Sat May 2, 2020, 07:17 AM
kentuck (100,866 posts)
If vaccine for the virus is developed in the next two or three months, will you take it?
Or will you take your chances out there in the wild world?
If they rush it, there will most likely not be adequate testing? They will not fully understand the side effects? And it may be similar to a placebo, just to ease the mind of the public? Personally, it will be hard for me to trust anything coming from this Administration. They have torn down whatever trust was there.
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kentuck | May 2020 | OP |
Raven | May 2020 | #1 | |
2naSalit | May 2020 | #41 | |
MH1 | May 2020 | #42 | |
tblue37 | May 2020 | #48 | |
spanone | May 2020 | #2 | |
a la izquierda | May 2020 | #3 | |
tavernier | May 2020 | #17 | |
tblue37 | May 2020 | #49 | |
Vogon_Glory | May 2020 | #25 | |
get the red out | May 2020 | #27 | |
Squinch | May 2020 | #4 | |
at140 | May 2020 | #5 | |
Voltaire2 | May 2020 | #53 | |
at140 | May 2020 | #54 | |
Xipe Totec | May 2020 | #6 | |
Generic Brad | May 2020 | #7 | |
The Magistrate | May 2020 | #8 | |
Raven | May 2020 | #9 | |
The Magistrate | May 2020 | #13 | |
Raven | May 2020 | #23 | |
Yonnie3 | May 2020 | #10 | |
Chainfire | May 2020 | #11 | |
GoCubsGo | May 2020 | #12 | |
lark | May 2020 | #26 | |
hlthe2b | May 2020 | #14 | |
riversedge | May 2020 | #20 | |
hlthe2b | May 2020 | #22 | |
Maeve | May 2020 | #15 | |
Mike 03 | May 2020 | #16 | |
Aristus | May 2020 | #18 | |
beachbumbob | May 2020 | #19 | |
In_The_Wind | May 2020 | #21 | |
MoonRiver | May 2020 | #24 | |
duforsure | May 2020 | #28 | |
Sunsky | May 2020 | #29 | |
uponit7771 | May 2020 | #30 | |
COLGATE4 | May 2020 | #43 | |
Mariana | May 2020 | #31 | |
kentuck | May 2020 | #32 | |
Name removed | May 2020 | #33 | |
yardwork | May 2020 | #34 | |
kentuck | May 2020 | #46 | |
yardwork | May 2020 | #52 | |
Wounded Bear | May 2020 | #35 | |
Fiendish Thingy | May 2020 | #36 | |
roamer65 | May 2020 | #55 | |
sinkingfeeling | May 2020 | #37 | |
Alex4Martinez | May 2020 | #38 | |
boston bean | May 2020 | #39 | |
LeftInTX | May 2020 | #40 | |
totodeinhere | May 2020 | #44 | |
Maru Kitteh | May 2020 | #45 | |
Marrah_Goodman | May 2020 | #47 | |
Steelrolled | May 2020 | #50 | |
Raine | May 2020 | #51 | |
roamer65 | May 2020 | #56 | |
Skittles | May 2020 | #57 | |
KWR65 | May 2020 | #58 |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:19 AM
Raven (12,998 posts)
1. No. I will continue to self isolate until we see how many human guinea pigs
die for Trump's quest for a "Noble" Prize in Medicine.
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Response to Raven (Reply #1)
Sat May 2, 2020, 09:17 AM
MH1 (17,059 posts)
42. That's my plan, and I recognize my privilege
in having a very strong expectation that I'll be able to do that.
My heart aches for the people and families who will suffer if a botched "vaccine" is pushed on them and they don't have the privilege to escape it. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:21 AM
spanone (125,506 posts)
2. trump said he was in charge of the vaccine....no thanks
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:21 AM
a la izquierda (11,086 posts)
3. Depends where it comes from.
The Oxford team’s work seems promising. I would get vaccinated if it was with that one.
This is the DU member formerly known as a la izquierda.
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Response to a la izquierda (Reply #3)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:45 AM
tavernier (9,150 posts)
17. Yes I would definitely take that one
because it’s been given to humans over the years for a different virus, and has so far been shown to be effective for COVID-19. Either way since it has been given before and is not harmful to humans, I don’t see why not take it in lieu of other protection that has had the benefit of longer testing.
