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Demovictory9

(32,448 posts)
Mon May 4, 2020, 10:48 PM May 2020

with cities on lockdown, animals roam

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/world/gallery/animals-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

Lions take a cat nap on a normally busy road in South Africa's Kruger National Park on April 15. "Lying on the road during the daytime is unusual, because under normal circumstances there would be traffic and that pushes them into the bush," park spokesman Isaac Phaahla told CNN.Richard Sowry/Kruger National Park







A puma is seen in the empty streets of Santiago, Chile, on March 24. Several pumas have been spotted in Santiago recently, and they've had to be captured and relocated.GDA via AP

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with cities on lockdown, animals roam (Original Post) Demovictory9 May 2020 OP
K&R. n/t rzemanfl May 2020 #1
Very nice now but I feel so sorry for them when the first day begins jimfields33 May 2020 #2
They are checking things out. riversedge May 2020 #3
That puma is breathtaking. I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #4
Now bdamomma May 2020 #5
yes!! Demovictory9 May 2020 #6
I always wanted to make a little plaque for my bird feeder. Jamastiene May 2020 #13
My kitties like hot pavement too KT2000 May 2020 #7
Kick dalton99a May 2020 #8
The deer are lovely shanti May 2020 #9
Not quite on a par with this, but last week I went outside and a couple of PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #10
Really? Jamastiene May 2020 #12
We've seen hawks too in my area - NE NY Rhiannon12866 May 2020 #17
Where are you? PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #18
I'm in the southern central part of NC. Jamastiene May 2020 #20
Thank you for that post. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #21
I live surrounded by preserve land and we are lucky Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #24
Many of these animals are going to be killed by idiot humans when Jamastiene May 2020 #11
The pumas have already been relocated Demovictory9 May 2020 #14
That is good news. Jamastiene May 2020 #15
Here's something to ponder. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #19
Great pix, thanks for posting! Just hope that the animals stay safe now, too! Rhiannon12866 May 2020 #16
Kicking this! calimary May 2020 #22
A Lady In Chicago's North Suburbs Had A Cougar ProfessorGAC May 2020 #23

jimfields33

(15,768 posts)
2. Very nice now but I feel so sorry for them when the first day begins
Mon May 4, 2020, 10:51 PM
May 2020

And trucks and cars by the thousands go through. I hope they don’t get to comfy only for safety reasons.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
13. I always wanted to make a little plaque for my bird feeder.
Mon May 4, 2020, 11:44 PM
May 2020

You know those little plaques you see at zoos with information about the species in the enclosure? I wanted to make a plaque with info about humans as a joke. I never got around to it, but you are right. We are their zoo right now.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
10. Not quite on a par with this, but last week I went outside and a couple of
Mon May 4, 2020, 11:20 PM
May 2020

eagles or hawks, not sure which, were soaring and gliding in the sky. In my 12 years here in Santa Fe I don't think I've ever seen either of those birds.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
12. Really?
Mon May 4, 2020, 11:43 PM
May 2020

They do it all the time where I live. I used to work for a dog groomer and on more than one occasion, owners of small dogs would call in with red tailed hawk abduction stories. It really happened. They had witnesses and everything. The local vet said it was true in one case where they had the dog on a leash and managed to try to keep their dog from the hawk. Poor dog still didn't make it.

I keep noticing a theme with turkeys showing up in places they don't normally go too. I wonder what is the deal with the turkeys? Are they saying make us the national bird like you promised or else? I can't help but try to find humor in things, because stuff is just so grim and dire and hopeless so much of the time nowadays.

Rhiannon12866

(205,161 posts)
17. We've seen hawks too in my area - NE NY
Tue May 5, 2020, 01:11 AM
May 2020

And when I'd take my 8 lb. Brussels Griffon outside, I'd hover over him and keep a close watch!

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
18. Where are you?
Tue May 5, 2020, 01:33 AM
May 2020

My point was really that I'd never seen hawks or eagles where I am in Santa Fe. Doing a bit of on line research makes me think I was seeing hawks. Not sure just what kind. I didn't have a very good view of them, just was impressed by how they were soaring and floating.

