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kentuck

(111,497 posts)
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:22 PM May 2020

How is it possible?

That a nation with perhaps the strongest military in the world, with three separate branches of government, with the power to hold each of them accountable, finds itself enslaved to a tyrant and dictator wannabe?

That permits him to lie, rob, and steal, and even, to betray this nation, and they do not lift a finger to stop him?

How is it that no one can hold him accountable to the laws of our Constitution?

Because a chain is only as strong as the weakest link and a government is only as strong as its weakest branch.

At this time, the weak link in our government that prohibits any oversight and corrupts the entire function of government, is the US Senate.

The person that leads the US Senate is Mitch McConnell, Republican from Kentucky. He, even more than the tyrant in the White House, is responsible for the condition of our nation.

That is the weak link that needs to be fixed immediately.

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How is it possible? (Original Post) kentuck May 2020 OP
Precisely leftieNanner May 2020 #1
And if the election is rigged, what then? SoonerPride May 2020 #6
I try not to think about that nt leftieNanner May 2020 #10
History holds the answer to that. Grokenstein May 2020 #20
Foreign armies did in Mussolini. former9thward May 2020 #35
Because of well-placed co-conspirators. And Fox "news". BComplex May 2020 #2
Guns, guns, and more guns. Baked Potato May 2020 #3
Then Democrats, Democrats, and more Democrats. calimary May 2020 #22
Agreed, I said it a few times here, too. Massive turnout. Baked Potato May 2020 #33
The Founding Fathers Freddie May 2020 #4
Because we the people accept it. SoonerPride May 2020 #5
I have my pitchfork and torch at the ready whenever We the People decides to do something. rickyhall May 2020 #16
Same! LymphocyteLover May 2020 #26
This exactly world wide wally May 2020 #17
Ok, please organize that riot LymphocyteLover May 2020 #25
WElcome to DU. SoonerPride May 2020 #27
Thanks! LymphocyteLover May 2020 #31
THat is a totally bogus argument. PLenty of us are doing all we know to do and . Amaryllis May 2020 #30
Just remember an eye for an eye. ffr May 2020 #7
They are already whining and protesting BBG May 2020 #28
Sorry to disagree but KS Toronado May 2020 #44
Helluva "weak link." cwydro May 2020 #8
There has been a decades-long plan to put the watchdogs to sleep dlk May 2020 #9
McConnell and Barr are in on it. Roberts is weak. BadgerMom May 2020 #11
The Constitution is weakest in removing miscreants from any office bucolic_frolic May 2020 #12
+100 kentuck May 2020 #36
Do we really want the mitary stepping in???? I don't. marble falls May 2020 #13
No we don't. sarge43 May 2020 #19
I think the simplest answer is Mitch McConnell TNNurse May 2020 #14
Well stated. And follow the money to McTurtle's actions. Chang, China, USSR(ussia), Koch, Mercer erronis May 2020 #15
He is making the wealthy among them richer LiberalArkie May 2020 #18
Chief Justice John Roberts EleanorR May 2020 #21
So tell us, how is this "fixed immediately?" ehrnst May 2020 #23
Do you believe the impeachment process back in January was necessary? kentuck May 2020 #37
So, what would censure do to "fix it immediately?" ehrnst May 2020 #41
In this case, "fixing immediately" is recognizing the problem and communicating it effectively... kentuck May 2020 #42
I will tell you how! Because the big donors control a huge swath of our politicians. Dustlawyer May 2020 #24
I have long thought the same thing. The other question is how does Turtle hold the entire Amaryllis May 2020 #29
It's the nature of the beast, I suppose? kentuck May 2020 #38
Lemmings. Still, one would think that there still a few left among them, but I guess those Amaryllis May 2020 #39
The "How" Is indeed the Majority Leader of the Senate. A HERETIC I AM May 2020 #32
My basic thoughts Wolves ov Siberia May 2020 #34
the Founding Fathers did not envision an entire party enabling a dictator-wannabe Skittles May 2020 #40
A corrupt and alternately funded GOP Senate. TNNurse May 2020 #43
Because hate AM media for almost 40 years has been blasting propaganda Tumbulu May 2020 #45

leftieNanner

(15,338 posts)
1. Precisely
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:36 PM
May 2020

But we will have to wait until January 3, 2021. Unfortunately.

