Oh the irony of it all

[Chainfire]

As we are approaching the anniversary of the Kent State shootings it is a great irony that the same types of people who cheered the shootings of unarmed teenagers, during a peaceful protest on a college campus, are now standing on the steps of state capitols, getting in the face of police while armed to the teeth while carrying Confederate flags and displaying Nazi slogans. The police aren't reacting because they are the same kind of conservative bastards as the Ohio National Guardsmen were back then.

In 1970, the shooting led to liberals heading into the streets en massse and ended up destroying a crooked presidency and ending an unjust war. Now we are sitting on our asses, whining on liberal forums while while the Nazis thugs are winning. We governed by a cartoon caricature of an evil genius. We are pinning our hopes on a vanilla candidate that we hope doesn't offend too many people.

If you don't think that they are winning, if you don't think that progressives are being pushed aside, you aren't paying attention. Even at this time, we could be getting into our cars and turning out to raise hell with the bastards. Instead we just cower in the corner and cry about it. Sending $50.00 to the DNC and posting on liberal forums does't absolve us or our responsibilities. Our silence in the streets encourages the right wingers, because the see us as snowflakes that can be pushed around. It is a great recruiting tool. If we don't get off of our dead assess, If we are unwilling to fight we will not deserve to win. It is time for pitchforks and torches.

[hlthe2b]

1. This is despicable. So, you are with those on the RW calling us cowards for following

quarantine orders and unless we put our and others lives at risk we deserve to lose?

What is motivating this?

Rather ironic that your post followed immediately aft this one:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213379876

[secondwind]

5. This DUer is a newbie... only two months here. I don't approve of this OP one bit.

[Chainfire]

15. I don't really care if you approve of my post or not.

If you want to challenge what I said, bring it. Otherwise don't stand off and throw rocks.

[Chainfire]

9. You need to read more carefully

My motivation is that I am scared that we are going down the road to German style Fascism and that we are not fighting hard enough.

The two post are not mutually exclusive.

[hlthe2b]

11. Well, then we'll expect video of you doing what you preach and likewise comment as to how

you will protect others in so doing.

[Chainfire]

16. Did you not read the part that said

Get in our cars? I do not believe that the current science suggests that the virus will run down a moving car.

[hlthe2b]

17. I read the part about you calling us cowards for following quarantine orders and not taking on armed

RWers head on.

That plus your derision of our presumptive Presidential candidate came through loud and clear.

[MineralMan]

2. As an example, please provide some information about an action

you have taken in that regard. That would be really helpful for people, who could then follow your example.

[Chainfire]

10. I do not exclude myself from the failure to respond to the looming disaster

Nor have I made a claim to have.

[LakeArenal]

3. Umm.. Not worrying. They are not winning.

If you believe a few hundred nut jobs are winning, you are the snowflake.

WTF silence are you projecting on Democrats?
$50 to Biden speaks louder to GOP than car horns and tit for tat with idiots.

[Chainfire]

13. They won last time

It is ridiculous to believe it can't happen again. Wishing does not make it so.

[LakeArenal]

22. I'm not ridiculous.

It’s time shed the doom and gloom.

Joe Biden is not only the most qualified, he’s on the right side of history. That’s where I am.

Yes I’m confident that Joe will win.

Last time was a cheat. Which in fact, we won the popular vote.

So while you think it’s ridiculous, I think buck up and be a strong Democrat and quit fear mongering.

[Chainfire]

18. Trump only drops a few points in the polls

After creating the worst health disaster in a hundred years and you think that is not in the realm of possibility that he could win in November?

Do you remember what the polls and the betting odds said about the last presidential election right up until the time the polls closed?

[LakeArenal]

23. Well as I have said numerous times...

Polls mean nothing. No one I know has ever been polled, filled in an internet poll or
or participated in a poll.

I think polls push for the answers they want. I think the same people are polled continually.

Yeah Dump loses only a few points.
He only has a few points past his base.

Biden’s base is just as strong and committed. And totally underestimated this whole season.

No it isn’t in the realm-of possibility that dump will be re-elected. He and his minions will be out. IncludingMoscow and Vapors.

[secondwind]

4. Excuse me, but Joe Biden is not a "vanilla candidate".. what the heck does that even mean...

I would take this OP down.

[MineralMan]

6. The original poster doesn't seem interested in discussing

his or her post. Odd, huh?

[Chainfire]

14. If you consider mowing the grass odd, then it is odd.

I am both willing to defend my post and admit my errors. In this case, I will defend any point that is challenged.

[Chainfire]

12. Joe Biden

Is not a John Kennedy, a Bill Clinton or a Barack Obama. While he is certainly my choice for the president he does not have the charisma that would guarantee a victory in November.

[Chainfire]

19. What kind of progressive

wants to shut down a conversation? Do you want me to be just a cheering section? If so, then you need them to ban me from the forum, because I speak will my mind. I try to do it in a respectful and thoughtful manner, but I have opinions, and one of them is that we are not taking the current crisis in American politics seriously enough. I am a student of history, and I am scared shitless at this time.

[LakeArenal]

24. You tell us what kind of progressives we are.

Then tell us what kind of progressive are you.

Yeah. Shut down this fear mongering and get enthusiastically behind our candidate.

That’s what we do here.