I used to live in Boulder, CO. 1988-1990. At the time there was a real problem with the deer that were essentially a city herd. Plus, mountain lions kept on coming into that city to hunt those deer. I suspect that right now, assuming the good citizens of Boulder are mostly staying inside, the deer and the mountain lions are going at it as if it were long before human intrusion into the landscape.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
20. I'm in the southern central part of NC.
Tue May 5, 2020, 02:49 AM
May 2020

We have red tailed hawks mostly, but also we see eagles sometimes too. We just have bobcats as far as big cats here. I have heard of a panther in Florida and they say there is one in the Carolinas, but I have never seen it or known anyone else who has. Most of the time with wild animals, even the bigger ones, if you just get out of their way, you won't get hurt. Get some relocation service in and nothing had to be hurt.

The worst thing about my area is either alligators (though not nearly as bad as Florida has it) at the water's edge, or copperheads that you can easily step on without seeing it first. Most people don't even die from copperhead bites and most who do get bit were either messing with it and torturing it or they accidentally stepped on it. Some people will make things up about various venomous snakes chasing people, but it's baloney. Usually, it's because someone stepped on one or they were messing with it and trying to get it to strike so they could test themselves. That activity is in the Darwin Award category, though. Where I am is just on the line between what they call the Piedmont and what they call the Sandhills. So, we ended up with 4 venomous snakes in most of the county, but five if you are in the eastern part of the county.

I once picked up a coral snake by accident as a kid, in a load of pine straw. It slithered across my hand and kept right on going. The neighbor went running off to his house and came back out with a pistol shooting at my hands. Problem was, the snake had gone off across the road already by the time he fumbled around and loaded his gun. I was ok, until he came out shooting at my hands. The idiot was shooting at me. I could have done without that. I was safer with the coral snake. I just stayed calm instead of spooking it. Thinking calmly is hard to do for most people around animals. My neighbor, the human, on the other hand was about to be my demise if I hadn't told him to stop it already, the snake was gone. I feel safer around animals of all kinds than I do around panicking people with guns and there are a lot of those where I am from.

I can tell you a secret about how to clear out a room of Republicans. Put a spider in the room with them, especially a wolf spider. They will FREAK. These are manly men who won't wear pink, hate gay people like nothing you have ever seen, carry numerous loaded guns in their trucks, but freak out if they see a wolf spider or walk through some other kind of spider's web. Wolf spiders don't make webs. They are just big. Spiders just freak them out so bad. We need to use ads with a spider picture in it in an election sometime. They will surrender just to get rid of the goose bumps and panic.

I used to be afraid of spiders and other things when I moved into my current house. Now, I think nothing of spiders or snakes. I have cow killers, ground hornets, every wasps imaginable, and red imported fire ants to look out for. Fire ants will empty the mound if you stand still anywhere in my yard for more than a few seconds. They will pants you too. I'm not the only one they have pantsed. I at least had my undies on by the time I got to the door. The man down the street didn't have anything left on by the time he got to his door when they pantsed him. So, I already have him beat. I just know not to stand still too long in one place in my yard any more.

I guess I just have gotten used to being around more animals than people, because people, to be honest, scare me more than any animal. They really do. People are damned dangerous, especially when you add panic and loaded guns into the equation.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
21. Thank you for that post.
Tue May 5, 2020, 03:31 AM
May 2020

I have various snake stories. I grew up in Northern New York State (north of Utica) and we had garter snakes every spring. So I learned to handle them, which came in handy more than once. Somewhat recently, I live in Santa Fe, NM. Not long after I bought the small place I currently live in, I was in my den/second bedroom on the computer I'm currently using. To my left were the french doors which were open to let in fresh air. I HATE french doors because there's no screen door part of them and these since been replaced with sliding glass door with screen door

Anyway, so I'm doing whatever on the computer and notice, to my left, on the shelving unit there, that I'm seeing something slithering on those shelves. Uh oh. A snake.

Now keep in mind that I grew up handling garter snakes. But my first thought here was, OH CRAP! I was concerned the snake was a rattler. So I watched as slithered across the shelf. No rattle. Whew. What a relief. But now what to do? My first thought was to try to capture it in a paper bag of some kind, but quickly realized that was dumb. So I fell back on my childhood snake handling experience, and simply grabbed it behind the neck. I took a good look at the snake before I walked it out to the back yard and let it go.