Barring anything untoward happening to Moscow Mitch.

Grokenstein

(5,757 posts)
20. History holds the answer to that.
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:42 PM
May 2020

A breaking point is not achieved by every individual at once, but once it's been passed by enough people, all the niceties of civilization are pushed aside until the problem is corrected. That's the mistake so many make: presuming that some argument about hypocrisy or some dose of whataboutism is going to maintain the status quo in the monster's favor.

One might ask Benito Mussolini how that worked out for him.

former9thward

(32,597 posts)
35. Foreign armies did in Mussolini.
Wed May 6, 2020, 06:32 PM
May 2020

He only met his end when he had been thrown out of power by the Allies. History is actually much more full of tyrants who met peaceful ends than were overthrown.

BComplex

(8,533 posts)
2. Because of well-placed co-conspirators. And Fox "news".
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:37 PM
May 2020

People are really scared of Donald Trump and Fox "news", and their ability to create an army of armed and mentally ill insurgents.

calimary

(82,458 posts)
22. Then Democrats, Democrats, and more Democrats.
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:48 PM
May 2020

EVERYWHERE that it's possible to vote for one.

We need a TOTAL housecleaning. From local to national and national to local.

Voters of America, do not fail us in November! If you do fail us in November, you'll wind up failing YOURSELVES. AS WELL.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
33. Agreed, I said it a few times here, too. Massive turnout.
Wed May 6, 2020, 06:14 PM
May 2020

Nothing else will work while avoiding violence.

Freddie

(9,362 posts)
4. The Founding Fathers
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:47 PM
May 2020

In their infinite wisdom, did not consider a corrupt Senate propping up their corrupt President.
Regarding the 25th Amendment, there needs to be an independent commission of physicians and mental health professionals to assess the fitness of the President to serve. As in the past, the corrupt ruling party props up an President no longer fit to serve. See Reagan, Ronald.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
5. Because we the people accept it.
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:49 PM
May 2020

If we did not accept there would be riots and the burning down of the White House and dragging him out on the street.

But instead we accept it.

And on it goes.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
16. I have my pitchfork and torch at the ready whenever We the People decides to do something.
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:29 PM
May 2020

I have never accepted the crooked GOP.

Amaryllis

(9,576 posts)
30. THat is a totally bogus argument. PLenty of us are doing all we know to do and .
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:28 PM
May 2020

certainly do not accept it. WHat exactly do you propose we do?

ffr

(22,761 posts)
7. Just remember an eye for an eye.
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:57 PM
May 2020

When we get into power, I don't want to hear any descension when it's our turn to return the favor and steamroll the constitution, their rights, their norms.

Until they're whining and protesting in the streets, we haven't gone far enough.

BBG

(2,695 posts)
28. They are already whining and protesting
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:18 PM
May 2020

About wearing masks ffs. Better get another threshold for that whiny bunch.

KS Toronado

(18,143 posts)
44. Sorry to disagree but
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:42 PM
May 2020

Why lower ourselves to their standards? We need voters to see Democrats as honest,caring, and forgiving, not as whining, protesting con artists like the republicOns are.

dlk

(11,846 posts)
9. There has been a decades-long plan to put the watchdogs to sleep
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:03 PM
May 2020

As we are seeing, the plan has worked quite well.

BadgerMom

(2,841 posts)
11. McConnell and Barr are in on it. Roberts is weak.
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:07 PM
May 2020

Thank god we have Pelosi guarding the House. People sometimes complain she hasn’t accomplished enough and I wince. She and our House majority have been the one guard rail that’s been strong enough to hold. God knows where we’d be without them.

bucolic_frolic

(44,560 posts)
12. The Constitution is weakest in removing miscreants from any office
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:07 PM
May 2020

The Founding Fathers studied history and certainly read a history of the Roman Empire. They must have known a Senate could become oligarchy. Perhaps they concluded sheer numbers and patriotism in the founding generation sense would prevail, and they certainly feared but could do little about the rise of party, or factions as they called them. See Federalist No. 10.

