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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do we know about this Judge that is going to rule on Flynn's case this Monday?
Do Barr and Trump already have an idea about how he will vote? Otherwise, why bring it up at this time?
I hope this Judge holds firm for the law and that it is appealed to the Supreme Court. It would be a landmark decision.
How much powers would they permit the Executive Branch to hold, as they are presumed to be an equal Branch, also?
Or would they just refuse to take it?
All the information, Mueller Report and all, need to be made public. The people need to know the facts of the matter.
The Court may decide that this Justice Department, with Bill Barr, has gone too far in putting the Three Branches out of balance, and that justice should run its course?
Or they may rule that the Attorney General has the final say on legal proceedings in process. He can stop them at any time and state that the defendant did not mean to plead "guilty".
Of course, we have to see what the Judge on Monday says about it.
hlthe2b
(105,731 posts)previously gone against Trump admin on immigration issues. This is anything but a done deal.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Judge could well put off the case again.
TREASON is imho, an 'epidemic' word for trump - and Senate republicons, and republicons everywhere.
kentuck
(112,491 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)still isolationist. FDR ran as an isolationist in 1940.
Pearl Harbor had a big impact, but the Congress did not move against the American Bund, with large German American populations from Pennsylvania to Texas. Voters didn't sufficiently get the threat.
When hitler declared war against the US a few days later, the public started to get it, closer to home, and a significant, inner threat to the US Government. Soon after, the Bund was declared illegal. [Prescott Bush and Joe Kennedy had to sharply change their 'tunes'].
[I think I understand the DU frustration with the republicon blocs not getting the threat of trump, or Covid 19. However, in historical context, the slow movements on those kind of very serious issues, - is very easy to anticipate].
MyOwnPeace
(17,240 posts)that has ordered to see the "complete" Mueller report without Billy Barr's "editing?"
Solomon
(12,460 posts)Very independent. I practiced before both of them. They do the right thing.
On the other hand, they are also human. The pressure on them right now is enormous. They will definitely suffer for doing the right thing.
I'm surprised they haven't been reassigned to get them off of these cases. If that does happen, remember that I said that might happen.
MyOwnPeace
(17,240 posts)I take comfort in trusting the "wisdom of Solomon!"
tblue37
(66,035 posts)somehow, I don't see him cooperating. Trump will still probably pardon Flynn, but it will look bad, which is the political price Barr was trying to protect him from.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)kacekwl
(7,394 posts)Record every phone call, video every meeting, save every e-mail. Not just his but any staff member, employees, spouse if any. Before and after the decision. Barr will stop at nothing to please his Orange popsicle. I hope some forward thinking patriot has Barr being followed and his "wires tapped" .
Ninga
(8,525 posts)will hold a hearing to hear from the DOJ
Big fucking deal. Listen and then what, say oh well, next case?
Nothing will happen because.......
Solomon
(12,460 posts)the conviction, he will have to hold a hearing to cover himself.
Ninga
(8,525 posts)how will the judge over ride? If they drop charges then what?
I will watch with no hope because
kentuck
(112,491 posts)If it is in the Judge's court?
Ninga
(8,525 posts)DOJ the judge applies the laws. If the charges are dropped, no case. Right?
PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)the case against Flynn has already been tried and Flynn plead guilty under a plea deal agreed to by all parties. I would think that at that point, the only thing that hasn't been settled is his sentencing, which lies solely with Judge Sullivan.
LastDemocratInSC
(3,809 posts)Solomon
(12,460 posts)The judge needs to hold a hearing to expose the smoke and mirrors being employed. After the hearing sentence the guy and let him sit in jail while he appeals to the Supreme court. If a proper record is made during the hearing, I don't see how the Supreme court would overturn the conviction except to flat out upend our justice system.
lark
(23,950 posts)It's what rw fascists do.
mopinko
(71,503 posts)sure hope they have a quick sketch artist on duty, cuz i'm thinkin the judge is gonna have quite a bit to say.
there are 2 courts in america. the legal ones, and the court of public opinion.
we are starting to see more people telling the unvarnished truth.
the record of their crimes is gonna be tried on the front pages for decades.
hopefully they all get life sentences.
Ninga
(8,525 posts)DOJ dropped charges.
There is no longer a case.
Judge has nothing to adjudicate.
Flynn walks.
kentuck
(112,491 posts)I don't think he works for Bill Barr? Or does he?
It seems to me that the Judge can only be over-ruled by a higher Judge - like the Supreme Court?
Ninga
(8,525 posts)Solomon
(12,460 posts)Legislative or executive branches.
sl8
(16,176 posts)Its Not a Done Deal Yet: DOJ Doesnt Have the Final Word on Michael Flynn, the Judge Does
Motion (PDF):
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/05/07/flynn.pdf
Ninga
(8,525 posts)this paragraph taken from article.
Yet Rossi, the former prosecutor, said something akin to legal lunacy would predictably occur if the judge forces the case to continue. Were the judge to order the case to proceed, the prosecution would likely not call witnesses or even show up to court. And, that would be ridiculous. Rossi called the procedural moves a de facto back door pardon for Flynn.
Solomon
(12,460 posts)GusBob
(7,478 posts)Spoke on this subject on the radio today. And he disagrees with you.
he said this judge ( paraphrase) smells out bullshit and does not tolerate such
he can and probably will call a hearing
Ninga
(8,525 posts)It fully explains what recourse, and not, the judge has.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/doj-is-close-to-getting-michael-flynn-a-legal-outcome-that-is-far-better-than-a-trump-pardon/
Solomon
(12,460 posts)stand. The judge should sentence him and Flynn can then file whatever appeal he thinks he has but hopefully he will sit in jail pending appeal.
I spent 20 years practicing before Judge Sullivan and Judge Walton and I can tell you, they don't go for bullshitting. They take their work very seriously.
If he doesn't hold a hearing then people will just keep spouting the lies that are in their motion in support of exonerating Flynn.