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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
Sun May 10, 2020, 01:53 AM May 2020

Nicotine as a Potential Therapy for COVID?

No one is suggesting that people take up smoking to fight COVID. Cigarettes are full of nasty stuff that weakens your lungs. However, some researchers have concluded that

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7192087/

we noticed that most of the clinical characteristics of severe COVID-19 could be explained by dysregulation of the cholinergic anti-inflammatory system.


I have been writing about this lately (see my old journals for more). My theory is that COVID affects the various cranial nerves including the vagus which in turn weakens the body's natural cholinergic system.

What readily available medications can augment a weakened cholinergic system? One is nicotine

The authors of this editorial write:

Once someone is infected with SARS-CoV-2, the immune system is mobilized. As the virus replicates, cell and viral debris or virions may interact with the nAChRs blocking the action of the cholinergic anti-inflammatory pathway. If the initial immune response is not enough to combat the viral invasion at an early stage, the extensive and prolonged replication of the virus will eventually block a large part the cholinergic anti-inflammatory pathway seriously compromising its ability to control and regulate the immune response. The uncontrolled action of pro-inflammatory cytokines will result in the development of cytokine storm, with acute lung injury leading to ARDS, coagulation disturbances and multiorgan failure. Based on this hypothesis, COVID-19 appears to eventually become a disease of the nicotinic cholinergic system. Nicotine could maintain or restore the function of the cholinergic anti-inflammatory system and thus control the release and activity of pro-inflammatory cytokines. This could prevent or suppress the cytokine storm. This hypothesis needs to be examined in the laboratory and the clinical setting.


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Nicotine as a Potential Therapy for COVID? (Original Post) McCamy Taylor May 2020 OP
I read several published articles about nicotine and Covid19. Not being trained in medicine, most napi21 May 2020 #1
Me too. tazkcmo May 2020 #8
What do you know about SuPAR(s) involvement in this pathway? Backseat Driver May 2020 #2
Smoking does help with social distancing. I know I give smokers a wide berth . . . Journeyman May 2020 #3
Even when they're NOT smoking. NurseJackie May 2020 #9
Yeah, I'm amazed my mother was able to hug me back when I was a smoker. Jedi Guy May 2020 #10
I'm "retroactively ashamed" of how awful I must have smelled to others. NurseJackie May 2020 #11
Same here, with the retroactive shame. Jedi Guy May 2020 #12
If CV messes around with the vagus nerve, that explains the GI symptoms. roamer65 May 2020 #4
According to WHO smoking kills more than 8 million people a year. CentralMass May 2020 #5
And? DrToast May 2020 #15
You can figure it out on your own. nt USALiberal May 2020 #20
Fortunately, there are several ways to get nicotine Mariana May 2020 #16
Or tobacco, vapers get the pure juice of nicotine with none of the tars from that filthy plant Baclava May 2020 #17
The hypothesis could cause a shortage of nicotine patches. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2020 #6
What does "the clinical setting" mean? planetc May 2020 #7
Basically, yes...clinical trals involving people...nt Wounded Bear May 2020 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Nature Man May 2020 #14
And I just quit smoking in November MiniMe May 2020 #18
From 2004, Medical uses of nicotine, a review McCamy Taylor May 2020 #19
I said to a smoking coworker soon after the virus... Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #21
1985 study, nicotine cuts down apneic spells in sleep apnea McCamy Taylor May 2020 #22

napi21

(45,806 posts)
1. I read several published articles about nicotine and Covid19. Not being trained in medicine, most
Sun May 10, 2020, 02:15 AM
May 2020

of the articles are way beyond my understanding. I do however find it very humorous that every scientist who says it shows promise and should be studied, but also feels compelled to say "we are not advocating that everyone take up smoking." I understand that too, but wouldn't it be funny if the smoking habit actually had a positive note? Yes, as a smoker I find it quite funny.

Backseat Driver

(4,392 posts)
2. What do you know about SuPAR(s) involvement in this pathway?
Sun May 10, 2020, 02:30 AM
May 2020

I found this an interesting substance having to do with severity of illness.

Does it fit into your hypothesis of controlling cytokine storms or nicotine as a pharmaceutical therapy?

