I really hope I am wrong. I'll get no satisfaction from a new spike

[captain queeg]

I really can’t imagine we are not going to see a new surge in cases as restrictions are lifted. At least it’s not happening everywhere and maybe a surge in those states that are opening up will get people’s attention.

But I’d be happy if it doesn’t work out that way and things continue to move downwards. I think even in those states where things are opening up lots of people will continue to act responsibly. I just hope if we do see a new spike it falls on those who ignore caution. Unfortunately a spike will no doubt affect a lot of innocent bystanders.

[agingdem]

1. a spike is a given once the states open up but

we can't live sheltered ..we have to establish a "new normal" and how do we do that if we're terrified to leave our homes? we have to get back to our lives and yes this virus will wash over us...do we hide in our beds waiting for a magic elixir or do we do our best to protect ourselves (masks, sanitizers) in the real world?...the so-called vaccine is an anti-viral, designed to lessen the symptoms and maybe the recovery time, it's not an eradicator...that takes time...I'm in my 70s and I don't have the time and I can't live waiting....

[Squinch]

2. Without massive testing and tracing, plus masking, "getting back to our

lives" will be ridiculously irresponsible.

And Donnie Bodybags is determined that we will not have massive testing, tracing, or sufficient supplies of masks.

We KNOW how to mitigate the dangers of resuming activity. But Donnie Bodybags will not allow that because the numbers will "make him look bad."

So he's willing to kill tens of thousands.

[agingdem]

5. ok so we have massive testing and tracing..

if we're virus positive we've already spread the virus...if we're virus negative then what..we get to walk outside?..

[Squinch]

9. Are you saying testing and tracing are futile?

If you're positive, you are quarantined until you are negative.

That way you dont spread to MORE people. That also eliminates the symptom free spreaders. And yes, if you are negative you go out. And you are frequently tested so it is known when you become positive.

This isn't rocket science. You reduce it as much as you can so you reduce the spread. What part of that is not clear?

[agingdem]

15. yes I am...

tell me exactly what tracing and testing achieve?...it flattens the curve but the virus doesn't go away..we need a vaccine for that...I wear a mask, I carry hand sanitizers, I wear gloves...what else is there to do..hide and for how long?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. What? Read up on it. It worked dramatically well in South Korea. Go on, look it up. . . . nt

[Squinch]

19. I can't even.

I don't have the stomach for this kind of ignorant nonsense. If we slow the spread we reduce the number of deaths. Personally, I find that a worthwhile goal. Your mileage, it seems, varies.

[agingdem]

22. slow it down?

that doesn't make it go away..it doesn't make us less terrified to walk outside, get on a plane, stay in a hotel...I'm the demographic that piece of crap in the White House wants to kill, the governor of Texas/lieutenant governor deems unnecessary bc "there are things more important than dying" (paraphrasing) like saving trump's ass and the economy...we tend to think getting that deranged sociopath out of the White House and Joe into the White House is the end of all of this...it's not...Joe has to get us back to where we were before Trump and then move forward...

[agingdem]

23. you remember the AIDs epidemic?

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HIV ran rampant thru the gay community..there was testing and tracing...but what flattened the virus was condoms...prescribed viral suppressants didn't slow the spread of HIV..but something as simple as protection did...and that's what masks and hand sanitizers are..the panacea for now...

[uponit7771]

14. If you're virus positive then you should be isolated by government. If virus negative yes, go about

... your life.

This isn't hard and there are plenty of other countries that have beat this thing into the ground.

Trump is just choosing not to

[lark]

12. How do I "get back to my life" when my sister would die if she gets the disease?

She has scarred lungs so is already greatly compromised. I had to make the decision to pull my mom off the vent and it was the worst thing I've ever had to do, would do anything not to have to make that decision for my best friend and sister. Maybe the 70 year old poster isn't at a high risk & doesnt have someone at great risk from this disease, but most others aren't so lucky or so cavalier about their loved ones life or death.

Even though restaurants are opening up at 25% today in FL, we won't be going, just like we're not going to the beaches and parks - too crowded, too unsafe. If the numbers don't go up and our hospitals are still in ok condition in 3 weeks, we will try our fave mom and pop restaurants that were never crowded to begin with. I do not trust the state of FL or GA to tell the truth, so will be checking with my friends who work at hospitals - those numbers will tell the true story.