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Response to tavernier (Reply #17)
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:03 PM
tblue37 (45,902 posts)
49. Yes, that one. nt
Response to a la izquierda (Reply #3)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:04 AM
Vogon_Glory (7,870 posts)
25. I agree. With this Administration in place
I wouldn’t trust anything this administration touts as a cure or a preventative.
If the Oxford team comes out with something, I’d be willing to get vaccinated, but at this point I’d want to get my shot from a reputable Canadian lab. |
Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #25)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:20 AM
get the red out (13,424 posts)
27. Amen
If is developed in a democracy with actual healthcare I would trust it.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:22 AM
Squinch (35,624 posts)
4. Not a chance.
I'll take it in it's second or third generation.
I'll let others be used as test subjects. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:25 AM
at140 (5,436 posts)
5. NO! I can save my life by not driving on roads!
40,000 Americans die every year (average of past 25 years) and hundred thousand are severely injured.
We should reduce speed limit on roads down to 10 MPH to save thousands of lives YEAR AFTER YEAR. |
Response to at140 (Reply #5)
Sun May 3, 2020, 06:36 AM
Voltaire2 (8,937 posts)
53. So you think social restrictions to control
the spread of this virus are ridiculous?
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #53)
Sun May 3, 2020, 04:24 PM
at140 (5,436 posts)
54. No, but my life is safer by not driving my car
why do I say that? Because my crowded cruise ended on Feb 29th. Almost all crew was either Chinese, Indonesian, or from Thailand.
We never missed the packed stage show in theater every evening. And ate at the crowded buffet every lunch time and dinner in the dining room on a table for 8. Upon return from cruise I have shopped at grocery stores every week. And stopped at the bank and filled my gas tank couple of times. Filling gas is the dirtiest place in town because a 100 strangers have touched the gas dispenser handle. And every 3 weeks I accompany my wife to the hospital for her chemo to sit in with her cancer doctor appointment. And I pick up food from restaurants since both of us hate cooking. So what I am 80 years old, I practice meticulously washing hands with soap before touching any of the 9 body openings. No symptoms, no cough, no fever, still healthy as a horse. But I get side swiped every week on average driving my diminutive Chevy Spark car. Now that is more risky in my life than visiting stores or enjoying a Caribbean cruise, going by actual experience. Social distancing is a good practice because no one has the iron discipline which I have about washing hands before touching vulnerable parts of body. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:26 AM
Xipe Totec (43,018 posts)
6. I won't be the first in line, but yes.
I'll wait a month after they start administering it.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:27 AM
Generic Brad (13,039 posts)
7. I have no trust in anything Trump promotes
I prefer to wait for the one made available by the Biden administration.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:27 AM
The Magistrate (90,434 posts)
8. I Would Follow My Doctor's Advice, Sir
I trust the man's judgement and knowledge.
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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #8)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:32 AM
Raven (12,998 posts)
9. I would too and she would tells me that if
Trump has anything to do with a vaccine, wait.
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Response to Raven (Reply #9)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:37 AM
The Magistrate (90,434 posts)
13. I Expect His Advice , Ma'am
Would be based on the peer-reviewed science behind any serum that became available.
He was spitting tacks about the inadequacy and fecklessness of the regime's response to the early stages of the contagion when last I saw him. |
Response to The Magistrate (Reply #13)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:01 AM
Raven (12,998 posts)
23. Hers would be too. She'll take a good look at who is
heading up the peer review. Fact is, nothing good will come out of Trump's involvement in the development of a vaccine, nothing. Birx has already sold her soul, Fauci is still standing but no way to know for how long. I would be taking a very close look at the peer reviewers to see what they or their institutions stand to lose, or gain, for a positive review of Trump's vaccine.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:32 AM
Yonnie3 (10,564 posts)
10. I may accept a vaccinaton
perhaps waiting a few months first to see if it is dangerous.
I will continue social distancing, mask wearing and isolation behavior as much as possible until there is a much larger data set on its actual performance. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:33 AM
Chainfire (5,198 posts)
11. My wife and I have discussed this
and no, we don't trust this government to do the right thing. I will look forward to getting the vaccine after it has been used for nine months or so with positive results, and few side effects.
