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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf vaccine for the virus is developed in the next two or three months, will you take it?
Or will you take your chances out there in the wild world?
If they rush it, there will most likely not be adequate testing? They will not fully understand the side effects?
And it may be similar to a placebo, just to ease the mind of the public?
Personally, it will be hard for me to trust anything coming from this Administration.
They have torn down whatever trust was there.
Raven
(14,075 posts)die for Trump's quest for a "Noble" Prize in Medicine.
MH1
(18,104 posts)in having a very strong expectation that I'll be able to do that.
My heart aches for the people and families who will suffer if a botched "vaccine" is pushed on them and they don't have the privilege to escape it.
spanone
(137,407 posts)a la izquierda
(11,875 posts)The Oxford teams work seems promising. I would get vaccinated if it was with that one.
tavernier
(13,154 posts)because its been given to humans over the years for a different virus, and has so far been shown to be effective for COVID-19. Either way since it has been given before and is not harmful to humans, I dont see why not take it in lieu of other protection that has had the benefit of longer testing.
tblue37
(66,035 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,440 posts)I wouldnt trust anything this administration touts as a cure or a preventative.
If the Oxford team comes out with something, Id be willing to get vaccinated, but at this point Id want to get my shot from a reputable Canadian lab.
get the red out
(13,541 posts)If is developed in a democracy with actual healthcare I would trust it.
Squinch
(52,260 posts)I'll take it in it's second or third generation.
I'll let others be used as test subjects.
at140
(6,117 posts)40,000 Americans die every year (average of past 25 years) and hundred thousand are severely injured.
We should reduce speed limit on roads down to 10 MPH to save thousands of lives YEAR AFTER YEAR.
Voltaire2
(14,596 posts)the spread of this virus are ridiculous?
at140
(6,117 posts)why do I say that? Because my crowded cruise ended on Feb 29th. Almost all crew was either Chinese, Indonesian, or from Thailand.
We never missed the packed stage show in theater every evening. And ate at the crowded buffet every lunch time and dinner in the dining room on a table for 8. Upon return from cruise I have shopped at grocery stores every week. And stopped at the bank and filled my gas tank couple of times. Filling gas is the dirtiest place in town because a 100 strangers have touched the gas dispenser handle. And every 3 weeks I accompany my wife to the hospital for her chemo to sit in with her cancer doctor appointment. And I pick up food from restaurants since both of us hate cooking. So what I am 80 years old, I practice meticulously washing hands with soap before touching any of the 9 body openings. No symptoms, no cough, no fever, still healthy as a horse.
But I get side swiped every week on average driving my diminutive Chevy Spark car. Now that is more risky in my life than visiting stores or enjoying a Caribbean cruise, going by actual experience. Social distancing is a good practice because no one has the iron discipline which I have about washing hands before touching vulnerable parts of body.
Xipe Totec
(44,026 posts)I'll wait a month after they start administering it.
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)I prefer to wait for the one made available by the Biden administration.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I trust the man's judgement and knowledge.
Raven
(14,075 posts)Trump has anything to do with a vaccine, wait.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Would be based on the peer-reviewed science behind any serum that became available.
He was spitting tacks about the inadequacy and fecklessness of the regime's response to the early stages of the contagion when last I saw him.
Raven
(14,075 posts)heading up the peer review. Fact is, nothing good will come out of Trump's involvement in the development of a vaccine, nothing. Birx has already sold her soul, Fauci is still standing but no way to know for how long. I would be taking a very close look at the peer reviewers to see what they or their institutions stand to lose, or gain, for a positive review of Trump's vaccine.
Yonnie3
(18,010 posts)perhaps waiting a few months first to see if it is dangerous.
I will continue social distancing, mask wearing and isolation behavior as much as possible until there is a much larger data set on its actual performance.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)and no, we don't trust this government to do the right thing. I will look forward to getting the vaccine after it has been used for nine months or so with positive results, and few side effects.
What our present government is willing to do is do the final testing of the vaccine with the general population as the test subjects while they sit back with fingers crossed. It is the same kind of thing Boeing did with their 737 wide body.
What my fear is is that one side effect from an untested vaccine may be growing a new head in your colon, and I could not stand being converted to a Republican.
GoCubsGo
(32,847 posts)I'll wait and see for several months. After that, if there's evidence that it is safe and effective, then yes. I'll take it. But, I'm not going to hold my breath about the "safe and effective" part. Like you, I don't trust those motherfuckers one bit.
lark
(23,950 posts)If it's developed in the USA, I will have doubts and will wait at least 60 days to make sure it's not a zombie killer version. Yes, I have read and watched too many apocalyptic books/movies where the world is killed by a new vaccine/cancer drug/AIDS treatment plus I know that drumpf is killing us for personal/political profit. If it's an Oxford developed vaccine, I would trust that more, maybe only wait 5-6 weeks vs. a full 90 days?
hlthe2b
(105,731 posts)There are a lot of new methodologies and I think there more questions for some than others. I will research the methods, the track record of the producer and developer, whether any applicable animal studies were conducted (preferably in primates), and the reaction of European and WHO researchers in addition to the wide range of US virologists and vaccine experts. They will be discussing it publicly and even more frankly on select message boards/forums.
