If this story is true... It's NOT GOOD...

[liberallibral]

Hey guys - I wasn't sure if I should post this in "Breaking News" or not, so I just posted it here in "GD"... It's from a UK paper, and I'm praying this is bullcrap...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. The comment section has been flooded by RWers. This does not say much for the site, I guess.

[liberallibral]

3. Yep - I also noticed that...

Saw it linked on Drudge, and that's probably why so many RW-nuts are hoohaahing on it...

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. "Consider the source" may apply here, then.

[Aerows]

10. Agreed

Also, it never hurts to apply common sense like "What is this person gaining by making an article like this?"

[WillowTree]

130. Well, considering it's the current headline on Drudge, it makes sense that conservatives are reading

[msanthrope]

2. The paper owned by the Russian mafia? Your concern is noted. nt

[liberallibral]

4. It's owned by the Russian Mafia???

Really???

[Aerows]

8. Check your sources

Never fails to apply in situations like these.

[flamingdem]

13. You could change the title to something less scandal oriented n/t

[Aerows]

63. Or not

Because this is a blatant attempt at damage control because the Romney campaign was damaged so badly by his reckless statements.

[msanthrope]

18. Yep. The real Russian Mafia...the KGB guys turned billionaires. The guys sitting in Brighton Beach?

Small potatoes.

You are quoting a British tabloid run by a guy who worked for the KGB.

Your concern is noted.

[Aerows]

68. Romney screwed up so badly

He's deploying the defense, now. If you rely upon an ex-KGB operated paper, you are on thin ice.

[Spider Jerusalem]

72. Not a tabloid.

It's one of the four national "quality" newspapers. The other three are the Guardian, the Times, and the Telegraph. Which of course doesn't mean it can't be wrong and it may be wrong (I'd trust the story more personally from the Guardian).

[Aerows]

92. Whisper Campaign

to keep the race close since Romney is failing with aplomb. Anyone that reads Spider Jerusalem comics is smart enough to know this.

[Aerows]

6. I stand with the US

This article is so critical of the US it isn't even funny. I don't care if you are left or right, but this article is so harsh against the US that NO ONE should take it seriously.

[cynatnite]

7. Really need more sources before coming to a conclusion. n/t

[NotThisTime]

9. Some part of it has to be true, how did they know where the "safe house" was

if there wasn't something leaked by someone.... Stevens was said to have known about the threats, they were likely ongoing. I'm assuming the truth is somewhere in the middle

[liberallibral]

12. That's what worries me...

[kestrel91316]

45. Sure it does........

[tabasco]

11. LOL.

Thanks for your concern.

[Aerows]

14. Or no thanks

Tabasco. Love the avatar name. No hot sauce is better.

[Ohio Joe]

44. Blasphemy!

Cholula is the true king of hot sauces

[Aerows]

55. Cher

I'm from LA. I know the folks from Avery Island that make it. It's great stuff. But if you like another hot sauce, who am I to judge? You are perfectly, and profoundly able to make your own hot sauce decisions.

Just don't blame me if you don't like the best one

[tabasco]

142. Cholula is truly great.

I also love Valentina and it's half the price of Cholula.

[liberallibral]

15. A Story Like That Doesn't Concern You??

I'm hoping it's a bunch of crap, too - but it's still concerning, no???

[Warren DeMontague]

30. I agree. Cause for much concern. In fact, it's so concerning that my concern is feeling concerned.

Thank you for bringing these important concerns up!

[Nye Bevan]

19. This story made you laugh out loud? You have a unique sense of humor. (nt)

[Aerows]

69. No

Just Concern Troll FAIL. Let me reiterate.

FAIL

[Nye Bevan]

16. Terrible if true, I agree. And "The Independent" is a reputable newspaper.

If it turned out that Hillary was warned, and did nothing, she may have to fall on her sword. Which would be a pity, as she has done a great job at State IMO.

[Aerows]

21. I'm sorry

This is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Do you HONESTLY think in an election season that Hillary Clinton could be aware of this and NOT stave it off at the pass?

That's lunacy.