[Chainfire]

34. That sounds like, "sit down, shut up and join the cheering section."

Sorry.

But since you insist on trying to make this a personal issue, I will have to terminate the conversation with you.

[LakeArenal]

38. Haha dish it out. And run away.

[mercuryblues]

7. What? You didn't get the DNC memo?

Staying away from them is patriotic. Let them expose each other and die off. Liberals will win the fight, by staying out of the line of saliva aerosol spray.

[brush]

8. If you're up for it, have at it. And if you think trump et al are winning with 63k...

dead and counting you're as nuts as they are.

[Chainfire]

20. I do not believe that 63,000 or 100,000 deaths by November

will offend his followers. Trump's voters are blind, deaf and dumb to his failures. It is amazing to me that people can not grasp the fact that in a normal world Trump's approval rate would be in the 20s. We are not living in a normal world.

I think we are too damn smug and too comfortable to accept the reality that we are in trouble.

[brush]

21. Please! The fact that we're in trouble in the nation is not a revelation. We all know that.

We also know that trump's handling of this dual calamity—the virus and the economy—will take him down in November. His base is his base and they will vote for him. He can have them. They are not enough for him to win as never-trumpers, Dems and many indies are dead set against the worse president ever getting re-elected, but you go on doing what you do.

You apparently haven't heard the expression: Never interfere when your opponent is self-destructing.

[LakeArenal]

27. None so blind as he who fears seeing.

[Chainfire]

28. I appreciate the tone of your post

Actually I have read most of the military classics, so the quote is familiar.

I look to history to project the future. The similarity of the rise of the Third Reich and the situation we face with Trump can not be dismissed out of hand. Hitler took advantage of social unrest and a devastated economy to gain total power. We are experiencing social divisions, we are in the middle of a medical crisis, and we may be headed into a depression.

It is not like the people of Goethe, Thomas Mann, Beethoven, Schumann, or Wagner were some third world banana republic. The German people did not fight the rise of Fascism and fell victim to it. They thought that they could take advantage of Hitler's making Germany great again and vote him out if he exceeded his authority. American people today act like we can ignore the warnings and go about life as usual, just as the Germans did. America is not magically immune and to think that we could not succumb is arrogant to the extreme. Times have changed but people have not.

I agree that in what we consider a normal election cycle, Trump would not be reelected. I contend that we are not in normal times and that the elections we are facing are not going to be "normal." Trump and the corporatocracy that he and the Republican Party represent are not going to relinquish power just because the people want to vote for a change of government.

My warning is that if we are complacent, if we play strictly play by the rules, if we sit back an rely on polls, like we did last time, we may not win, like last time. A win does not only require the replacement of the President, but we must also retain the House and take the Senate. If we do not, then we will spend at least the next four years in a legislative stalemate. None of the Republican gains of the last three years will be rolled back. If the Republicans maintain the Senate, then we are screwed because they will continue to stack the courts and the courts are the key to the power structure and are not subject to the will of the people.

Even our candidate for the Presidency has expressed concerns that Trump may manipulate the elections. Trump's recent comments about him having some special knowledge that he will not lose may not be total fiction. We need to let the people know that we are not going to stand by and passively accept what they want to give us; we need to be more vocal today or we may be shut down tomorrow.
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[LakeArenal]

26. You do not mean "we" at all.

You mean all of us who think you are full of it.

[Chainfire]

29. You may be more effective

If you attempted to argue with my points rather than throw infantile insults. If you have something constructive to say, I would like to hear it.

[LakeArenal]

30. Oh Lordy. You do have an odd way of expressing yourself.

You are a fear monger. Call it whatever you want.

You are obviously losing your battle on this post. Give it a rest.

Get behind Joe without your fear. You have already defined yourself as scared shitless. It’s the only thing most of us agree with in your post.

You are just upset that you have failed to pass your fear along to us.

If you think I’m calling you juvenile names
then you should alert.

[Chainfire]

32. Again I would suggest that you respond to

what I posted, and lay off of the personal attacks. It is very unbecoming of someone who would like to represent themselves as a progressive to call names, throw rocks and run away.

Apparently I said something that you strongly disagree with, would you care to discuss it?

[LakeArenal]

33. Then alert for off topic.

[Chainfire]

31. Whether I am nuts or not has little bearing on the facts

We have been experiencing the worst leadership by the worst American president in history, the man should be political toast at this time but yet: He is a not only a man who could not lead a two car parade, but he is a liar, a cheat, a woman abuser, and is batshit crazy.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/495695-trump-hits-49-percent-approval-rate-in-gallup-poll

Quibble over the exact numbers if you please, but tell me, how do you explain Trump's current approval rate? It is almost certain that we will have improvements in the health crisis by November, so do you believe that his approval rating will drop because the death rate drops? Explain to me how a "sane" person explains Trump still even being competitive in this race?

Remember that we scoffed at his chances last time around, an now he has the full power of the Presidency to support his campaign.

[LakeArenal]

25. February 26, 2020. Nt

[lunatica]

35. This is one of the stupidest things I've read.

[Chainfire]

36. I invite you to discuss anything I posted.

[lunatica]

37. It's a waste of time

I just expect better from a DUer.

[LakeArenal]

39. You are right. I should have listened to you sooner.