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We need spokespeople like this guy. Party, schmarty, he is good!!! (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth May 2020 OP
EXACTLY! elleng May 2020 #1
"Trump makes our allies tremble and our adversaries cheer." DemocratSinceBirth May 2020 #4
I certainly hope they don't do one about his batting average. gibraltar72 May 2020 #2
K&R smirkymonkey May 2020 #3
I love listening to him. LuckyCharms May 2020 #5
Holy Crap! Schmidt totally eviscerated trump!! Beautiful to watch! BComplex May 2020 #6
Here's my issue with these Lincoln guys: Yes, they are good at criticizing Trump, BUT Coventina May 2020 #7
+1 they are never trumpers rampartc May 2020 #8
But see, "never-Trumpers" is meaningless if they aren't talking about reforming the GOP. Coventina May 2020 #9
i do not disagree rampartc May 2020 #11
I apologize if I came off as yelling at you. That wasn't my intention. Coventina May 2020 #12
i know rampartc May 2020 #13
Thanks for the chuckle. Coventina May 2020 #14
i almost deleted that last part. rampartc May 2020 #15
I'm with you on that Leith May 2020 #19
100% Agree. Caliman73 May 2020 #16
I've seen interviews with Rick Wilson (another Lincoln Project founder) where he has renounced scarletwoman May 2020 #22
I'll admit: I know less about Rick Wilson than Steve Schmidt. Coventina May 2020 #23
Democrats should not be ashamed to "borrow" that message. kentuck May 2020 #10
Before I heap accolades on this man... abakan May 2020 #17
Yup. Exactly what we need. zentrum May 2020 #18
BRAVO! spanone May 2020 #20
Can the Democratic Party contract out a few Never Trumpers to work for Joe's campaign? LiberalLovinLug May 2020 #21
You nailed it. Never Trumpers are the beat attack dogs. Pepsidog May 2020 #24
And where were these "Never" (r)epuglicons during Nixon, Reagan and Bush 1, 2? erronis May 2020 #25

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
4. "Trump makes our allies tremble and our adversaries cheer."
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:15 PM
May 2020

"James Buchanan is smiling down from heaven that he is no longer America's worst president."


BComplex

(8,017 posts)
6. Holy Crap! Schmidt totally eviscerated trump!! Beautiful to watch!
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:31 PM
May 2020

This needs to be played all over social media until it is the preeminent characterization ever give of donald trump.

Wow. Beautiful.

Coventina

(27,052 posts)
7. Here's my issue with these Lincoln guys: Yes, they are good at criticizing Trump, BUT
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:36 PM
May 2020

THEY NEVER, EVER (from anything I've heard or seen) hold the REPUBLICAN PARTY RESPONSIBLE FOR ENABLING HIM!!!!

WHERE IS THE CRITICISM OF MCCONNELL??

WHERE IS THE CRITICISM OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN GENERAL FOR LETTING THIS HAPPEN!?!?!?!?!?

To me, this is like scolding a 2 year old (which Trump basically is) without holding his parents responsible for letting the little tyrant loose.

I'll praise them when I start seeing/hearing them do that.

Until then, I. Don't. Care.

rampartc

(5,383 posts)
8. +1 they are never trumpers
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:40 PM
May 2020

i like that they are doing this, but it is all that we can, or should, expect of them.

Coventina

(27,052 posts)
9. But see, "never-Trumpers" is meaningless if they aren't talking about reforming the GOP.
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:43 PM
May 2020

Because it's just going to happen again, and again, and again.


In fact, Steve Schmidt is one of the worst enablers of them all.

HE ALLOWED SARAH PALIN TO HAPPEN! Which, I would argue, only led to Trump and his ilk being taken seriously.

Fuck that guy.

Coventina

(27,052 posts)
12. I apologize if I came off as yelling at you. That wasn't my intention.
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:24 PM
May 2020

I just grow weary of the many DU threads I see praising these guys.
To me, it's all meaningless, and it irks me that DUers fall for it.

rampartc

(5,383 posts)
13. i know
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:36 PM
May 2020

we should never mistake these reptiles as decent people, but if they want to help take down trump i will stay out of their way. if trump loses we may pick up a few needed sears on congress and the states. if he wins he will certainly drag in a new brood.

if you need someone to yell at, go ahead. i've been married 40 years and doubt you'll say something i haven't heard.