[Nye Bevan]

26. My guess is that if someone in the State Department had the information,

it did not make it up the chain as far as Hillary. Election season or no, I think Hillary would do the right thing. Maybe a mid-level State Department employee screwed up.

[Aerows]

50. My goodness

That has to be the finest walk back on this tripe I've seen yet in this thread.

[BarackTheVote]

132. Who are these "senior diplomatic sources"?

I doubt any of the survivors of the consulate attack have talked to this British tabloid; and how many people would definitively know that a phone call hadn't been made? Cause that's certainly what it sounds like from the Independent "exclusive story." Or, is this an insane extrapolation of what has been going around the RW echochamber already about Obama not coming to defense meetings (which is a ridiculous, scornworthy assertion), as member Laura PourMeADrink reported:

On a 2 hr drive today, I listened to a rw radio station. Their rant was:

1. Obama doesn't attend daily security briefings. (which supposedly isn't really true)

2. If Obama DID go to the briefings (instead of playing golf) he would have known there was going to be an attack.

3. Why didn't Obama arm-up ? If he had gone to briefings, he would have known about attack and could have saved those people who were killed.

4. Ergo, Obama killed those people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021338992#post8

So, a lie based on the compression of another lie, thus creating a super lie worthy of Ryan himself!

But even if this 48-hour warning WAS true... what was the threat that was reported? And isn't it possible that the threat was already something being planned for? It WAS 9/11, after all, and all government officials in the ME must have been on high alert already! BUT--the warning COULDN'T have been the demonstrations against Innocence of Muslims, since that only went viral over the weekend.

While I'm leaning toward Laura's interpretation of events, if I were to give The Independent a HUGE benefit of the doubt, it's possible that the "stress test" had determined that the threat reported could be defended against without further back-up, and that the consulate was already prepared for a threat such as the one reported... and then were taken off-guard by the spontaneous demonstration and by some of the Libyan guards supposedly (again, giving this story the benefit of the doubt) turning their backs due to the outrage they themselves felt about the film.

This story's really a non-starter. Way too little information for us to make a determination at best, a flat-out lie at worst, and OBVIOUSLY an irresponsible, if not libelous, headline!

[Life Long Dem]

42. Oh boy

[WI_DEM]

140. if it's true it wouldn't only affect Hillary it would affect Obama as head of the administration

and could be enough to defeat him. That said, it doesn't mean this story is true.

[TwilightGardener]

17. There's no doubt it was planned in advance, and not a spontaneous street mob

thing. The street mob may have been organized or incited to cover up the operation--but the security detail giving up right away is extremely suspicious.

[Aerows]

27. You have to be kidding

If you think this was planned by the State Department and that they "let it happen".

Good God. There are people whom are willing to mislead anyone for politics. This is the US's integrity. Apparently you don't give a shit about it as long as there isn't a Republican at the wheel.

The integrity of the US only seems to matter when it is a particular political party at the head of it, and that is disgusting.

[TwilightGardener]

32. Where did I say it was planned by the State Dept.? I think you're overreacting

to my comment.

[Aerows]

47. No

I'm responding to your comment with exactly the necessary disdain.

[TwilightGardener]

52. Be as disdainful as you want, I don't think members of this "spontaneous" mob knew how

to access diplomats without some intelligence or planning.

[renie408]

57. Yeah, and in the end, THAT would be scarier than if it were planned.

I think it would REALLY show that we have some security issues if a spontaneous angry mob could kill a US ambassador, an intelligence officer and two Marines.

[Aerows]

61. I'm sure the State Department arranged that

You know, just to be patriots on 9/11.

The absolutely gullible portion of society will believe it though. They were terrified that Mitt Romney looked like an idiot over his comments on the tragedy and have to stir something up to take the heat off of him.

[TwilightGardener]

66. Somebody leaked info, somebody the diplomats relied upon was not

ultimately to be trusted. I don't know why anyone would be surprised. What would be more surprising is that a bunch of supposed pissed-off street punks from the general public knew where the staff was hiding and could access them or burn them out-- I just don't buy it.

[Aerows]

71. I thought

conspiracy theories were out of line on DU.

