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(6,635 posts)"both Parties are the same?" Sounds more like the PUMA movement...
Gothmog
(145,129 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)I had lunch with her back in 2015 when she was a rising star with the Ohio Democratic Party. It was the first Sanders campaign that drove her off the cliff...
George II
(67,782 posts)....to her state senate seat.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)Cha
(297,149 posts)the first time.. supposedly "..would bring the revolution.. " HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR THE WORLD?
JHB
(37,158 posts)2016 marked 20 years after Nader's 1996 run. The fact that he disappeared for four years should have been more than reason enough to not vote for him in 2000, but let's put that boulder aside for a moment, just for the sake of this discussion.
The Greens had 20 years to develop a liberal-left voting block, both within their party and allied to left-of-center independents and Democrats.
In that time they've had some small successes at the local (city/town/county) level, mostly in California. However, I couldn't find any Greens elected to state-level offices who hadn't changed party to Democrat or Independent by the time of their next election. And, obviously, they've never had anyone elected to a national -level office.
Coalition building just isn't their strong suit. When they're firing on all pistons, they act as if they want to be the lefty party in parliament in a country that doesn't have a parliamentary system.
But they rarely have fired on all pistons. They've been a platform for grandstanding, vanity campaigns, disruptors, and election-spoiling. They aid the antithesis of their supposed views.
And odds are the People's Party will be exactly the same.
Now, getting back to that boulder...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Such a transient mix of dysfunctionals that even higher-functioning Nina Turner rejects them as a base to build on.
Another effort to organize by the usual dissident types -- whose reason for existence IS dissidence -- would self-destruct like all its predecessors through history. Inevitable differences, often seemingly little ones, turn people who by nature cannot compromise to achieve agreements into internecine opponents.
However, before then, we can expect various huge powers, foreign and domestic, to make the most of it for their purposes.
So first thing I worry about is that this rejection of the Green's mix of dysfunctionals could signal intent to unite Sanders' and Trump's aggressively hostile left and right populist movements in "The People's Party" to finish taking down our government. Our intelligence services say Russia's working to do just that, and it's hardly a wild hair on their part. Extremists on right and left have much more in common with each other than with the vast mainstream, and uniting them against the mainstreams is a proven, standard technique of nation destroying.
If that succeeded, Trump's far larger and infinitely better organized and funded RW white nationalist, religious right, authoritarian version would come to dominate and take over/be taken over by the anti-democracy kleptocratic cabal that's taken over the Republican Party since 1990 or so.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)They're not trying to win elections. They just want to spoil them.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)I thought she's already used up her fifteen minutes.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)once may have gotten over 1% of the vote. That was in those Gay 90's before completely disappearing in the 1920's.
Populism was largely a Midwestern agrarian movement that talked about things like bimetallism. They were right on about some things, but could never get their act together.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)is the Split !
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)or they are being played big time
Cha
(297,149 posts)our Planet.. that's for sure.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Cha
(297,149 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,118 posts)aren't on the list. It's disgusting to see Tim Black is on it though. I watched a few minutes of one his videos once and said "never again."
Cha
(297,149 posts)seeing a clip of him interviewed after Biden Won all those Super Tuesdays.. he looked sick but said he would vote for Biden.. and if he won would immediately start to primary him.
Never heard of Tim Black.. sounds like I'm lucky.
StaySafe, TexasT!
ETA~ I don't think anyone in Congress who's suppose to be a Dem would want to advertise they're not voting for our Dem Nominee.
still_one
(92,136 posts)Cha
(297,149 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)...it is, as the Trump Administration likes to call things, "aspirational".
Squinch
(50,949 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,118 posts)since they believe that Bernie sold out to the Establishment Democrats. Nina gets praised over there.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)The goal of these parties is spoil elections.
Morigami
(29 posts)And Sirota while you're at it.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....of her speaking at the Convention if there is one.