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RandySF

(58,511 posts)
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:11 PM May 2020

Trump and some top aides question accuracy of virus death toll

President Trump has complained to advisers about the way coronavirus deaths are being calculated, suggesting the real numbers are actually lower — and a number of his senior aides share this view, according to sources with direct knowledge.

What's next: A senior administration official said he expects the president to begin publicly questioning the death toll as it closes in on his predictions for the final death count and damages him politically.

The U.S. death toll has surpassed 71,000, with more than 1.2 million confirmed cases, according to the latest figures.

Trump's engagement could amplify a partisan gulf we saw in this week's Axios-Ipsos Coronavirus Index over believing the death statistics.

Reality check: There is no evidence the death rate has been exaggerated, and experts believe coronavirus deaths in the U.S. are being undercounted — not over-counted.

Behind the scenes: The official said Trump has vented that the numbers seem inflated and has brought up New York's addition of more than 3,000 unconfirmed but suspected COVID-19 cases to its death toll.

Some members of the president's team believe the government has created a distorting financial incentive for hospitals to identify coronavirus cases, the official also said.
A second senior official said they shared this concern.

Medicare is giving hospitals a 20% bonus for their treatment of coronavirus patients, as a way to help them make up for the money they’re losing because they’ve had to postpone a lot of non-coronavirus care.

Intentionally misdiagnosing patients with coronavirus would be fraud, and so far no one in the administration has publicly leveled such an accusation.



https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-death-toll-d8ba60a4-316b-4d1e-8595-74970c15fb34.html?stream=politics&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alerts_politics

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Trump and some top aides question accuracy of virus death toll (Original Post) RandySF May 2020 OP
Of course they do . . . Iliyah May 2020 #1
Trump and top aides continue to be delusional Rorey May 2020 #2
Here we go. Squinch May 2020 #3
This will be his new mantra.....such a bullshitter. spanone May 2020 #4
I question those numbers too, as many people do. They're way too low. Where are the TESTS? nt crickets May 2020 #5
I agree. The death toll is HIGHER than the official figures. Vogon_Glory May 2020 #11
So fucking tired of their lies!! bluestarone May 2020 #6
Had to know that was coming ... Jarqui May 2020 #7
Well they are right. The official death toll is inaccurate. But it's not the way that Trump is totodeinhere May 2020 #8
I reject your so-called reality and substitute my own gratuitous May 2020 #9
We're going to go full-on North Korea. Girard442 May 2020 #10
Yea folks Chainfire May 2020 #12
The spike in CDC deaths debunks this ThoughtCriminal May 2020 #13

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
1. Of course they do . . .
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:17 PM
May 2020

what a horrible administration/republicans and the effed up guy in the WH.

To question death amounts which I'm pretty sure is a lot more.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
2. Trump and top aides continue to be delusional
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:18 PM
May 2020

It's as if they're trying to live in an alternate universe where everything is the opposite of reality.

Vogon_Glory

(9,109 posts)
11. I agree. The death toll is HIGHER than the official figures.
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:35 PM
May 2020

The NYC metro area. Has more dead, Florida’s numbers are definitely suspect, and I don’t trust my state government (Texas) either.

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
8. Well they are right. The official death toll is inaccurate. But it's not the way that Trump is
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:26 PM
May 2020

spinning it. It's the other way around. The official death toll is severely under counting deaths from covid.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. I reject your so-called reality and substitute my own
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:29 PM
May 2020

That damn fascination with evidence keeps stopping Trump from being the unqualified success he's conferred on himself. Unfair!

Girard442

(6,066 posts)
10. We're going to go full-on North Korea.
Wed May 6, 2020, 02:33 PM
May 2020
Glorious Leader has ended the pandemic. People are no longer dying of COVID-19. Says so right here on this official chart.

Chainfire

(17,471 posts)
12. Yea folks
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:05 PM
May 2020

Nobody has really died of Covid-19......It is all a giant conspiracy invented by the Democrats to make Trump look bad......

Trump is trying to disprove the old saying that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people

ThoughtCriminal

(14,046 posts)
13. The spike in CDC deaths debunks this
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:48 PM
May 2020

The overall death rate is way above normal. The only reasonable explanation is COVID-19 related deaths. If non-COVID deaths were being misattributed, we would expect lower than normal seasonal rates for other causes. This is not happening.

Not only are we probably undercounting by a substantial margin, but because of the damage that COVID inflicts on survivors, in the near future, there will be escalated death rates for "other" causes.

DC Data Suggest Death Toll From COVID-19 May Be Higher Than Reported
https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/cdc-data-suggest-death-toll-from-covid-19-may-be-higher-than-reported

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