I see you've started one of your own.

You don't buy it, because you cannot believe that the Obama Administration can possibly be innocent in this situation. They are guilty of every damn thing, but they are also inept at everything. Fucking pick a decision that doesn't involve fallacious arguments if that is the debate that you want to have.

[renie408]

74. You know, you seem to be freaking out.

You should calm down a little bit. You got yourself excited when you misread the post upstream and you haven't settled back down yet.

I just heard on NPR that the attacks in Libya were most likely planned and the work of a terrorist group. I have been hearing that all day. Why are you acting as if that is some kind of SHOCKING news or completely irrational?

[Aerows]

76. Actually

I prefer freaking out. It's a much healthier state of being for me, since it leads to rational thought.

You should try it.

[renie408]

137. Well, since freaking out in this case...

made you look like a total idiot, I am not sure that is really working for you like you think it is.

You are attacking a poster because YOU misread their post. You continued to attack them based on that incorrect assumption. That actually says a WHOLE lot more about you than it does about anything or anybody else. Calling me irrational, again, says more about you than it does about me. If you want to present yourself to the world as someone who cannot accept their own mistakes and who attacks others whether you are right or wrong, be my guest. I just assume that people don't want to go around looking like ignorant assholes.

My B.

[AverageJoe90]

119. That does seem to be highly plausible, unfortunately.

This does make the adminstration look bad.....not something that could turn the election or anything, but still a little too convenient for the anti-Obama set, I think.

[TwilightGardener]

120. I disagree--unless the State Dept. or Obama himself was given

actionable intelligence of an attack there and failed to notify the consulate, I don't know why the administration would "look bad".

[Th1onein]

87. It doesn't have to be a security leak at all. What about the LOCAL guards who were guarding the

safe house? You don't think they knew what they were guarding and who they were guarding? Come on now.

[Aerows]

93. They would have you believe

That everyone that is a guard is a dufus and not informed, when that plainly isn't true. Security requires information to keep the subject safe.

[renie408]

48. Slow down...they meant planned by the people who did it. Jeez...n/t

[Aerows]

75. It's too bad

That I am responding to the news as we get it.

If that's a sin, you should slow down, too

[truth2power]

88. Take a deep breath...I know everyone's on edge, but

I have no idea how you got, from twilightgardener's post, that s/he was saying it was planned BY the state dept.

The reason I decided to butt in here is that, ever since the news first came out about the attacks, it's been suggested by some that the film was NOT the precipitating cause, that there's something else behind it. In other words, that it wasn't spontaneous.

Not to put words in twilightgardener's mouth, but perhaps that's what s/he was referring to.

Beyond that, I have no idea as to the real story. Carry on.

[Aerows]

90. This smells like a whisper campaign

and it failed.

[truth2power]

102. Just trying to clarify, here...Do you mean the idea that it wasn't spontaneous

is part of the whisper campaign?

Here's a thread about Rachel Maddow's show - apparently she said something about the cause of the attacks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021339203

And here's a permalink - DUer Bullwinkle saying: "it looks like that stupid-ass movie had NOTHING to do with the Libyan consulate attack."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1339244

I'm going to go check out the show to see what she said.

[Aerows]

109. Smells like desperation

and then failure. I needed to clarify.

[truth2power]

123. I must be tired or something...

Also, a little gin & tonic

Here's a link of Rachel saying the reason is probably avenging the death of al Libi something. He moved up to deputy of al qaida when OBL deputy moved up to leader after OBL was killed.

I'm gonna turn-in before I fall on the floor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#49012673

[Aerows]

124. :)

I understand what you mean. If I don't go to bed soon after the work day I've had, I'm going to fall out, too. I want to get in an hour of playing Guild Wars 2, though LOL.

I'm a glutton for punishment, I guess.

[TwilightGardener]

94. I am indeed suspicious that a spontaneously formed mob was able

to access officials who should have been under a good deal of security. I believe that a mob may have formed, and they were reacting to the film, but I doubt that that alone could have led to the deaths of two diplomats and two Marines. There were killers specifically targeting these Americans, and knew how to get to them. Riots and confusion make a good cover.