I'm thinking we're missing something about viral load from initial contact through replication - perhaps "timing is everything" to prevent advanced severity???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuPAR

Jedi Guy

(3,189 posts)
10. Yeah, I'm amazed my mother was able to hug me back when I was a smoker.
Sun May 10, 2020, 09:43 AM
May 2020

Especially since she's an ex-smoker herself. It wasn't until after I quit smoking (and took up vaping) that I realized just how awful cigarettes really smell, and how awful they make smokers smell. The strength of a mother's love, I guess!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. I'm "retroactively ashamed" of how awful I must have smelled to others.
Sun May 10, 2020, 10:40 AM
May 2020

And I'm horrified that I'd smoke in the house... with kids in the house. (We just never thought about things like that.)

And when I look at old movies... EVERYONE smokes. I watch Perry Mason on "CBS All Access" streaming, and I wonder if it was sponsored by some cigarette company. And then there are the old movies and TV shows where people are smoking on an airplane... not a care in the world, no worries, and it's perfectly normal (for the time).

With the current price of cigarettes in Maryland... at a carton a week (my old habit)... that's over $3380.00 a year that could be spent on something else.

Jedi Guy

(3,189 posts)
12. Same here, with the retroactive shame.
Sun May 10, 2020, 10:43 AM
May 2020

I smoked in my apartment, I smoked in my car. My clothing reeked of it. Hell, I have a lot of RPG books that are out of print and extremely hard to find... but even if I wanted to sell them, I probably couldn't. They still smell like smoke.

And yeah, what really did it for me and my wife was the cost. Between the two of us, we were literally burning about $25 per day, so about $9000 a year. When we quit smoking and switched to vaping, we were astounded at how much "extra" money we suddenly had. We joke that when we were smoking, we were playing life on hard mode.

I'm glad you were able to kick the habit!

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
4. If CV messes around with the vagus nerve, that explains the GI symptoms.
Sun May 10, 2020, 03:14 AM
May 2020

The vagus nerve serves the GI tract.

Sounds like nicotine patches could be a treatment, if this article is accurate.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
5. According to WHO smoking kills more than 8 million people a year.
Sun May 10, 2020, 03:56 AM
May 2020
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco
"Key facts
Tobacco kills up to half of its users.
Tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke."
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
17. Or tobacco, vapers get the pure juice of nicotine with none of the tars from that filthy plant
Sun May 10, 2020, 12:44 PM
May 2020

Open up hospitals, bars and restaurants to vaping immediately! no secondhand smoke either

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
6. The hypothesis could cause a shortage of nicotine patches.
Sun May 10, 2020, 06:13 AM
May 2020

I haven't smoked in many years, but if my health could be ensured by a good cigar ...

planetc

(7,811 posts)
7. What does "the clinical setting" mean?
Sun May 10, 2020, 07:28 AM
May 2020

"In the laboratory" means researchers meddling with mice, but what does a clinical setting mean? The authors seem to be recommending we try it out on patients?

Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
21. I said to a smoking coworker soon after the virus...
Sun May 10, 2020, 04:16 PM
May 2020

... reached the USA, and after he said that he'd probably be among the first to die from a lung infection, "Wouldn't it be funny if the nicotine helped protect you in some way?"

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
22. 1985 study, nicotine cuts down apneic spells in sleep apnea
Sun May 10, 2020, 09:16 PM
May 2020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3965253

Reduced upper airway muscle activity may contribute to the occurrence of obstructive apneas during sleep. There is no uniformly successful treatment of these apneas, and it is possible that agents which increase upper airway muscle activity could reduce the occurrence of obstruction during sleep. Nicotine, a known stimulant of breathing, also increases the activity of muscles which dilate the upper airway proportionally more than it does ventilation. Hence, we evaluated the effect of nicotine on apneas during the first two hours of sleep in eight patients with sleep apnea syndrome. It was concluded that nicotine reduces apneas during the early hours of sleep, and this effect may be caused by its stimulating action on upper airway muscles.


Unfortunately, since nicotine is like aspirin (not patented) it is very unlikely that any drug company will invest money in studies of its efficacy as a medicine. They are more likely to tweak it, make a new molecule that can then be patented and then do studies. At least, that is what I would have said before COVID.

Opium is one of nature's wonder drugs. So is willow bark (aspirin). So is foxglove (digitalis). Maybe the first Americans were on to something when they used tobacco in an unadulterated form for medicinal purposes.


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