What our present government is willing to do is do the final testing of the vaccine with the general population as the test subjects while they sit back with fingers crossed. It is the same kind of thing Boeing did with their 737 wide body. What my fear is is that one side effect from an untested vaccine may be growing a new head in your colon, and I could not stand being converted to a Republican. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:36 AM
GoCubsGo (26,021 posts)
12. Nope.
I'll wait and see for several months. After that, if there's evidence that it is safe and effective, then yes. I'll take it. But, I'm not going to hold my breath about the "safe and effective" part. Like you, I don't trust those motherfuckers one bit.
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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #12)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:07 AM
lark (17,570 posts)
26. That's my plan as well.
If it's developed in the USA, I will have doubts and will wait at least 60 days to make sure it's not a zombie killer version. Yes, I have read and watched too many apocalyptic books/movies where the world is killed by a new vaccine/cancer drug/AIDS treatment plus I know that drumpf is killing us for personal/political profit. If it's an Oxford developed vaccine, I would trust that more, maybe only wait 5-6 weeks vs. a full 90 days?
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:38 AM
hlthe2b (84,065 posts)
14. I have relevent background to research the method/technique used to produce...
There are a lot of new methodologies and I think there more questions for some than others. I will research the methods, the track record of the producer and developer, whether any applicable animal studies were conducted (preferably in primates), and the reaction of European and WHO researchers in addition to the wide range of US virologists and vaccine experts. They will be discussing it publicly and even more frankly on select message boards/forums.
It is a given that the first to receive it after the trials will be health care and public health workers and first responders. The general public will thus have the benefit of their experience in addition to phase2/3 clinical trials. So those who are angry that they can't get said vaccine when it is first introduced might realize that they are actually benefiting from the delay. |
Response to hlthe2b (Reply #14)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:55 AM
riversedge (60,048 posts)
20. Thanks. I hope you will share your analysis with us.
Response to riversedge (Reply #20)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:59 AM
hlthe2b (84,065 posts)
22. I will but these kinds of forums are challenging for users to delineate the validity of comments.
Everyone has an opinion after all.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:38 AM
Maeve (40,425 posts)
15. Not this soon
I don't fancy being a test subject for this
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:45 AM
Mike 03 (16,378 posts)
16. I'd prefer to wait about six months. I'll continue to shelter in place.
Just to err on the side of caution.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:50 AM
Aristus (54,320 posts)
18. Only if it's proven safe and effective.
I have a hard enough time getting patients to get their vaccines even though they're safe and effective.
If they try to rush through a problematic immunization, all my hard work getting people to trust vaccines will be for nothing. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:52 AM
beachbumbob (9,263 posts)
19. its debatable for sure if NOT proven
I have a hard time thinking CDC, FDA or any health official would want to mislead the US. Trump I expect him to but he has no morals to speak off.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 07:59 AM
In_The_Wind (72,013 posts)
21. Last year I told my doctor that I'm not a guinea pig.
I'll wait until its been tested.
I've adjusted to wearing a mask and one way shopping in grocery stores. ![]() ![]() |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:04 AM
MoonRiver (35,031 posts)
24. When and if my doctor recommends it, I probably would.
But I doubt he would approve a vaccine that was fast tracked, without adequate clinical trials.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:24 AM
duforsure (10,921 posts)
28. No way!
I don't trust anything that's done while trumps in office, which shouldn't be long now. Once replaced with JB , probably.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:29 AM
Sunsky (1,503 posts)
29. No
I won't be their test subjects. Things are be rushed, protocols pushed aside to satisfy the no-clothes emperor. I'll wait and see if there are any issues, then take it. Trump has corrupted all institutions he deals with. As a healthcare worker, I'm shocked with the CDC's response to the coronavirus (from botched testing to unsound/ unsafe PPE guidelines/ no public masks- public should wear masks). It's hard when you can't trust these governing bodies that are supposed to give fact-driven/ evidence-based guidelines. After we vote Trump out of the Whitehouse, we need inquiries into the failure of the CDC, FDA, HHS etc in the coronavirus response. This should not happen again, no matter who is in power.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:37 AM
uponit7771 (74,532 posts)
30. No, even Fauci is refusing to testify in front of the house. NOTHING can be trusted from the Trump
... admin
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #30)
Sat May 2, 2020, 09:34 AM
COLGATE4 (14,514 posts)
43. Fauci isn't "refusing to testify in front of the House"
He is being prohibited from doing so by Trump.