[Aerows]

97. Whisper Campaign n/t

[TwilightGardener]

100. What does that mean? I don't know what you're implying.

[Aerows]

104. A whisper campaign politically

means that you spread rumors about an opponent that cannot be verified, but you continually make reference to them. This particular rumor is that Obama engineered the attack on the Libyan embassy because he is secretly a Muslim and supports these actions. It's so stupid that only a moron would believe it, but if you push it via a Whisper Campaign of rumors, maybe somebody might believe it.

[TwilightGardener]

105. OK. But nobody here is doing that.

[Aerows]

110. No, not at all

They aren't going with rumors and playing off innuendos. That's not happening here AT ALL while *assuming* that the State Department and President Obama is at fault in this. Not at ALL.

[TwilightGardener]

112. Well, I'm not blaming either Obama or the State Dept. Not sure who is. I saw some

on this thread say that it would suck if there were American intelligence failures to blame, to paraphrase--but that's about it. It's a single dubious source, no one is taking it as gospel.

[Art_from_Ark]

20. I thought you might have been referring to the comments section

Quite a collection of mouth-breathers and knuckle-draggers, to say the least

[L0oniX]

22. "he died from smoke inhalation" ...that's right ...he was not murdered.

They died of smoke inhalation as a result of the fires started by the crowd of attackers. The attackers could have gone in an shot them. I think that would be worse. No way is a good way to die except maybe in your sleep but I don't approve of the framing of this as murder. Can you determine that the intent of the attackers was to murder them? I don't know. It may be on the level 3rd degree murder in that they didn't plan to actually kill them. I'm not saying that they did not murder them only that the press is framing this. We don't really know for sure. I for one do not trust or government to tell the truth nor do I trust the press either.

If you don't read the paper you are uninformed and if you do reed it you are misinformed. - Sam Clemens (not an exact quote)

[Nye Bevan]

31. If some people attack you, start fires, causing you to die of smoke inhalation, it's still murder.

Morally and legally.

[L0oniX]

36. If it was planned then why would they leave it to chance?

If it was really a safe house there would be a fire proof area or room and have oxygen.

[cherokeeprogressive]

115. Maybe the fire was set so as to drive them out into the open where they could be shot?

Starting a fire that kills someone ISN'T murder? Now I've heard it all.

[renie408]

59. I thought they set his car on fire. If it were just the smoke in the area, why would he

be the only one to succumb to it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Right of center news paper

and the story has been debunked by the administration, The meat of this is that the POTUS has his daily briefing in the schedule. This is true when POTUS is at the WH, not traveling.

Here, from The Note...

Congress was warned about Libya last month

The author of the report, Christopher Blanchard, specialist in Middle Eastern affairs, on Thursday told the E-Ring, "Security has deteriorated since the election [in July] and the government has not appeared able to stop attacks on religious buildings or an ongoing string of assassination attacks on former regime security officials. The attacks on the U.S. offices in Benghazi were the latest and most severe in a series of attacks on foreign diplomatic facilities and international organizations in Libya."

"This incident underscores what the State Department itself said in its late August travel warning: militia groups outside of state control are active in Libya and pose a direct threat to Libyans and foreigners."

According to Blanchard's report, which is titled Libya: Transition and U.S. Policy and dated August 9, 2012, Libyan security is severely hampered by several factors, as the country continues to emerge from civil war and moves haltingly toward unifying its governance and security institutions and ad-hoc groups.

U.S. officials and outside experts, CRS stated, already harbored significant concerns over loose security at the country's borders and "hundreds of suspected weapons sites," in addition to massive proliferation of small arms, shoulder-fired MANPADS rockets, and "heavy weaponry" in and just outside of Libya

.

http://e-ring.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/13/congress_was_warned_about_libya_last_month

I expect this to die down as people realize that it is not as simple as they want to make it sound.

Nor is there a PTB in question.

[Nye Bevan]

39. "The Independent" is considered left-leaning, if anything.