But the U.S. has removed so few from any office it's almost laughable. Crooks are more likely to quit from embarrassment than to be impeached and convicted.

TNNurse

(6,989 posts)
14. I think the simplest answer is Mitch McConnell
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:23 PM
May 2020

if he were not in the Senate we could have had him removed....and a whole lot of other positive things.

erronis

(15,973 posts)
15. Well stated. And follow the money to McTurtle's actions. Chang, China, USSR(ussia), Koch, Mercer
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:25 PM
May 2020

Murdoch, Ayn Rand disciples.

kentuck

(111,497 posts)
37. Do you believe the impeachment process back in January was necessary?
Wed May 6, 2020, 08:00 PM
May 2020

They could impeach him again, but at what price?

The partisan divide is too far apart to bridge the divides?

It would certainly fan the flames of partisanship.

Perhaps, instead of another impeachment, they could pass a vote to censure?

It might be of great value, to get a vote by each Republican Senator, just to verify that 100% are with him? But, it would get them on the record.

A censure might not be a bad idea, considering that Herr Trump felt liberated by the last impeachment.

Think outside the box.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. So, what would censure do to "fix it immediately?"
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:18 AM
May 2020

What effect would that have on Trump? Could it possibly backfire and make him lash out like a cornered animal?



If by "thinking outside the box" you mean do something different but ulitimately ineffective, or perhaps something he sees as reason to dig in even more, to get Trump to "change," I don't see the point, other than it would make some people feel validated in their anxiety that "someone" is "doing something."

kentuck

(111,497 posts)
42. In this case, "fixing immediately" is recognizing the problem and communicating it effectively...
Thu May 7, 2020, 09:14 AM
May 2020

...to those that think differently from you.

People need to understand the role of Mitch McConnell and the Republicans. They may agree with them and they may not?

But the purpose of a "censure" would be to force Republicans to run on what they are hiding from.

Of course, it would not require a vote from the Senate to "censure" him. But if he has earned it, give it to him.

It would be a partisan statement but that is the only language the dictator understands. It would show him that he is not beyond criticism or accountability.

Dustlawyer

(10,504 posts)
24. I will tell you how! Because the big donors control a huge swath of our politicians.
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:12 PM
May 2020

They don't really need us to win their elections, just a lot of money and a lot of low information voters. Since they have destroyed public education they have everything they need!

Amaryllis

(9,576 posts)
29. I have long thought the same thing. The other question is how does Turtle hold the entire
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:24 PM
May 2020

GOP hostage to do his bidding.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,433 posts)
32. The "How" Is indeed the Majority Leader of the Senate.
Wed May 6, 2020, 05:23 PM
May 2020

Moscow Mitch is the one and ONLY reason Trumpy is still in power, of that there can be no doubt

If he had any real love for this country, he would have had him out in the first 18 months, but McConnell is interested in only one thing at this point: Stacking the judiciary with young, radically right wing, lifetime appointments.

He knows for sure, that the demographics in this country are shifting, and that the days of the popularity of conservative political ideology are numbered. The only way he can stem the tidal wave of shifting public opinion headed right for him and others like him, is to stack the courts with ideologues who will rule in a way they want, despite public opinion to the contrary.

Skittles

(154,452 posts)
40. the Founding Fathers did not envision an entire party enabling a dictator-wannabe
Wed May 6, 2020, 08:25 PM
May 2020

that's how it is possible

Tumbulu

(6,367 posts)
45. Because hate AM media for almost 40 years has been blasting propaganda
Thu May 7, 2020, 07:30 PM
May 2020

about liberals, and bad government and everything else. Then Fox News started on TV and it was all amplified.

And not challenged.

Those of us who have been picked on and scared of these bullies our adult lives were ignored by our urban friends and families.

But now, they whole nation is being held hostage by these forces of evil.

And evil they are.

Get rid of hate AM radio for starters!

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