Leith

(7,807 posts)
19. I'm with you on that
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:36 PM
May 2020

Where were these guys (and Nicole Wallace) when Newt and his gang were demonizing Democrats and President Clinton?

They were joining them and working their butts off to demonize, write editorials, work on campaigns, and, to paraphrase: They built that.

Until anyone who called him or herself a Republican at any time since the Reagan era should explain why they did that.

Caliman73

(11,722 posts)
16. 100% Agree.
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:48 PM
May 2020

Trump is the natural off shoot of conservative ideology. He is the lazy incompetent scion of an aristocratic family who ascends to the throne. Literally, conservatives are the advocates for the restoration of monarchical systems of government, except they have replaced divinely selected bloodlines with divinely selected capitalists.

While it is good to see the infighting, I agree that this is bigger than Trump. This is about the moral, ethical, and political bankruptcy of conservative/Republican ideology.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
22. I've seen interviews with Rick Wilson (another Lincoln Project founder) where he has renounced
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:48 PM
May 2020

the Republican party and called for its destruction.

Coventina

(27,052 posts)
23. I'll admit: I know less about Rick Wilson than Steve Schmidt.
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:57 PM
May 2020

So, I am glad to hear that at least one has left the GOP.

kentuck

(111,051 posts)
10. Democrats should not be ashamed to "borrow" that message.
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:50 PM
May 2020

Donald Trump is too incompetent to be President. No one has a monopoly or a trademark on the obvious truths. He does make "our allies tremble and our adversaries cheer". He is dangerous to the national security of this nation. Anything else needed?

abakan

(1,815 posts)
17. Before I heap accolades on this man...
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:27 PM
May 2020

I have to question his judgment and objective. He after all is responsible for the Palin nomination.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
21. Can the Democratic Party contract out a few Never Trumpers to work for Joe's campaign?
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:47 PM
May 2020

Democrats themselves are still clutching their pearls afraid of Fox News if they dare to be too mean. Republicans like Schmidt have had decades of practice. And yes, he will switch back over once a smarter Republican gets elected.

He was ruthless against Obama and will be again against Democrats:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/aug/31/uselections2008.barackobama

The current mastermind of the Republican attack machine is known as the Bullet. He is Steve Schmidt, a protégé of Bush's guru, Karl Rove. Nicknamed for his results as much as his bald head, he made his name as commander of the war room that wiped out Democrat John Kerry in 2004. Brought in to shake things up in July, Schmidt imposed discipline on a disorganised campaign. He dissuaded McCain from his off-the-cuff chats with reporters, and honed the focus solely on making Obama unelectable.

Schmidt works on the principles of repeating simple messages loudly and often. Ads attack Obama as a 'celebrity' or a faux-messiah. By doing so they hope to turn Obama's greatest strength - his ability to inspire - into a fatal flaw. That is backed up by another line: that Obama is simply not fit to be president. NotReady08 is the name of a website set up by the campaign. The language can be harsh. 'We are in the hunt for the White House. Barack Obama is going to have to step up with more than a smart tongue, snappy words and a nice suit,' said Maryland Republican politician Michael Steele.


But dammit, why are the most effective voices NOT affiliated with the party? Schmidt, Navarro, even Michael fricking Avenatti puts any elected Democrat to shame, ffs.

erronis

(15,170 posts)
25. And where were these "Never" (r)epuglicons during Nixon, Reagan and Bush 1, 2?
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:45 PM
May 2020

I'm leery of any messaging that makes self-identified (r)epuglicons look like they are against one of their own tribe.

Primatology tells us that us apes are perfectly capable of switching allegiances as the winds shift.

Admittedly there are no studies that I know of that mark (r)epuglicons as a separate species with unique genetic material. But there are many that show that a particular mind-set (conservative, fearful, protective, adulterous) are associated with types that gravitate to the (r)epressive ideologies.

Very few conservative pundits have hied to their conservative roots after W. Most have grown old and decayed. Some bleat a few times to try to stay in the game.

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