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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGOP SCOTUS judges tell Trump's lawyer that he should argue justiciability in SCOTUS-case.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/6/1942925/-Did-SCOTUS-order-Supplemental-Briefs-in-order-to-Benefit-Trump-s-Case-It-sure-looks-like-it?utm_campaign=trendingIt was after reading VClibs excellent piece that I came across the news at SCOTUSblog that on April 27 this year, SCOTUS issued this supplemental order:
The parties and the Solicitor General are directed to file supplemental letter briefs addressing whether the political question doctrine or related justiciability principles bear on the Court's adjudication of these cases. The briefs, not to exceed 15 pages, are to be filed simultaneously with the Clerk and served upon opposing counsel on or before 2 p.m., Friday, May 8, 2020.
I had no idea what this meant so I turned to the Opening Arguments podcast with Andrew Torrez and Thomas Smith for a layman-friendly explanation. It was an eye-opener and the ramifications are not pretty.
These two points are crucial to understanding why this supplemental order is pivotal:
the political and justiciability question is a pro-Trump argument (VClib covers this argument in in his story)
yet Trumps lawyer failed to include this argument in the 65-page brief he presented to SCOTUS.
...
He explains what this order is about.
I want to tell you what this is. This is the conservative howler monkey* contingent at the Supreme Court looking at these briefs and going Holy clown horn**, even I cant vote for this. This is so bad and so stupid that it does not pass the Brett Kavanaugh test. It does not pass the Sam Alito test.
...
In 65 pages, Jay Sekulow failed to give the right-wing justices an argument they could support. Worse still, the House Democrats case is particularly strong. Therefore, in order to hand Sekulow the only straw worth clutching, the right-wing justices decided to provide him with an argument via a supplemental order.
As Andrew Torrez put it in his inimitable style:
This is the conservative wing of the Court going, Hey you didnt argue X but wed like you to have argued X. And now, will you argue X for us.
It is absolutely throwing them a life preserver saying, Hey wed like to rule that this is non-justiciable so write that up so then we can say that question was presented to us, even though you did not present that question to us.
The parties and the Solicitor General are directed to file supplemental letter briefs addressing whether the political question doctrine or related justiciability principles bear on the Court's adjudication of these cases. The briefs, not to exceed 15 pages, are to be filed simultaneously with the Clerk and served upon opposing counsel on or before 2 p.m., Friday, May 8, 2020.
I had no idea what this meant so I turned to the Opening Arguments podcast with Andrew Torrez and Thomas Smith for a layman-friendly explanation. It was an eye-opener and the ramifications are not pretty.
These two points are crucial to understanding why this supplemental order is pivotal:
the political and justiciability question is a pro-Trump argument (VClib covers this argument in in his story)
yet Trumps lawyer failed to include this argument in the 65-page brief he presented to SCOTUS.
...
He explains what this order is about.
I want to tell you what this is. This is the conservative howler monkey* contingent at the Supreme Court looking at these briefs and going Holy clown horn**, even I cant vote for this. This is so bad and so stupid that it does not pass the Brett Kavanaugh test. It does not pass the Sam Alito test.
...
In 65 pages, Jay Sekulow failed to give the right-wing justices an argument they could support. Worse still, the House Democrats case is particularly strong. Therefore, in order to hand Sekulow the only straw worth clutching, the right-wing justices decided to provide him with an argument via a supplemental order.
As Andrew Torrez put it in his inimitable style:
This is the conservative wing of the Court going, Hey you didnt argue X but wed like you to have argued X. And now, will you argue X for us.
It is absolutely throwing them a life preserver saying, Hey wed like to rule that this is non-justiciable so write that up so then we can say that question was presented to us, even though you did not present that question to us.
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GOP SCOTUS judges tell Trump's lawyer that he should argue justiciability in SCOTUS-case. (Original Post)
DetlefK
May 2020
OP
5X
(3,972 posts)1. Wouldn't that be the judges writing the law?
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)3. No. It would be like a teacher giving the answers to the exam to his favorite student.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)2. Man I hate these people ... (nt)
Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)4. The Notorious RBG should have something to say about this
It certainly reveals their bias. I wonder if that kind of directive is unprecedented.
onenote
(42,701 posts)8. see post#7
Mike Niendorff
(3,461 posts)5. K&R.
Really, really, really worth reading.
MDN
theaocp
(4,237 posts)6. Give us power and impeach all five of them.
Degoutant.
dware
(12,375 posts)9. They're not going to be impeached, even if the Dems take back the Senate,
it takes 67 Senators voting to convict and remove a SC Justice, and we're certainly not going to get 67 Dem. Senators.
dware
(12,375 posts)10. Also, read post#7 by onenote. nt
onenote
(42,701 posts)7. While not routine, orders for supplemental briefing are not unheard of either.
Appelllate courts, including the Supreme Court, will on occasion ask for supplemental briefing on an issue if it hasn't been addressed by the parties and could be decisional, such as questions of justiciability or standing. It's no surprise that there is no indication in the order that any of the Justices objected.