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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA guy on Facebook says that medical examiners are tagging all deaths as COVID-19 cases.
Car accident victims, cancer patients, gunshot wounds, all being recorded as death from COVID-19 to boost the death toll and discredit Trump.
I got a massive headache just now from trying to think down to that level.
Tree-Hugger
(3,369 posts)Someone is always saying this in the comments section of our daily county update. It comes right after they ask why LTCs and prison are counted in our totals.
CatWoman
(79,293 posts)hardly a day passes when some jackass loudly makes that claim.
On Facebook.
Delphinus
(11,823 posts)because they get extra money - not because they want the numbers to go up.
James48
(4,426 posts)That the hospitals get more from Medicaid for a Covid death, so all the hospitals are coding all the deaths that way.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)[link:https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/21/facebook-posts/Fact-check-Hospitals-COVID-19-payments/|]
[link:https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medicare-hospitals-covid-patients/|]
What I do know is that in NY they went back and re-examined a number of the deaths to determined what was Covid-19 or not. Nursing homes accounted for more than first reported. ME's when back to revise some of their reports after testing came back.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)to discredit the true death count and claim that Democrats are exaggerating.
If anything the count is being changed by Trump sympathizers to reduce the count of the dead from Covid.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)is pretending very loudly that he never does anything wrong and nothing is his fault.
They twist themselves into knots to do it. I mean, we're used to them lying about everything, but now it's gotten ridiculous. I got into it with a Trumpian neighbor who went to great lengths to say that Trump really was referring to sophisticated research studies showing that UV light and hydrogen peroxide can kill viruses and that's what he really meant... and then a day later, I said, "Trump said he was being sarcastic. So?"
Without missing a beat, "He was being sarcastic because the media is so stupid they didn't understand that he was referring to important medical research."
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Mariana
(14,854 posts)Response to Aristus (Original post)
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SouthernCal_Dem
(852 posts)That would require many thousands of medical examiners to all coordinate their efforts in order to hurt Trump.
Aristus
(66,274 posts)They make decisions based upon the best available evidence, not political situations.
Didn't make a dent. They're too far gone...
ProfessorGAC
(64,809 posts)...republican dominated county boards or mayors, at the city level.
So, even the Repub examiners are in on it?
LuckyCharms
(17,410 posts)Makes you wonder how they even come up with this stuff.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)friend in Arkansas she speaks to out of pity every once in a while who told her this exact talking point on the phone yesterday. Is this a Fox News talking point? It almost sounds like Alex Jones level lunacy.
It's criminally dangerous.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Mariana
(14,854 posts)It's purpose is to promote Democrats and undermine Republicans, and therefore it isn't trustworthy. That's what I've been told by my Trumpanzee relatives, when I've tried to refer them to that site.
There is no conspiracy theory too wild for them to believe, in order to protect their idiotic worldview.
coti
(4,612 posts)mn9driver
(4,417 posts)Lying is the only available way to support the Orange Prince of Lies. If they support Trump, they are liars.
Celerity
(43,056 posts)an official source, or at least one that is considered MSM (hell even Fux News, as even those berks don't have the jacobs to make up something that is THAT level of a bold-face lie)
He/she is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% full of shit.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,652 posts)A stage 2 patient in remission she is convinced died because of COVID-19 is being listed by the medical examiner as a cancer death instead of a COVID-19 death. Under reporting is far more likely happening than over reporting. Damn you just cannot fix stupid!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The ones in my paper usually say something like struggle with cancer or some such.
Though personally I wouldnt engage with such morons.
Jarqui
(10,119 posts)DBoon
(22,336 posts)Compare the current trend in deaths with the normal seasonally adjusted rate and you see the death rate take off in early March.
Dopesn't matter how the death is recorded, the trend is clear.
crickets
(25,949 posts)Aristus
(66,274 posts)n/t
crickets
(25,949 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Avoid the vapid. They are a heavy vexation and have always been with us, bless their little hearts.
They appear to not be able to think for themselves at all, but are skilled at being conveyors of other people's messages and then claim them as their own. Their disability stems from an extremely narrow range of information that only serves to stimulate their Dunning-Kruger enough to assure them they are correct in other people's assumptions.
They may never be able to comprehend the superficial and shallow nature of their own thinking, if you want to call it that. It might never dawn on the them that their intellectual poverty, when put into action, is a actually the greatest bane to freedom and democracy there may be. Relying on being told what to think, say and do and then claiming the propaganda and commands as your own is self-defeating and a tragedy for a society, as we are seeing.
The worst of us have become the loudest and most obnoxious puppets for authoritarians and are willing participants in their own destruction. Watch them prove that with gusto, fervor and self-righteousness. The arrested development of certain people living in a protracted adolescence could be the most dangerous threat to democracy we have seen so far. They live a meme-like existence and act on manipulated impulses only. No rational response may be possible for them.
maxsolomon
(33,232 posts)Fuck a guy on Facebook. Tell him to provide sources or GTFO. He won't.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)He offered NO specific examples
I believe it was on Laura Ingraham so, of course, MAGAts took off with it
Edit: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medicare-hospitals-covid-patients/
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,389 posts)Apparently, while it may be true that hospitals get paid more for Covid patients (duh, why wouldn't they when they need more supplies, PPE, etc?), there have been no findings of fraudulent payments.
totodeinhere
(13,056 posts)as such.
spinbaby
(15,088 posts)My countys Facebook group keeps getting links to a YouTube video about some kind of Covid conspiracy, followed by a complaint that YouTube took it down, followed by another link to the video, rinse and repeat.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,389 posts)Aristus
(66,274 posts)They're both rapid Trumpanzees, but I don't have the heart to kick them off my friends list, if for no other reason than that they're not abusive toward me.
I was dismayed, but not surprised when I got back in touch with them after so many years, to find out they were hard-core right-wingnuts.
I looked up another guy I served in the Gulf with, and was pleasantly surprised to find out he's a pretty vocal liberal activist in Massachusetts.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,389 posts)I understand keeping around if they're not abusive but I imagine they're hard to discuss politics with. I created a list of people on FB that I feel safe sharing political posts with. I don't think I actually have any Trumpers on my FB but I have a lot of far left-wing friends (talking anarchists, accelerationists) whom can sometimes be equally challenging to debate typical political stuff with.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)feds give them more money for these deaths????
panader0
(25,816 posts)Headache is right. It's too bad because he is a great drummer.
(Cue drummer jokes)
Alex4Martinez
(2,191 posts)My son in law is among these folks, unfortunately.
ProfessorGAC
(64,809 posts)Just tell them they're lying.
Use their tactics against them.
Anything like this, call it a lie & fake news!
Bluesaph
(703 posts)Who works in a hospital told him so its true. 🙄
Because you know all nurses know about all deaths in a hospital, right?