Tara should be treated as credible as the man who said he gave Obama a blowie in a limo.

[Drunken Irishman]

Her credibility was sunk today.

Completely, undeniably sunk.

Not only did the AP prove her a liar, when she claimed that the report she filed with the senate was about harassment, she is now outright calling the AP liars.

She knows the gig is up. She knows she spun so many lies that there's only one place left to go - and it's to deny claims she is on the record stating.

Tara hanged herself today.

If there was any credibility to her story (spoiler: there really wasn't), it ended today. The media should not discuss this story any further - and should apologize to Biden for forcing it in the first place without properly vetting it.

[NoMoreRepugs]

1. Agree DI, a whole bunch of opinion writers and so called journalists

need to apologize for jumping on a bandwagon with NO WHEELS.

[DURHAM D]

2. Today? nt

[The Magistrate]

3. Hear Hear, Sir!

Larry Sinclair redux, and worth no more than he.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

[mzmolly]

5. Exactly!

[mzmolly]

4. They have a similar MO and history.

I'm not surprised.

[Jarqui]

6. I spent a lot of time looking into that con

Mitch & Nan show

Same thing. He couldn't keep his story straight.

You'd check into his details and find contradictions in fact. His story would then morph trying to absorb the contradiction of facts you discovered. It happened many times. It's already been happening with her story.

Like Tara, he had some history of alleged deceit (or in his case - convictions). At the time, he'd spent more time in an institution than he'd spent out all for things like fraud / bad checks / scams (deceit) and sick behavior.

Like Tara, he had many aliases. He was more constantly on the move. But she's moved around it seems.

Our investigation was extensive. Gathering gigabytes of data exposing lie after lie after lie. Way over 100.

Tara's claims wilting under scrutiny feel similarly.

The con man had mental health issues - he was institutionalized for it more than once. His fiction seemed to blur with reality. It was part of his deceit mechanism. But he knew he was up to no good. Yet he was screwy enough to be kind of lost or caught up in his own BS. So some lines seemed blurred between his perception of reality and fiction - like he sometimes believed his own lies.

I mention that because I'd be pretty curious as to what her mental health history was (as guarded as that info may be). She's not nearly as severe as the con man but there is a bunch here that kind of feels similarly - just not as extreme. Some of this may be based in a condition where she's partly mentally screwed up. Having said that, I'm not a doctor. But like the con man, it explained a bunch of what was going on - some of it irrational.

[mzmolly]

8. The Mitch and Nan Show

was great!

If you were involved in exposing the con in question - thank you!

I agree with your analysis, completely.

[Jarqui]

10. Your handle seems a little familiar to me from those days

If it is, thank you.
We rode that SOB's ass right through the Obama presidency.
I still keep tabs on him.
Last time we "helped" get him arrested was 2014.
It didn't turn out too well for him - as it shouldn't have.

[mzmolly]

11. I was one of "The Bloggers Three."

The arrest was great! I paid attention and was an active member of the blog, under a different pseudonym of course.

I'm still thankful for the support from The Mitch and Nan Show as well as Paul Levy of Public Citizen and DU.

Remember his Press Conference?

[Jarqui]

14. I am almost certain I recalled your seeing your handle on one of those M&N sites

Other than here, it's the only place I recall seeing it. Maybe have been mentioned from Bloggers Three ...

I remember the arrest very well - at the National Press Club for the bogus money orders in Delaware. An utterly poetic and euphoric moment. There were some very clever folks at M&N who obliterated him with their cartoons and funny images and pranks. That made it a lot of fun to be involved. I think that it also helped significantly to sway the media who we were in touch with. I just did grunt research, helping where I could, checking the details in his stories.

We proved beyond any reasonable doubt he was lying - many times over. He was up to no good for self gain. We kept tabs on him until after the 2016 election.

He was institutionalized in South Carolina in part for trying to strangle his sister as a kid
He was jailed in Arizona for bad checks/fraud - something like that
He was jailed in Colorado for bad checks/fraud/credit card issues/theft - something like that - in their most severe prison.
He was disciplined extensively in prison for things like throwing shit on guards, starting a fire, assault, etc
He was on the run from a Border Patrol/FBI raid in Laredo, TX for allegedly smuggling illegal aliens (one of whom died) when he passed the bogus money orders in Delaware.
Over the years, folks had sued him for financial losses - a car they recovered burned out. There were other financial claims in his wake.

He was picked up by the Secret Service in Washington in part for posing with guns like Lee Harvey Oswald on his way to Obama's 2009 inauguration.
His house was raided in Florida by the Secret Service for faxing bullet riddled photos of Barack & Michelle to the White House and making threatening posts.
Tax department came after him in Georgia, after taking off from Minnesota, looking for accounting and tax returns for his arguably bogus businesses and banana nut bread sales, etc.
Social Security disability cut him off because of the money we showed he was bringing in.
His terms of service were violated and he got his sites shut down a few times.
He was institutionalized after an attempt at a dramatic live suicide attempt online.
He had to defend a defamation lawsuit.
We exposed his second prospective book sale as the bogus money grab it turned out to be.
In 2014, he was arrested for the Colorado warrant for cashing someone's tax refund check - something like that.

