doing the firing and make up all sorts of bullshit. I should know...as a young person I was often late for work and lost several jobs. I blamed my bosses and told anyone who would listen that the bosses were very unfair-sob sob...but you know what? I was lying. I was late constantly and that is why I was fired. I don't believe anything Tara Reade said at anytime. I think she is a grifter and in the tank for Sanders...also loves Putin it seems.

[Drunken Irishman]

9. Trash it but read it. I feel I laid out a strong case on why she's lying.

[Demsrule86]

12. I read it and I think you did fine...I meant other posts...not yours...sick of them.

There is new information too...a friend who disputes Reade's account of why she she left, a book her Dad wrote that pretty much describes her accusation against Biden...the latest one...other stuff too. But she started about the same time as Flores...trying to impress Sanders I think. I don't believe any of her story myself.

[doc03]

10. I saw a post here on DU a few days ago saying Tara Reede has also

accused 5 or 6 other men over the years. I also saw another post saying her father described an almost identical assault
in a novel he wrote. There was also another post that she had claimed her boy friend assaulted her that way back when she worked for Biden. I don't know what to believe. There are sure a lot of different stories floating around.

[FM123]

15. While we look at Reade and her behavior, we should also be looking a little closer at Biden and his

While victims do not always behave in predictable ways after an assault, predators that are rich and powerful usually do: they attack the accuser by calling them liars and demean and belittle them, they lawyer up, they bully and threaten with lawsuits, they throw hush money at them to shut them up etc. but I don't recall Biden doing any of these things. I do recall, however, sex offenders Trump, Epstein, Weinstein and Cosby doing exactly these things....

[The Magistrate]

18. To Be Perfectly Blunt, Ma'am, That Is High-Test Bullshit

The activities of all the creatures you name were open secrets in the circles in which they moved. Trump openly boasted about what he did, Epstein was known to have hot and cold running pretty young things about his place at all times, there wasn't one actress in a hundred didn't know what Weinstein got up to, and stories about Cosby's dates were circulating for years before someone stood up and called him out. When this sort of thing is done, it is done often and even more important, everyone around the situation knows it is going on. That these malefactors, when being brought to book, mimic what honest people do when falsely accused does not discredit people who, being falsely accused, protest their innocence, point out their accusers are telling lies, and hire if they can afford to attorneys to make the person who telling lies rue the day they decided to do it.

[FM123]

27. I may not have worded it in a way that was clear, but I believe we are saying similar things.

Yes, these rich and powerful predators mimic what they believe honest people do when they are falsely accused and these same behaviors (even the ugly ones) will not discredit folks who are truly innocent. My point was that Biden's response to his accuser was something to be noticed - no matter what Reade said, he refused to attack her and defended her right to say it. His behavior in this matter deserves a second look and much respect, it is hard to hide human decency like his.

[The Magistrate]

28. Apparently I Misunderstood You, Ma'am

Please accept my apology.

I agree completely.

[FM123]

30. No apologies, necesary...

[ecstatic]

16. #IBelieveJoeBiden nt

[dalton99a]

20. Kick

[UTUSN]

22. K&R

[TexasTowelie]

26. I'll take this opportunity to correct the typo in your OP.

Tara had a story to sell.

[DeterDeter]

29. In the Larry King video

the woman on the phone does NOT even reference harassment. The woman said that her daughter "could not get through with her problems at all" without going to the press (and I read that the episode itself was not about harassment, but about toxic Washington DC culture/after the Vince Foster suicide). Like you, I am willing to give her a benefit of the doubt on the first story, even though she doesn't deserve it. LaCasse just did an interview with Democracy Now and I found it bizarre that she was grinning the whole time-that is not to say she is lying of course. It just seems a little bit bizarre. It does match with her previously saying that she didn't know this was such a "big thing"-strange.