A brief internet exploration told me this was a Corn Snake, which is a good snake that track down vermin that might otherwise endanger a corn harvest.

Because I'm in Santa Fe, at 7,000 feet, I simply don't have a lot of things that those at lower altitudes must deal with. No mosquitoes. No ticks or fleas on animals. No cockroaches, which I've had in various other parts of the country.

I do get black widow spiders, which I cheerfully kill as soon as I see them. I also kill the less common spiders I want to call daddy long legs, mainly because I'm simply not a fan of any kind of spiders.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
24. I live surrounded by preserve land and we are lucky
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:26 AM
May 2020

We have tons of birds of prey and they get huge! This is in Southern RI.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
11. Many of these animals are going to be killed by idiot humans when
Mon May 4, 2020, 11:38 PM
May 2020

places reopen. I wish the animals rights groups would prepare ahead of time with relocation services to get the animals to safety. Humans are incredibly stupid when it comes to wildlife. They panic needlessly. Women jump on chairs and men grab flamethrowers or vice versa in some cases. These animals are in danger. And don't claim they have lost their fear of humans. That's bullshit. They have noticed humans have abandoned areas and are checking it out.

The human species leaves a lot to be desired.

I hope the animal rights groups are thinking about ways to handle this that protects the animals and not planning their next big dance when social distancing is over.

All the money people give them. Use it to protect the animals. I'm biased on that though, because the local "Humane Society" where I live puts animals down BEFORE putting pictures of them up on their Facebook page and uses all the money people give them to have "balls" and "cotillions." I put those in quotes because that is LITERALLY what THEY call them. They use that money to fucking party and have damn dances while they have numerous violations at their "shelter" and claim they are great. If you had to pay fines for 10 violations, don't claim to be great, then go off and dance the night away, assholes. The violations were for mold on the food and other neglectful stuff, but it was still uncalled for while they dance and party with the donations people give them. Oh, and the whistleblower was roundly ridiculed and called mentally ill and worse. Typical Richmond fucking piece of shit County, NC.

Yes, the local yocals pissed in my Cheerios. They always do, but I hope someone in the national animal groups might see this post and do something. I can forget the local yocals. They will just shoot anything they see on sight, as usual. No animals get rescued here, not even fire departments rescuing cats up trees or in the storm drain at the post office. That happened too. Drowning cat, lousy firemen who would not help it. I learned 30 years ago, nice things never happen where I live.

But, maybe, just maybe, in other places the animal rights groups will coordinate and get the animals to safety when the humans come back and run roughshod over the planet some more. I think lots of the national groups might actually be a big help then, just not where I fucking live. I actually dread my area returning to "normal," because there is nothing normal about these pro-Trump idiots.



I just had to get that off my chest.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
15. That is good news.
Mon May 4, 2020, 11:54 PM
May 2020

I needed to have some faith in humanity restored.

I would hate to see these animals hurt because humans can often be too afraid. Cautious is one thing, but as afraid as I have seen some people get has caused harm to the animals far too often. I have seen things I wish I never had to see, even by officials where I live. We didn't even have any animal cruelty laws in NC until just a few years ago.

There are ways to work things out. I just wish it could happen more where all involved can be safe.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
19. Here's something to ponder.
Tue May 5, 2020, 01:43 AM
May 2020

Even the worst case scenarios are not predicting human deaths that will actually lower the population.

Think about it.

Or, look at this: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy?time=1880..2015&country=USA+FRA+DEU

Oh, and you can play with that graph. Just click on the add country thing in the upper right hand corner and you'll be good to go.

It's an interesting graph about life expectancy. You can see that the 1918 flu epidemic had a HUGE impact on life expectancy, and that in various European countries WWII had a likewise strong impact.

What you cannot find is an actual decrease in population from the 1918 flu epidemic. Go ahead and search. I have, and can't find anything. Which means that as terrible as it was, it didn't actually lower the population. The flu epidemic briefly affected life expectancy. Once it ended, things went back to the same old same old.

Same thing here. This is terrible. A lot of people are dying. But the world population is over seven billion. A few hundred thousand deaths are meaningless.

calimary

(81,210 posts)
22. Kicking this!
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:19 AM
May 2020

I'd guess the lions are all enjoying the warm roadway, nicely heated in the sun. I probably would, too, if I were one of them.

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