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FreeState

(10,572 posts)
Tue May 5, 2020, 01:54 AM May 2020

Andy Slavitt: We've been lied to about the potential death toll in this country & it matters

Must read daily update from Slavitt.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1257477460519763969.html

IHME’s 60,000 declaration was a bomb let off by the White House. It sent a clear message— this virus is overblown hype. We got this. 60,000 is a number Americans can “tolerate.” It sounds vaguely like a bad flu.

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60,000 model assumes:
1-states without social distancing don’t have any outbreaks
2-no inter-state/international travel
3-The infection rate R0 goes below 1
4-There is no let up of social distancing
5-No state opens until they have <10 cases
6- It ends by August

(Snip)


Why do I say all these bogus numbers matter? Because releasing a model with these clearly unrealistic & favorable assumptions misled people. And with an infectious disease, one misled person can be enough.

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Andy Slavitt: We've been lied to about the potential death toll in this country & it matters (Original Post) FreeState May 2020 OP
The model was clear. It was explicit. Igel May 2020 #1
The Constant Reporting Of The Floor... ProfessorGAC May 2020 #5
The fact that we have exceeded that prediction makes debate moot. Ford_Prefect May 2020 #2
+100 abqtommy May 2020 #6
Nothing BUT misreading models exist as long as nationwide surveillance testing is not done. ancianita May 2020 #3
K&R, IHME assumptions beyond asinine and the new one is too assuming we'll have "testing" that's ... uponit7771 May 2020 #4
K&R Roland99 May 2020 #7

Igel

(35,300 posts)
1. The model was clear. It was explicit.
Tue May 5, 2020, 02:19 AM
May 2020

Any claim to the contrary is counterfactual and deserves little respect.

It's not misleading, it's misreading that's the problem.

ProfessorGAC

(65,021 posts)
5. The Constant Reporting Of The Floor...
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:43 AM
May 2020

...was also an issue.
When they dropped it from 66,000 to 60,000, the median of the model was 84,000 with a forced ceiling of 108,000.
If we looked the the model, the floor had an upward slope until early August. The media barely had a slope and the ceiling was flat for at least 6 weeks.
So, the model was, in fact, flawed to some marked degree but the consistent public release of only the floor value was deceiving.

Ford_Prefect

(7,896 posts)
2. The fact that we have exceeded that prediction makes debate moot.
Tue May 5, 2020, 05:08 AM
May 2020

The lies it is based on and the lying liars who have promoted it as throughly accurate are the problem.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
3. Nothing BUT misreading models exist as long as nationwide surveillance testing is not done.
Tue May 5, 2020, 05:30 AM
May 2020

If Trump knows this, he's saying nothing. "Just let it wash over the country" he says.

Our problem continues to be the toleration of biased samples that produce 'misleading' models.



uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
4. K&R, IHME assumptions beyond asinine and the new one is too assuming we'll have "testing" that's ...
Tue May 5, 2020, 05:52 AM
May 2020

... adequate.

They want us to die.

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