When the paper was established in 1986, the founders intended its political stance to reflect the centre of the British political spectrum and thought that it would take readers primarily from The Times and The Daily Telegraph. It is now seen as leaning to the left, making it more a competitor to "The Guardian".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent#Political_views

In the 2010 General Election they endorsed the Liberal Democrats.

[msanthrope]

49. They are owned by a guy who used to work for the KGB. Tell me how 'independent' they are? nt

[DevonRex]

78. Exactly. As IF the KGB gave a shit about ideology.

They cared a lot about spying and torture and controlling everyone's lives. Socialism or communism? Don't make me laugh.

[Aerows]

95. But Republicans said so

That means it's true.

[DevonRex]

106. Haha.

And some people seem to have confused the old Soviet Union with a liberal haven of some sort. Stalin changed all that. The Russian people deserved so much better. They deserved what they fought for in their Revolution.

[Aerows]

111. Those that forget history

are doomed to...


What was that saying again?

[cherokeeprogressive]

122. If that's your argument, and Putin is ex-KGB, wouldn't they want President Obama re-elected?

If the answer to that is yes, what does that do to your argument?

[muriel_volestrangler]

134. It's the paper Robert Fisk and Patrick Cockburn report on the Middle East for

Just check how much they've been quoted on DU. Yes, it's reporting on Arabic countries is 'independent'.

While Lebedev was KGB, he is also an owner, along with Gorbachev, of Novaya Gazeta - which is an indpenedent Russian paper, critical of Putin. Anna Politkovskaya worked for it before she was murdered (probably by the government).

[msanthrope]

135. You are always KGB. Just like Bob Woodward will always be Naval Intelligence. Don't kid yourself--

this is a planted story, at just the right time.

[Junkdrawer]

24. Obama didn't want to attack Iran because he didn't want the Middle East to erupt in violence....

So now the Middle East erupts in violence.

What a coincidence!

[darkangel218]

28. No offense, but youre not helping

[Junkdrawer]

35. I'm not blaming Obama. I blame those who want an attack on Iran. n/t

[darkangel218]

51. You made it sound like youre almost happy over whats happening

Sorry if I read it the wrong way.

[Junkdrawer]

53. My take:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021334731

[AverageJoe90]

121. Frankly, I don't disagree with that.

The RW only wants an attack on Iran so they can show the world how high & mighty we supposedly are.......

[Aerows]

96. Neither are you

And you don't intend to judging by your comments in this thread.

[darkangel218]

25. Oh wow, i really hope its not true

Shit

[msanthrope]

38. Your concern over the concern posted is noted. nt

[RandiFan1290]

43. OMC!! Ya I'm like totally concerned too!!1

[Nye Bevan]

58. It's not acceptable here to show any concern this close to an election.

The acceptable reactions to a story like this are to deny it outright (posting the single word "Bullshit" works for this); you can suggest that the OP is a troll (time-honored phrases like "thank you for your concern", or "concern noted" work well here); you can attack the source of the story (state that the newspaper is a "right-wing rag", for example); you can claim that the story was planted by the Republicans; but what you cannot do is to express any misgivings over the possibility that the story is true.

[darkangel218]

62. How did i show more concern than the OP??

[Nye Bevan]

65. You posted the frowny face (nt)

[darkangel218]

67. You gotta be kidding me!!

[DevonRex]

73. On matters of foreign policy crises and the Russian Mafia OWNS

THE PAPER then taking the article with a "meh" is the appropriate response. In fact it's the only response anyone with a lick of sense would have, absent another independent source of impeccable reputation.

[Aerows]

101. Those two

have an agenda, and we know what it is.

Just acknowledge their agenda, and make sure that you weigh your opinion in when they offer their anti-DU agenda here. Better the devils we know than the devils we don't.

[DevonRex]

107. I concur. Nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

116. KKKarl... is that you?

That works too.

[nebenaube]

29. Typical hyperbole...

Over sensationalizes, I'm not surprised? I suspect t might be planted.

[Lint Head]

33. The right wing is desperately trying to facilitate an October suprise.

[Aerows]

41. It's fucking disgusting

And I apologize for using the F-Word, but there is no other way of expressing how low this is.