It is a given that the first to receive it after the trials will be health care and public health workers and first responders. The general public will thus have the benefit of their experience in addition to phase2/3 clinical trials. So those who are angry that they can't get said vaccine when it is first introduced might realize that they are actually benefiting from the delay.
riversedge
(72,504 posts)hlthe2b
(105,731 posts)Everyone has an opinion after all.
Maeve
(42,833 posts)I don't fancy being a test subject for this
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Just to err on the side of caution.
Aristus
(67,980 posts)I have a hard enough time getting patients to get their vaccines even though they're safe and effective.
If they try to rush through a problematic immunization, all my hard work getting people to trust vaccines will be for nothing.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)I have a hard time thinking CDC, FDA or any health official would want to mislead the US. Trump I expect him to but he has no morals to speak off.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I'll wait until its been tested.
I've adjusted to wearing a mask and one way shopping in grocery stores.
I wish others would do the same.
MoonRiver
(36,945 posts)But I doubt he would approve a vaccine that was fast tracked, without adequate clinical trials.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)I don't trust anything that's done while trumps in office, which shouldn't be long now. Once replaced with JB , probably.
I won't be their test subjects. Things are be rushed, protocols pushed aside to satisfy the no-clothes emperor. I'll wait and see if there are any issues, then take it. Trump has corrupted all institutions he deals with. As a healthcare worker, I'm shocked with the CDC's response to the coronavirus (from botched testing to unsound/ unsafe PPE guidelines/ no public masks- public should wear masks). It's hard when you can't trust these governing bodies that are supposed to give fact-driven/ evidence-based guidelines. After we vote Trump out of the Whitehouse, we need inquiries into the failure of the CDC, FDA, HHS etc in the coronavirus response. This should not happen again, no matter who is in power.
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)... admin
COLGATE4
(14,791 posts)He is being prohibited from doing so by Trump.
Mariana
(14,936 posts)You ARE the guinea pig. Just saying.
kentuck
(112,491 posts)They were nothing but guinea pigs.
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yardwork
(63,674 posts)The scientists who are working on vaccine development - at research universities, industry, and yes, federal agencies - have dedicated their careers to using science to save lives.
What politicians do, that's a separate issue.
I will certainly get a vaccine when/if it becomes available.
kentuck
(112,491 posts)Yeah, I think so.
yardwork
(63,674 posts)Now, what the Trump administration might do with their work, that I don't trust at all.
Wounded Bear
(60,354 posts)hell, I don't even buy new software or hardware. I'm not a beta tester.
I get my flu shots from the VA, for free. I'll probably wait until they start offering them. Hopefully it'll be safe. But I won't trust much until Trump is safely removed from the reins of gov't.
Fiendish Thingy
(17,832 posts)Has been tested and determined to be safe and effective, and is now available, hell yes, sign me up.
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sinkingfeeling
(52,827 posts)Alex4Martinez
(2,776 posts)But a hard NO if it comes from the white house or a national recommendation associated with the white house.
boston bean
(36,420 posts)LeftInTX
(29,559 posts)But afterward, I would still do the distancing stuff.
I would be most concerned that it wouldn't work as opposed to bad side effects.
Since Coronvirus is closely related to the flu etc, I think a vaccine would be safe. Sure there is a possibility that a vaccine could be contaminated, but you take that chance with any vaccination.
totodeinhere
(13,239 posts)If I feel it has been rushed to market without adequate clinical trials then I might postpone taking it. I don't want to take a vaccine that will potentially do more harm than good. However, if I can be convinced of its safety then absolutely I will take it. I always get the flu shot. I am a big believer in safe vaccines.
Maru Kitteh
(28,895 posts)to my guys and gals, then yes.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)I ignore him, and am not missing a thing. Governors, researchers, and the medical industry have the power.
Human trials of vaccine started more than a month ago - I don't think Trump had a thing to do with it. I think there will be an open discussion of how much we fast-track a wide-scale vaccine, and Trump will just be a side-line commentator.
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/21/818759617/i-wanted-to-do-something-says-mother-of-2-who-is-first-to-test-coronavirus-vacci
Raine
(30,592 posts)roamer65
(36,959 posts)There will be voluntary efficacy trials first. Then administration will be prioritized to high risk persons first, like health care providers and the elderly.
Young people probably wont get until 2022 or 2023.
COVID-45 will be out of office on January 20, 2021.
Skittles
(157,676 posts)no way