[Squinch]

13. Exactly. That is why I'm saying the idea of "getting back to our lives" is not responsible.

[uponit7771]

17. +1, #YourFamilyFirst Tell MAGA Suckers you put your family out there first and you stay at home and

... when they're not sick or dead in 3 weeks from a horrible death then it's safe for you.

That's exactly what they're asking from the rest of America to put their family members out there to get sick.

Fuck em

[NJCher]

7. do you think about the healthcare workers who are overwhelmed

while people "get back to our lives"?

They are the people who will be taking care of you if you get the virus from going about your life.

[agingdem]

10. yes I think about them

and I worry about my children and grandchildren..by doing what I need to do, masks, gloves, hand sanitizers, I'm protecting my family, my neighbors, and healthcare workers as best I can...

[uponit7771]

20. What about the health care workers and their families? The more sick there are the more danger

... the health care workers are in.

There's no choice here, sending 20% of America to get sick of a horrible sickness or die a horrible death alone and at the least puts health care workers in greater danger

[Drahthaardogs]

21. Dying isn't much of a living...

We find a new normal when testing and tracing capabilities are sufficient and not until.

[forthemiddle]

3. Of course there will be more cases!

People seem to forget that the reason for the shutdown was not to stop the virus, it was to SLOW the spread. This was done to not overwhelm the hospital system, and to give them time to maximize supplies.

I don’t know if the reopening is too soon, or not, but I do know that we will find out soon enough. We can not shutdown until a vaccine is in place, so no matter when we do open up, more people will become infected. The question is can the hospitals handle the new cases.

The vast majority of our hospitals are running on low census, and furloughing workers, lets hope they have stored enough supplies to handle what may come.

Changing the goalposts away from the original purpose (not overwhelming the health system) doesn’t help our case.

[lark]

16. Hospitals in NE FL are NOT laying off employees.

Hospitals here are filled with CV patients, but still have some open beds, some capacity. We do have 2 testing facilities which are open 8-5 M-Sat. However, I do know when a local business had some CV infections, they were told the city didn't have sufficient tests for them so they quarantined everyone for 2 weeks, had the building cleaned then reopened with social distancing and lots of ee working from home. Testing is still a HUGE nationwide problem, we don't have enough and drumpf is ensuring there aren't sufficient supplies by having FEMA steal them - the fuckers.

[NoMoreRepugs]

4. If all red state governors were reporting true numbers of

Deaths and infected in prisons, nursing homes, at home deaths as well as the general populace most of America might be scared shitless.

[JT45242]

6. No tests no spike (jaded commentary on the Trumpian governors)

In these states, there will be so few tests that there will be no spike in the official number of cases.

Even patients who die in a hospital will not be given tests.

Governors will issue directives to coroners (through appropriate channels) that unless the person had a Covid-19 test, they MUST NOT put Covid on the death certificate.

The GOP will claim that the disease has just disappeared and that they were right all along.

I would not be surprised by a hidden rider in the next bailout bill to make it illegal (by removing all federal funding and disallowing applying for future grants) to use statistical analysis to compare death rates during the Covid-19 timeline (all of 2020) to seasonally adjusted normal death rates to determine a more likely number of deaths caused by the pandemic. [It worked for gun studies, just take the wording from the NRA written rider from years ago and change guns to Covid-19]
50 years ago today, students were murdered for burying the Constitution in symbolic protest, the GOP hopes to finish it off and dhred it with this disease and the loathsome unqualified trolls they will use to pack the courts.

[forthemiddle]

24. Indiana starts a gradual reopening today

In Indiana, you can get a free test, without a doctor’s prescription if you work in healthcare, or if you have symptoms, or if you have known contact with someone who has the virus. So that part is improving, even in this Red State.

[hurple]

8. No

It really won't matter as the right wing conspiracy machine is already pumping out the lie that the number 9f deaths is being artificially inflated to make trump look bad.

That narrative will just get louder.

These igits are all of the "is it happening to me right now," clan. If it's not happening to them, right then, it's not real.

[uponit7771]

11. I doesn't look like we've gotten rid of our old spikes. We haven't suppressed the infection rate

[Cosmocat]

25. Yep - the downside of the "curve" has not been near as precipitous as expected

sobering that we could even remotely come close to temporarily choking it out.

And, confirmed cases are still coming in at 60,000 or so a day ... Math is math, that means you are going to see 700 give or take die a month later.