He threatened us numerous times because we were catalysts for much of the above - we just brought his conduct to the attention of the authorities. They did the rest because his conduct warranted their attention. That kept him on the run during the Obama years - too busy playing defense to mount much of an offense.

Doubt folks will have to do anything close to that for Tara Reade. But they may well need to continue to scrutinize her story. The Obama campaign got out in front of the con man's story with the media but the media did their own due diligence to arrive at the conclusions they did: his claims had no merit.

[mzmolly]

15. I'm sure you saw my handle.

Sinclair sued me along with TubSockTedD and OWNINGLIARS. https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/sinclairmemoopp.pdf

I was a regular on the Mitch and Nan show but under a different pseudonym. I no longer know my password LOL. I'd love to poke around there again though. Mitch and Nan brought me great comfort and many laughs.

I do agree, Reade will not be as fascinating as Larry Sinclair. And indeed he was a proven liar. It astounded me that anyone believed him, no matter their politics. And that anyone would donate money to a clear scam artist!

Reade will have a gofundme set up in no time - or shall I say another gofundme. Reade is already claiming that Biden operatives are the people calling her out. Familiar fake story-line.

I remember the events you listed above, other than the attempt at stabbing his sister?

Remember the live tic-tac suicide!?

[Jarqui]

16. I think he covered his attempt at strangling his sister in his book

It was part of the reason he was institutionalized as a child.
If not, it came up on a Rense interview ... or something like that.

I followed the tic tac suicide closely.

After we found his criminal records, he tried to reveal some of his past to get out in front of it. But he'd get awful upset when we went beyond what he told us and talked to the prison guards or looked into his past cases and reveal what had really happened or what he'd really done to people.

What a disconnect. Of course, your handle was named in the lawsuit. That was a big part of our motivation/inspiration to fight him - what he was doing to you. I knew there was a reason the handle stuck with me. I guess it's been a while.

What an evil person he is. I'd guess there were about 100 bloggers involved with that cause. I just hung in longer than most. I'll never entirely take my eyes off him.

This stuff is going on with Trump. We saw it with the con man. People latch on to the garbage - believing what they want to believe rather than a sensible, rational conclusion from the facts. It's like they plug their ears when you confront them with facts that destroy their warped conclusions. Unfortunately, we'll probably see that some with Tara Reade.

It's like "he was born in Kenya" or "he's a Muslim" (disconnecting from their smears based on Rev Wright). It's like a wedge issue to detract support from Joe Biden. And not terribly dissimilar to the swiftboating of John Kerry or setting up Gary Hart.

What is lousy is that some diligence got done before the media ran with the con man and therefore, most of them wouldn't run with it but not as much care has been taken with Tara Reade's claims. I think that's wrong/unacceptable.

If as a society, we continue to allow this, no one worth much is going to run for office. Good people are getting destroyed or damaged with garbage. The leadership of the country will suffer accordingly. I believe that is already happening. On top of that, you have the office sullied by Nixon Watergate-Vietnam peace talks, Reagan Iran Contra, Bush-Willie Horton/Gary Hart, Bush-Cheney torturing & WMD and hit the bottom of the barrel with Trump. Who wants to be part of that line up? Obama is the anomaly we hope can happen again with someone but with that lineup, it is discouraging.

Like Lewinsky, this scandal can be like media candy - drive up rating$.

I do not see how this ends well for Trump as what Biden is accused of, Trump is on tape admitting to it. But it is hurting a good man who is a candidate. Hopefully, they can push her to back pages of the news.

[mzmolly]

17. Well said.

Heck, I had to google the other named bloggers, so indeed it has been a while!

I agree. It is unacceptable that her story was propped up without due diligence.

We do allow this kind of smear and much "news" has become tabloid in nature.

Chris Hayes and others covering the Reade story, as they did with email gate is frustrating. Progressives do the work of the right wing time and time again. We'll also have the purists who refuse to support Biden because they have an excuse to give Trump four more years, ala Reade. Lather, rinse, repeat...

I hope in the end lessons are learned and that her bullshit is properly vetted. But I'm not betting on it.

[Drunken Irishman]

9. Oh those were fun times.

Kinda interesting that this all happened around the same time as these Reade claims.

I remember his press conference where everyone on DU was freaking out:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6381063

lol I see mzmolly in that thread!

[mzmolly]

13. LOL

Yes, this old lady has been around these parts for a while now.

[mcar]

7. Wonder if the media who have breathlessly reported her allegations

will backtrack or, dare I suggest, apologize?



I won't hold my breath.

[mzmolly]

12. More here on her altering past blog posts to fit her assault narrative.

https://romansresearch.wordpress.com/2020/04/29/tara-reades-updated-medium-post-all-material-edits/