[Dawson Leery]

64. In other words, the right wing is willing to commit treason in order to win.

[Liberal_in_LA]

34. doesn't really matter if the story is true or not. Repubs will start the drumbeat and eventually

they'll all believe it.

[liberallibral]

40. This worries me as well...

Romney is already running around like a nut, spewing garbage about President Obama....

[Liberal_in_LA]

46. doesn't really worry me. Nothing we can do about it. That's how the right operate

[Aerows]

37. Bullshit article

from a paper that is convinced that the US must be lead by a Republican. If this is true, that means that our leaders are straight up traitors - I don't believe it.

What I believe is that Republicans, in a time when our country was attacked, are fomenting discord in an attempt to make our leaders look bad. That makes THEM traitors.

Disgusting as it gets. Fuck Republicans for this.

[Honeycombe8]

54. This sounds like a plant by Republicans. Still, I hope and pray this isn't true. I doubt it is.

Can you imagine Obama not doing anything after receiving credible info? Esp since Bush hadn't done anything after receiving a Presidential Bulletin, preceded by other warnings, before 9/11? I seriously doubt it. His primary concern is to save lives. He would have taken action to do something, if only to get the people out of the embassy, before 9/11.

This sounds like a plant by Republicans.

[oviedodem]

56. Look at it this way. If you put them on high alert and/or send troops then you look panicky. Second

how do you know which embassy.

No U.S. embassy is protected enough. In order to do that you practically need a military force stationed there. Last i checked, all embassies in the middle east have basically been under alert since 9/11. This goes along with my theory that RW'ers or Israel are behind the attacks.

[AnnieBW]

60. Federal Installations Were On Alert for 9/11 Anyway

Most US Government installations were on alert because of the anniversary of 9/11. This wouldn't be the first time that Al Qaeda tried something on that date. This is especially true of embassies in the Middle East. So, did we "know" of an attack? No. Were they on alert for a possible one? Yeah.

[reflection]

70. I stand with my president and his SoS

until I get more information. One newspaper article is not going to knock me off stride. If it's true, it will be dealt with, if it's not, then screw it.

[Aerows]

79. Me too

This smells of Mitt Romney discovering that his campaign got destroyed by his actions. I stand firm with Obama and Secretary of State Clinton and I don't give a shit who knows it.

[Mutiny In Heaven]

77. Un-named sources

Leaking information about an incredibly sensitive situation.

I think this is less a "leak" and more "Republican foreign policy figures offering their version of reality".

[Aerows]

82. Exactly

This is an attempt at Republican shit-stirring. It appears that the only ones that stink are themselves.

[DevonRex]

83. Or an ex-KGB op doing a favor for the Kremlin. Nt

[Jennicut]

84. Who are the "senior diplomatic sources"?

Hard to prove this without naming who the sources are.

[Mutiny In Heaven]

86. Exactly.

I'm not sure any intelligent person would take this kind of "leak" seriously without named sources.

Sadly, the eventual target audience from whoever handed the press this story does not consist of intelligent people. No, they want the same crowd who equivocate Obama and Kerry criticising Bush FP with Romney's ludicrous 9/11 fit.

[Aerows]

98. Whisper Campaign n/t

[DCBob]

80. If your concern is real... I'd BE SHOCKED..

Its customary to put something in your post to indicate what the content of the link is about.

[DevonRex]

81. Amen. Nt

[Aerows]

85. This is RW shit-stirring

Or their lame attempt at it. They appear to be the ones that stink, and now we know who they are by their smell.

[Cali_Democrat]

89. There's nothing there

Read the article. There's really nothing there when you dig deep.

This will actually be beneficial to Obama IMO. A desperate Romney will likely try to go after this hard and it will take him off his message of the economy.

Problem is, there's nothing there except unnamed sources and hearsay. Many foreign US installations are on alert during Sep 11th anyways.

If the Republicans try to attack Obama over this again and again, they will look like the desperate assholes they are.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

129. They Seem To Be Conflating Three Story Lines

Story Line One- There was a breach of security on behalf of Libyan security (entirely plausible)
Story Line Two- The act was premeditated at some low cell level (entirely plausible)
Story Line Three -The US knew their embassy was going to be attacked and elected to do nothing (entirely implausible)

[ProSense]

133. Another thing

while the deaths were a result of the attacks, they died of smoke inhalation.