This is the DU member formerly known as COLGATE4.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:42 AM
Mariana (12,436 posts)
31. If you take a vaccine in the next two or three months, you ARE the testing.
You ARE the guinea pig. Just saying.
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Response to Mariana (Reply #31)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:43 AM
kentuck (100,866 posts)
32. Sort of like the protestors that were encouraged to get out there and win one for the Gipper...?
They were nothing but guinea pigs.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:48 AM
yardwork (52,376 posts)
34. I think you're confusing the "they" with the federal government.
The scientists who are working on vaccine development - at research universities, industry, and yes, federal agencies - have dedicated their careers to using science to save lives.
What politicians do, that's a separate issue. I will certainly get a vaccine when/if it becomes available. |
Response to yardwork (Reply #34)
Sat May 2, 2020, 11:56 AM
kentuck (100,866 posts)
46. Can they be politically manipulated by this Administration?
Yeah, I think so.
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Response to kentuck (Reply #46)
Sat May 2, 2020, 02:08 PM
yardwork (52,376 posts)
52. I doubt it. Sure, there might be a few, but most scientists are pretty focused on their work.
Now, what the Trump administration might do with their work, that I don't trust at all.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:49 AM
Wounded Bear (43,095 posts)
35. Tough question. I'll probably wait...
hell, I don't even buy new software or hardware. I'm not a beta tester.
![]() I get my flu shots from the VA, for free. I'll probably wait until they start offering them. Hopefully it'll be safe. But I won't trust much until Trump is safely removed from the reins of gov't. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 08:55 AM
Fiendish Thingy (6,368 posts)
36. I live in Canada - if our minister of health says a vaccine
Has been tested and determined to be safe and effective, and is now available, hell yes, sign me up.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 09:04 AM
sinkingfeeling (43,856 posts)
37. Not until there is a huge number vaccinated without side effects.
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 09:07 AM
Alex4Martinez (1,757 posts)
38. If my state's governor Newsom or our health department recommends it, yes.
But a hard NO if it comes from the white house or a national recommendation associated with the white house.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 09:10 AM
boston bean (33,704 posts)
39. I probably would.
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 09:14 AM
LeftInTX (15,329 posts)
40. Shoot me: I will
But afterward, I would still do the distancing stuff.
I would be most concerned that it wouldn't work as opposed to bad side effects. Since Coronvirus is closely related to the flu etc, I think a vaccine would be safe. Sure there is a possibility that a vaccine could be contaminated, but you take that chance with any vaccination. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 09:37 AM
totodeinhere (11,808 posts)
44. I will try to get the best information I can before deciding whether to take it or not.
If I feel it has been rushed to market without adequate clinical trials then I might postpone taking it. I don't want to take a vaccine that will potentially do more harm than good. However, if I can be convinced of its safety then absolutely I will take it. I always get the flu shot. I am a big believer in safe vaccines.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 09:40 AM
Maru Kitteh (24,234 posts)
45. With proper research, yes. I'm an RN caring for vets. If I believe it reduces my chance of giving it
to my guys and gals, then yes.
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:00 PM
Marrah_Goodman (1,110 posts)
47. absolutely
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:22 PM
Steelrolled (1,394 posts)
50. Many people give Trump way too much power
I ignore him, and am not missing a thing. Governors, researchers, and the medical industry have the power.
Human trials of vaccine started more than a month ago - I don't think Trump had a thing to do with it. I think there will be an open discussion of how much we fast-track a wide-scale vaccine, and Trump will just be a side-line commentator. https://www.npr.org/2020/03/21/818759617/i-wanted-to-do-something-says-mother-of-2-who-is-first-to-test-coronavirus-vacci ![]() |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:31 PM
Raine (25,895 posts)
51. Absolutely NO, I will not be a part of a government experiment! nt
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sun May 3, 2020, 04:31 PM
roamer65 (25,390 posts)
56. The soonest one would be available is sometime next year.
There will be voluntary efficacy trials first. Then administration will be prioritized to high risk persons first, like health care providers and the elderly.
Young people probably won’t get until 2022 or 2023. COVID-45 will be out of office on January 20, 2021. |
Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sun May 3, 2020, 04:32 PM
Skittles (133,624 posts)
57. not while Trump is still playing pretend president
no way
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Response to kentuck (Original post)
Sun May 3, 2020, 04:36 PM
KWR65 (1,081 posts)