CNN: Ambassador Stevens, Others Died Of Smoke Inhalation
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/cnn-ambassador-stevens-others-died-of-smoke-inhalation

Romney is failing badly and the RW is extremely desperate.

[Aerows]

91. Whisper Campaign

I'm sure the more politically adept amongst us know what that is for what it is. Whisper Campaign because Romney failed to look "Presidential" on foreign affairs.

If you want that horror leading us, I don't know what to say.

[nadinbrzezinski]

103. here, more of how this is a RW slant

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021339438

[progressivebydesign]

108. Frankly the whole thing smacks of a Cheney production. Hmm. "Obama doesn't attend briefings" meme

The 9/11 anniversary when people pointed out that Bush ignored intelligence. Netenyahu suddenly going apeshit on the President, and causing troubles that were NOT there before, (don't forget that Adelson is a major pal of Netenyahu, and supporter of the Neocons and Romney.) Then you have this Christian posing as an Israeli, making a crass film designed SOLELY to inflame violence in the ME, released RIGHT at that moment, when the other things come together.

Don't forget that Darth Cheney also resurfaced on 9/11 to attack the PResident. Plus, the coordinated attack on the President during this entire 24 hour period of the Consolate attacks, including Romney's press conference called before the President could speak about the tragedy. Remember ROMNEY did not write those words, someone fed them to him, and at the same time Palin, Malkin, the RNC/Priebus, had the same exact line of attack on the President.

And today.. it's the Apology meme.. And now they're attacking the President's "aim first, then shoot" comment, which was TOTALLY deserved, and pales by comparison to the egregious comments by Romney, the most vile candidate in American history.

The NEOCONS are running the show right now. I have no doubt. This is their plan to get their worthless fuck of a candidate out of the bargain basement of polling. They can't make America like him.. nope.. but they CAN make America be AFRAID again... that's their specialty. This is scary shit.

[TwilightGardener]

113. I agree--to reiterate what you say, I don't know who was ultimately behind the attacks,

but my foil hat is on, and has been since yesterday--the speed of the GOP attack, before they had even found all the bodies, Cheney saying Obama doesn't attend intelligence briefings, Mittens walking away from the podium like a man very confident about something...the coordinated "He's weak! He apologizes!" when none of it happened that way. The nature and timing of the whole thing--it just smells.

[deaniac21]

114. Obama has been the best president ever, in dealing with the middle east.

Irna and Hezbolla fear him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

117. I am old enough to remember when trolls actually had game.

You fail.

Yeah, I just wrote/said that.

[HangOnKids]

125. Indeed!

Epic fail of a concern thread.

[Nye Bevan]

126. And back then, people weren't afraid to tell them

"bend over, touch your toes..." etc.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

128. I Told Him/Her To Bend Over So He Or She Could Give Evil (Romney) An Opening

Ya happy...


Yeah I said it/wrote it...

on edit- I am old enough to remember that some of the trolls have stars and relatively high post counts.

[undergroundpanther]

131. lulz epically..

[WinkyDink]

118. "Bin Laden Determined to Attack in US." Trump THAT.

[aaaaaa5a]

127. Politico has the White house response.

From the article:


Shawn Turner, spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, emailed: “This is absolutely wrong. We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81198.html#ixzz26PYNQEAY

[WilliamPitt]

136. I'm pretty surprised by the responses in this thread.

This report is deeply disturbing...and it isn't out of the realm of possibility that a security breach has taken place. You make the Independent sound like WorldNetDaily. It isn't.

I'm not a troll, and this worries me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

138. Just sayin.....This post is the first post in the DU trashing on conservativeunderground.com

[jsr]

139. It is bullcrap

It looks like Mr Kim Sengupta is trying to get himself a RW gig by making up shit.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

141. Completely Unsourced...

Other than a couple of quotes from alleged Libyans who were allegedly on the scene.

I think you can use this one to wrap old fish.